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00:00:16 <fizzie> 6PS has a different theme every floor, there was a poll for suggestions.
00:00:23 <shachaf> Do you have cafeterias named after command line tools?
00:00:38 <fizzie> Unfortunately people didn't like the Culture ship names, I thought that would've been nice. :/
00:01:02 <fizzie> Cafeteria names are pretty random. In 6PS we have La Place, Labyrinth and The Fold.
00:02:48 <fizzie> There's a David Bowie theme for the big semi-external tech talk spaces -- there's at least Major Tom, Aladdin Sane, Hunky Dory and Ziggy Stardust.
00:03:12 <shachaf> But for example you don't have anything like "blaze menu" (citation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9257554 )
00:04:07 <fizzie> No. I've been to Blaze though.
00:04:35 <shachaf> And to Big Table?
00:05:19 <shachaf> I can't remember whether there are any others.
00:06:18 <fizzie> I've been to the building but not sure about the cafe.
00:06:33 <shachaf> whoa whoa whoa
00:07:04 <fizzie> I think. I'm not sure I've got these numbers right.
00:07:14 <fizzie> You should have names.
00:07:32 <shachaf> Names?
00:08:04 <fizzie> Yeah, rather than just "building 40" and so on.
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00:11:32 <shachaf> I think building 40 was inherited from SGI.
00:12:23 <shachaf> I was in 2000.
00:12:32 <shachaf> Which is at 2000 Charleston Rd.
00:12:37 <shachaf> So at least it's somewhat justified?
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00:21:09 <fizzie> I'm not sure I'm too down with those street addresses either.
00:21:13 <fizzie> They seem pretty arbitrary.
00:21:35 <fizzie> I mean, there should be 49 buildings between each of 1900, 1950 and 2000.
00:21:58 <shachaf> No, the system numbers buildings by distance.
00:22:15 <shachaf> So you don't end up with build 53A etc.
00:22:40 <fizzie> Oh, I didn't know that.
00:23:17 <fizzie> I guess that's reasonable.
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00:23:40 <fizzie> Although the choice of whether to use the street number or some other number seems pretty arbitrary.
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00:24:28 <shachaf> fizzie: One thing that always annoyed me a bit is that there's no way to have an https link for something that's not at any TLD.
00:24:52 <fizzie> I'm also pretty sure 1200 Charleston Road and 1201 Charleston Road are more than 1 unit of distance from each other.
00:25:19 <fizzie> And that annoys me as well. People seem to just make them http links.
00:25:35 <shachaf> Of course they always redirect to https links.
00:25:51 <shachaf> But they might not redirect.
00:26:07 <shachaf> Or they might leak the address to someone before they redirect.
00:26:44 <shachaf> fizzie: Odd numbers on one side, even numbers on the other.
00:27:17 <fizzie> I typically try to make it a https://thing.domain.tld/foo link with "thing/foo" as the visible part, if it's a thing where ^k can do a link where what's shown is different from what it links to.
00:27:33 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_numbering#North_America
00:29:26 <shachaf> fizzie: I bet you're one of a very small number of people who do that.
00:29:57 <fizzie> So I've suspected.
00:30:00 <fizzie> Have to admit 6 Pancras Square is pretty arbitrary as well. It's a triangle-shaped block of office buildings, numbered counterclockwise starting from south 1-7.
00:31:03 <shachaf> Maybe you should put everything at a custom TLD.
00:31:08 <fizzie> And nobody seems to agree whether it's "Pancras Road" or "Pancras Square".
00:31:14 <shachaf> According to the NSA newsletter, they put things at .nsa
00:33:45 <shachaf> https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/cryptologs/assets/files/cryptolog_136.pdf
00:33:57 <shachaf> I suppose that was 20 years ago, so who knows.
00:35:52 <fizzie> I remember some place doing that, but I can't think of what it could've been, since I haven't worked at that many places.
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00:51:02 <fizzie> With the ICANN "New gTLD" project, it seems like it would be hard to have a local domain that won't suddenly become non-local.
00:51:10 <shachaf> http://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/quickfix/1/8/7/188187.jpg
00:51:16 <shachaf> good old nsa
00:51:39 <shachaf> fizzie: Yes, I was wondering about that.
00:52:46 <fizzie> We've got that .google, but I don't think there's much on it.
00:53:00 <fizzie> There's https://www.registry.google/ but that's not much.
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00:53:16 <shachaf> On the other hand com.google finally works.
00:53:25 <shachaf> For all the Java developers.
00:53:35 <oerjan> :P
00:53:54 <fizzie> Or they can do "package google.com" now.
00:54:36 <fizzie> Is the com.google thing still backwards? If I go there, I just get redirected to google.co.uk, but that might be because no-one thought of the country redirect.
00:55:00 <shachaf> It redirects to www.google.com for me.
00:55:09 <shachaf> domains.google also works, which I suppose makes sense.
00:55:11 <fizzie> Right, then it's not just me.
00:55:36 <shachaf> You should start putting everything at [redacted].google now.
00:56:02 <shachaf> Rather than [redacted].google.com
00:56:18 <fizzie> Hey, what? Does domains.google *actually* work for me now?
00:56:26 <fizzie> Previously it was all about not being available in my country.
00:56:35 <fizzie> But I think I got the complaint much earlier in the process.
00:57:02 <fizzie> No, the help thing still says: "Google Domains is currently available only for users in the US."
00:57:22 <fizzie> But it was letting me add things to cart and all.
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00:59:22 <shachaf> https://domains.google.com/registrar?s=fizzie#st=a
00:59:47 <fizzie> There's a "Billing / Legal Country" dropdown that has United States, United Kingdom and Canada.
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01:00:58 <shachaf> Sounds like those might be some top-secret international domains features you're unwittingly leaking.
01:01:13 <shachaf> But if that's the case they should be labeling them clearly in the UI.
01:02:10 <fizzie> I'm logged in with my personal gmail.com account, and using my home computer and my personal internet connection.
01:02:19 <fizzie> So if I'm leaking something, it's been pretty much leaked already.
01:03:01 <shachaf> Ah.
01:03:21 <shachaf> Must be part of the BeyondCorp effort.
01:04:03 <shachaf> @@ (@google BeyondCorp) (@eval citation)
01:04:04 <lambdabot> https://research.google.com/pubs/pub43231.html
01:05:18 <fizzie> The next level of BeyondCorp.
01:05:35 <fizzie> You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
01:07:12 <fizzie> I was in Ireland for a vacation a while back, and had booked a day bus trip, and it turned out one other person (of the about 20 or so on the tour) was a Googler from MTV working on BeyondCorp.
01:11:00 <shachaf> Recently I enabled 2-step verification for my Google account.
01:11:57 <shachaf> But I was worried about the case where I'm traveling, and my computer, phone, and wallet all get stolen.
01:12:05 <shachaf> And I need to access my Google account.
01:12:09 <shachaf> What do you think I should do?
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01:14:35 <shachaf> What I decided to do was memorize two backup codes.
01:14:46 <shachaf> I made a monthly calendar appointment to make sure that I still remember them.
01:15:15 <fizzie> You could implant a Yubikey.
01:16:00 <shachaf> They don't make compact type-C Yubikeys yet, I think.
01:16:10 <shachaf> Once they do that it could be a reasonable solution.
01:16:32 <shachaf> Since USB type C is forever.
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01:18:07 <fizzie> The latest Lenovo Carbon X1 rehash has USB type C for power, I think.
01:18:23 <shachaf> Oh, too good.
01:18:29 <shachaf> I think my Dell XPS 15 also supports that.
01:18:39 <shachaf> But I don't have anything that can charge it.
01:18:49 <shachaf> I could try the official Apple adapter next time I'm near an Apple store.
01:18:52 <shachaf> I think that's 87W.
01:19:38 <shachaf> The standard allows up to 100W.
01:19:48 <fizzie> "-- two Thunderbolt 3 / USB-C ports alongside two classic USB-A ports. And the X1 Carbon charges via USB-C too --"
01:20:25 <shachaf> My laptop is my only computer, so I prefer it to be a high-end computer.
01:20:34 <fizzie> If it comes with a charger, maybe I can charge my phones with it REAL FAST.
01:21:07 <fizzie> Presumably it's gotta lotta watts.
01:21:46 <fizzie> I thought we were all supposed to be using those supercapacitors already anyway.
01:22:11 <shachaf> To power our memristors?
01:23:04 <fizzie> And the superconductors.
01:25:43 <shachaf> Google sells https://store.google.com/product/universal_type_c_60w_charger
01:26:44 <shachaf> We're so far in the future that I can plug my phone into my computer and choose to charge my computer from my phone.
01:26:53 <shachaf> Of course nothing seems to happen when I do that.
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01:27:19 <shachaf> Maybe I should plug two phones into each other.
01:27:20 <fizzie> http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/itemdetails/4X20E75131/460/B5F03F2D7A74472998C11037ACE71BFB has only three quarters of the watts.
01:27:43 <shachaf> http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MNF82LL/A/87w-usb-c-power-adapter is where it's at
01:27:50 <shachaf> Except Apple apparently rates it at 3/5 stars.
01:30:10 <shachaf> The standard allows for 100W but I can't find a single 100W charger for sale.
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02:00:26 <zzo38> Do you know why it seem that with OpenGL, the textures with only one or two channel is not working properly?
02:01:33 <shachaf> I do not.
02:02:07 <zzo38> When it is only red, the data reads back entirely black. When it is red and green, the red channel reads properly but the green channel you will read back the same data as the red channel, instead of the data put into the green channel.
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02:33:28 <shachaf> @time fizzie
02:33:28 <lambdabot> Local time for fizzie is Sat Feb 11 02:33:28 2017
02:33:30 <shachaf> fizzie: Good night.
02:35:00 <fizzie> Nighty-night.
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03:09:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Drift]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50904&oldid=50894 * Hsorenson * (+258)
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03:16:29 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Drift]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50907&oldid=50906 * Hsorenson * (+1) /* User Input */
03:21:57 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50908&oldid=50897 * Alexander-liao * (+262)
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03:55:28 <zzo38> Another way to make a poker game can be, each player gets one rebuy, but it is free, and it doesn't expire. There is no other rebuy allowed.
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04:27:47 <zzo38> Another variant can be involving a few of the features of One Poker. (Do you know how to do One Poker?)
04:37:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Drift]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50912&oldid=50911 * Hsorenson * (-8)
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06:47:50 <shachaf> copumpkin: Can you believe people still do things like "apt-get install" and "apt-get remove" to configure what's installed on their system?
06:47:53 <shachaf> What a mess.
06:49:56 <zzo38> I have not have problem with doing that, although sometimes it can help to use the interactive mode.
06:50:26 <shachaf> What it should be is that you edit a file or something that describes what configuration you want your system to be in.
06:50:38 <shachaf> Then you run one command and it puts your system in the desired state.
06:50:56 <shachaf> Nix does that, more or less. But it also does a lot of other things.
06:53:03 <zzo38> I have actually thought of something similar too, where you can set which packages the system root package depends on, and then those ones are going to be installed, but also involved many other things in this my idea too.
07:35:27 <zzo38> What do you think of it?
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08:10:02 <izabera> http://i.imgur.com/7pDd67x.gif
08:12:20 * izabera proud
08:12:45 <zzo38> What are you posting it for?
08:12:59 <izabera> for you to enjoy
08:14:03 <zzo38> O, OK.
08:14:42 <zzo38> But, perhaps you should explain it? I can see it is a Go game, but that is about all, which is why I ask.
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09:15:50 <izabera> after e3, if white doesn't answer black can capture f3-f2 and g1-h1-h2
09:16:11 <izabera> so white answers in e2, threatening to capture e3
09:16:28 <izabera> e3 runs away in d3, now e3-d3 has 3 liberties
09:16:55 <izabera> white takes away one with d2, threatening to capture soon
09:17:12 <izabera> now g1-h1-h2 has 2 liberties, f1 takes away one
09:17:37 <izabera> white saves the three stones by capturing f1 with e1
09:17:53 <izabera> h3 brings g1-h1-h2 down to one liberty again
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09:18:20 <izabera> if white fills in and connect at f1, the whole group has only two liberties in d1 and c2
09:18:43 <izabera> and black will do c2 next and kill the whole thing
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12:51:17 <boily> `wisdom
12:51:19 <HackEgo> pokemon//A pokemon is a monster that you keep in your pocket. Taneb invented them.
12:51:34 <boily> TAAAANEEEEBMOOOON ♪♪♪
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13:17:44 <rdococ> `wisdom
13:17:45 <HackEgo> alphabet//Alphabet is a system of writing invented by Google.
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13:17:51 <rdococ> not Taneb?
13:18:01 <rdococ> the google alphabet
13:18:04 <rdococ> g o l e
13:18:56 <boily> rdochelloc. Taneb doesn't invent anything that has been invented. he is powerful enough as he is.
13:19:00 <boily> `wisdom
13:19:01 <HackEgo> ocean//The Pacific Ocean is half the world and surrounded by fire. The Atlantic Ocean is less cool than its giant underwater mountain range. The Arctic Ocean is cold. The Indian Ocean is full of typhoons and non-Eurocentric shipping.
13:20:24 <rdococ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfluous_man oh, so like teenagers
13:20:59 <rdococ> boily, I still don't get it
13:21:01 <rdococ> `wisdom
13:21:02 <HackEgo> rho//Rho is the Greek letter that represents the mind, and thus psychology is called rho science. Today's reductionists consider the mind obsolete, and prefer to study new rho science.
13:21:14 <rdococ> lol
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13:28:05 <boily> `wisdom
13:28:06 <HackEgo> dynamic-unwind//dynamic-unwind is just like dynamic-wind except that it's a different sort of weather.
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14:10:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Billiards]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50913&oldid=50909 * Alexander-liao * (+3745) Added in specs
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15:21:57 <mroman> elo'
15:22:11 <mroman> http://codepad.org/440emx8m <- blsq got a fancy mode
15:22:46 <mroman> of course - it's implemented in the most hackish blsq way
15:22:56 <mroman> scopes reside on the regular secondary stack
15:30:57 <boily> mrello'man!
15:34:51 <oerjan> bafternooily
15:35:16 <alercah> boily: \o
15:35:28 <alercah> demahjongain!
15:43:10 <boily> bon matørjan!
15:43:44 <boily> hellorcah! effectivemahjong demain!
16:07:16 <int-e> uh, are they still doing that?
16:08:06 <int-e> (I would hope that at least the english variants always work, but perhaps I'm hoping for too much. This is Microsoft's Office department we're talking about.)
16:08:51 <oerjan> presumably they're stored internally in an independent format...
16:10:38 <boily> using LibreOffice Calc in French, and English functions do not work.
16:11:08 * boily marmonne quelques explétifs bien choisis
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16:38:58 <mroman> yeah
16:39:10 <mroman> that's the dumbest design decision in Calc.
16:39:11 <mroman> well
16:39:13 <mroman> one of the dumbest.
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16:51:15 <zzo38> I think that can cause various problem and they shouldn't do like that. Maybe you can file a bug report or to fix it yourself? The functions should always be American regardless of the language of the menus and documentation and the rest of the GUI, in my opinion.
16:52:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Betaload]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50914&oldid=50581 * Challenger5 * (-50)
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17:27:16 <boily> time to test a soup.
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17:53:25 <Zarutian> boily: a soupervison, eh?
17:55:20 <\oren\> I prefer gnumeric
17:56:08 <\oren\> xubuntu comes with gnumeric and abiwrod
17:58:19 <\oren\> of course, really I would prefer a terminal-based spreadsheet
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18:00:25 <\oren\> I should write one
18:00:53 <\oren\> and maybe also a terminal-based rich text editor
18:01:14 <myname> there arenterminal based soreadsheets
18:01:33 <myname> -typtypos
18:01:45 <myname> well ...
18:02:13 <myname> iirc there even is a 3d spreadsheet software for the terminal
18:02:18 <myname> st or the like
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18:06:21 <\oren\> Hmm, actually, first I want to write a better text editor
18:06:33 <myname> kakoune is interesting
18:08:31 <\oren\> I would find it interesting if I was into the whole modal interface thing
18:09:17 <myname> why aren't you?
18:09:43 <\oren\> because I prefer to have things like save, copy etc on function keys
18:10:11 <\oren\> I have F1-F12 on my keyboard, all of those should do useful things
18:10:42 <myname> just define it as that
18:11:31 <myname> at least in vim it should be fairly easy to map f1 to something like "go to normal mode, :w, go back to whatever mode previously was used"
18:22:31 <\oren\> putting some function into a mode other than insert, to me, is like hiding it in a menu
18:22:58 <\oren\> the most important functions should all be accessible seamlessly from the insert mode
18:23:54 <myname> i disagree, i am only in insert mode if i actually want to insert something
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18:24:12 <myname> limit myself to that is bogus
18:24:25 <\oren\> but myname, insertign things is the most common operation
18:25:35 <myname> not by that much
18:30:06 <\oren\> i suppose there's also appending things and deleting things
18:30:29 <\oren\> all of which is done from insert mode
18:44:08 <myname> deleting things is not done from insert mode
18:50:02 <L3viathan> you _can_ do everything from insert mode, but then why use vim at all
18:50:20 <L3viathan> The idea is that you spend as much time as possible outside of insert mode
18:51:47 <L3viathan> and you don
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18:52:15 <L3viathan> 't even need to exit insert mode to save with a mapping; inoremap <F1> <c-o>:w<cr>
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18:56:24 <\oren\> I use alt-: to go to ed mode
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19:51:00 <rdococ> is there a Logisim for quantum computing?
19:51:17 <rdococ> a simple visualization sandbox would be very helpful. I learn best by experimenting.
19:51:42 <rdococ> found one
20:09:35 <mroman> zzo38: that won't work.
20:09:40 <mroman> french hate english
20:09:50 <mroman> so french office people don't want to input formulas in english.
20:10:17 <mroman> but you should just store it as english or number and then translate for display
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20:34:41 <wob_jonas> Re spreadsheets: translated function names is bad, yes, but it's not the worst part.
20:35:12 <wob_jonas> I'm more bothered by the convenience functions present in Excel but not in LibreOfice
20:35:44 <wob_jonas> like R1C1 addressing (or S1O1 addressing in translated version), double-clicking on cell boundary or control-arrow to go to the next cell with a different filled/unfilled status,
20:35:53 <wob_jonas> scroll lock to scroll the window, etc.
20:35:58 <myname> the funniest point of translated functions are translated argument separators
20:36:10 <wob_jonas> myname: yes, that too
20:36:31 <wob_jonas> semicolon for argument separator, backslash for concatenation
20:36:35 <myname> like, in english you do foo(bar,baz), in german you do foo(bar;baz)
20:36:54 <myname> even IF they have the same name, they just break by that
20:37:15 <wob_jonas> But these days you can just use the English version.
20:37:42 <wob_jonas> It's not like twenty years ago when you had Hungarian Excel installer on five floppies or something, and that's it, you're stuck with that language.
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