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01:49:24 <quintopia> hppavilion[1]: shapr is a male human with an interest in concatenative languages and unicycling
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01:51:57 <quintopia> hppavilion[1]: shachaf knows shapr quite well hth
01:53:48 <shachaf> We talked on the phone once.
01:54:18 <quintopia> hey thats at least as well as i know boily
01:54:41 <oerjan> quintopia: hm it sounds like shapr is not easily distinguishable from Taneb
01:55:09 <shachaf> i never talked to Taneb on the phone hth
01:55:10 <quintopia> oerjan: that both have five letter names with "a" in
01:55:29 <shachaf> Also shapr is Swedish from Alabama and Taneb is Dutch from Northumberland
01:55:39 <oerjan> shachaf: well how do you know then that they're not the same
01:55:56 <shachaf> Except I guess shapr isn't Swedish.
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02:48:48 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Unlambda]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51369&oldid=51368 * Oerjan * (+19) /* Number I/O */ Remove a Deadfish-specific part
02:50:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Unlambda]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51370&oldid=51369 * Oerjan * (-19) /* Number I/O */ Oops, left in a temporary comment
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04:21:39 <sirnaysayer> Gregor is the name of this hot daddy bear that I banged for a while
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04:54:23 <\oren\> http://www.bmj.com/content/331/7531/1498
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05:02:11 <Challenger5> I want to make a variation of Forth, but with like Lisp's reader macros
05:02:59 <Challenger5> so you can define a macro sequence of characters that run some function
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05:09:23 <zzo38> How is that working? Can you explain it more? I don't know Lisp so well
05:11:03 <Challenger5> I don't really understand how they're implemented, but basically you can bind a certain function to a character, and when the reader encounters that character it will run the function, and the output of that function is whatever that expression is replaced with
05:12:23 <Challenger5> For example, `'` is just a macro character that reads an object and replaces it with `(quote object)`, so it's really just syntactic sugar.
05:16:35 <Challenger5> The helpful thing there is that it would eliminate the special case the Forth has of numbers: if it can't find a function it will try to parse the word as a number and push it to the stack
05:17:38 <Challenger5> Instead of just writing the number, you'd write `#n` and the `#` would be a macro sequence that took the rest of the word and parsed it as a number
05:18:49 <Challenger5> So that way you could make nice syntactic sugar like string literals
05:19:02 <Challenger5> as well as just getting a huge mass of unreadable characters, which is really what this is about.
05:22:28 <Challenger5> i$I^G>NaSr3B/n%o:F/.l!DpDy5{}r+_sFY<?r`<McA>RfrfySmW:~2" (Hint: I like seedrandom)
05:25:49 <zzo38> I think there are Forth implementations that are capable of this.
05:26:08 <Challenger5> What, being an unreadable mass of characters?
05:26:22 <zzo38> No, I mean parsing single characters
05:27:39 <Challenger5> I was actually thinking about this language until I realized it was just Forth
05:28:03 <Challenger5> So I figured I would add the macro sequences but apparently Forth already took that idea as well?
05:29:32 <zzo38> Even Forth implementations that can't parse single characters will usually havea way to implement a different parser, so that you could do it anyways
05:31:59 <Challenger5> I guess that my language isn't that original anymore then. But I shouldn't feel to bad about it, because by that logic any programming language is just a variation on Forth with some extra parsing rules.
05:35:05 <Challenger5> On a different note, could someone help me understand how a tag system is Turing complete? Because it makes no sense to me.
05:37:31 <Challenger5> Anyways, from what I can tell, Forth is the "make a new stack-based language and whoops - that's just an extension of Forth" sort of thing.
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14:08:03 <shapr> quintopia: you called?
14:08:19 <oerjan> . o O ( a wild shapr appears )
14:08:53 <oerjan> hi. quintopia seems idle.
14:09:11 <HackEgo> shapr: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
14:09:23 <shapr> HackEgo: are you a bot?
14:09:34 <oerjan> we were discussing whether you counted as an esoterician yesterday.
14:10:01 <HackEgo> HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. HackEgo is the slowest bot in all Mexico!
14:10:59 <oerjan> fungot: say hello to shapr
14:11:00 <fungot> oerjan: she likes many voices is it??
14:11:40 <fungot> https://github.com/fis/fungot/blob/master/fungot.b98
14:11:59 <oerjan> and a few other things.
14:12:57 <oerjan> that was supposed to be a whois
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14:14:51 <oerjan> !zjoust pathetic (>)*9([-]>[+]>)*-1
14:14:52 <zemhill___> oerjan.pathetic: points -8.67, score 13.09, rank 39/47 (+7)
14:15:17 <oerjan> the hill is all messed up, there's no way i would have got on with that in olden days.
14:16:27 <oerjan> but someone made a program that beat absolutely every competitor every time, which messes up the scoring.
14:17:15 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch [<output-file>] <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
14:18:16 <oerjan> (the competitors that were there when it was entered, that is)
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14:21:36 <shapr> hoi tromp, hoe gaat het?
14:22:04 <shapr> and owns the lambda playground
14:22:11 <shapr> and wrote one of the zcash implementations
14:22:25 <Taneb> I should learn Dutch
14:22:41 <shapr> I learned Swedish, but I suggest learning one of the A languages
14:23:05 <oerjan> i know about his lambda calculus and cryptocoin stuff, i just had no idea he was dutch...
14:23:35 <oerjan> Albanian is the hot stuff
14:23:45 <shapr> I'd guess tromp is a US Citizen by now.
14:27:12 <tromp> hi, shapr! enjoying my semi-retirement
14:27:32 <tromp> i'm still a Dutch citizen
14:27:42 <tromp> looking to move back there
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14:45:37 <shapr> tromp: oh that's exciting
14:45:47 <shapr> tromp: you've retired from coding and finance?
14:46:21 <tromp> from financial coding
14:46:48 <tromp> i code for fun now
14:50:38 <shapr> tromp: are you still in the northeast US? I haven't had the chance to meet you.
14:51:37 <tromp> yes, halfway out on Long Island
14:52:09 <shapr> I'm in Atlanta these days, but I'm planning to spend some time in Boston this summer.
14:53:51 <tromp> i was in Boston last summer
14:53:54 <tromp> for the Go congress
14:55:38 <APic> Atlantis > Atlanta
15:02:12 <oerjan> APic: not by altitude hth
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16:08:49 <shachaf> shapr: i believe oerjan was the one who summoned you hth
16:09:32 <oerjan> does that do anything outside the channel?
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16:57:51 <shachaf> Maybe shapr doesn't want to be repeatedly gotten like this.
16:59:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Diagde * New user account
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17:19:33 <HackEgo> keemyb: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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17:30:30 <rdococ> that's it. I'm brainstorming an idea for a new data type.
17:31:22 <rdococ> what about a map that maps other data types to yet other data types
17:32:35 <shachaf> please don't unknown-command
17:33:22 <shachaf> Taneb: Why should you learn Dutch?
17:33:47 <Taneb> shachaf, connect to my roots, you know
17:34:09 <Taneb> Also I plan to apply for Dutch citizenship soon and I'd feel bad if I was Dutch but didn't speak it
17:34:28 <Taneb> If I were a polynomial I'd be aiming to be a polyglot polynomial
17:34:39 <shachaf> What sort of polynomial has Dutch as one of its roots?
17:34:53 <Taneb> One over a Tulip field
17:35:44 <shachaf> So polynomials are just elements of a free commutative ring, right?
17:37:09 <shachaf> I guess I should learn Dutch too.
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17:50:05 <shapr> shachaf: ik begrijp het niet!
17:50:12 <shapr> Taneb: you screamt?
17:50:37 <shapr> shapr was at lunch :-P
17:51:38 <shachaf> shapr: Remember that one time we talked on the phone?
17:54:11 <shapr> shachaf: yes, but that was quite some years ago
17:54:25 <shachaf> It can't have been before 2010.
18:00:47 <shachaf> I know some people who weren't even born in 2010. :-(
18:06:03 <Taneb> There might even be people in here born after 2010!
18:06:16 <Taneb> > product [1..2010]
18:06:20 <lambdabot> 3490380374904297188514041562858679236982859710215692384413885363149640928606...
18:06:31 <shachaf> > logBase 10 (product [1..2010])
18:06:59 <shachaf> > sum [logBase 10 x | x <- [1..2010]]
18:08:41 <shapr> I started coding before some of my coworkers were born.
18:09:19 <shapr> Taneb: are you born?
18:09:24 <Taneb> I certainly hope s
18:10:26 <HackEgo> Taneb is not elliott, no matter whom you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of nine genders, one of which is a Czech woman, and above average, not too voluminous, but calm eyebrows. He sometimes invents without noticing it (see: tanebventions).
18:10:32 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex.
18:11:09 <shachaf> `learn shapr is anonymouse.
18:11:12 <HackEgo> Learned 'shapr': shapr is anonymouse.
18:11:35 * APic died once and was revived
18:12:01 <shapr> does not sound fun
18:13:02 <shapr> APic: are you an advanced programmable interrupt controller?
18:14:02 <APic> Also my Realname
18:14:06 <APic> Andreas Pickart
18:14:11 <APic> So i am a schizophrenic Cyborg
18:14:26 <HackEgo> Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms.
18:14:41 <HackEgo> If this sentence is true, then Taneb invented Curry's paradox.
18:14:46 <HackEgo> Algebraic geometry is so complicated that Taneb had to take an exam in it before he could invent it.
18:15:08 <rdococ> taneb should stop venting things
18:15:11 <HackEgo> String diagrams would be useful in category theory, except they're unreadable due to being curled up in tiny dimensions. Taneb invented them anyhow.
18:15:19 <shapr> APic: hi! My real name is Shae Erisson
18:15:34 <HackEgo> complex numbers? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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18:15:47 <shapr> I am known for ... uh, starting #haskell and writing simple.ino in AdaFruit's NeoPixel examples.
18:16:06 <shapr> I'm not sure if I'm know for anything else.
18:16:25 <shapr> and knitting things and putting lights on them
18:16:27 <shapr> and speaking Swedish
18:16:36 <shapr> even though I'm from Alabama
18:18:32 * APic learned Haskell more than a Year ago, but have almost completely forgotten it again by now
18:18:51 * APic knows the Languages best that he learned as Child/Adolescent
18:19:05 <shachaf> Is #haskell a shaprvention?
18:19:07 <APic> BASIC, C, x86 Assembly, C++
18:19:23 <APic> (C++ not really anymore since it got so bloated)
18:19:25 <shapr> shachaf: nah, it's a community now
18:20:12 <APic> But i can code in any Language like Perl, Python, Ruby, AWK, Shell, … after a very short While of Preoccupation
18:20:35 <APic> But it is most Fun for me to code in Plain C11
18:21:56 <APic> Know that one too
18:22:06 <APic> You see it on my public .plan
18:22:16 <APic> http://apic.name/Plan.html
18:22:28 * APic wants to write an LLVM-Backend for Brainfuck
18:22:38 <APic> http://c2bf.SVN.SourceForge.Net/svn
18:22:40 <APic> root/brainfuck/c2bf/trunk
18:22:58 <APic> ← already very great
18:23:43 <APic> http://c2bf.SVN.SourceForge.Net/svnroot/brainfuck/c2bf/trunk ← already very great i meant
18:24:00 <APic> Accidentally split it while Pasting 😎
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20:32:47 <fizzie> Sgeo_: I gave that as an example of a "real botloop" here.
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20:58:51 <shachaf> any olsnerventions lately?
20:59:56 <olsner> been working on sedition off-and-on, an optimizing sed to-be-compiler (so far just interpreter though)
21:00:28 <olsner> it also adds sockets and threads to sed
21:01:36 <olsner> ##:D and smilebot are also olsnerventions
21:02:04 <shachaf> you have a lot of olsnerve
21:02:22 <HackEgo> `sled <filename>//<sed script>
21:04:35 <olsner> shachaf: olsnerve? how so?
21:07:48 <olsner> sedition got annoying to work on when I realized my fancy hoopl optimization code was broken
21:10:07 <lambdabot> shapr says: [Regarding Hudak's so-called 'Gentle' introduction] Yeah, the mental brickbat of doom is a bit closer.
21:13:42 <HackEgo> lambdabot: @@ @@ (@where weather) CYUL ENVA ESSB KOAK PAMR
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21:13:46 <lambdabot> 22018G32KT \ ESSB 142050Z 24011KT 9999 FEW021 07/03 Q1004 R30/19//58 \ KOAK 142053Z 29008KT 10SM FEW200 24/13 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP174 T02440128 58008 \ PAMR 142053Z 34018G24KT 10SM CLR M06/M19 A2948
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21:14:11 <int-e> . o O ( The trick is to print it on very soft paper. )
21:17:34 <int-e> I really should do some lambdabot hacking :/
21:18:31 <int-e> But somehow there's so little time left between research and games.
21:18:59 <shapr> I've done too much lambdabot hacking
21:19:37 <int-e> well you're not one of the current maintainers, so there's a tiny differenc ;-)
21:19:46 <int-e> (emphasis on "current", obviously)
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21:36:42 <\oren\> One of the transport trucks involved in the collision on Highway 401 was carrying a hazardous material that could turn into hydrofluoric acid if exposed to heat,
21:36:47 <\oren\> "The transport was carrying 14,000 litres of the liquid, most of which has leaked, the report said"
21:36:52 <\oren\> what's the blast radius of 14 tons of hydrofluoric acid?
21:38:59 <pikhq> Not much; HFl doesn't explode.
21:39:26 <pikhq> It's profoundly dangerous, but in a different way.
21:40:47 <\oren\> I hope being 300 km from the spill is enough
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21:41:17 <\oren\> but it's probably going to go into the lake, so...
21:41:30 <\oren\> they won't need to fluoridate our water anymore
21:41:54 <\oren\> ("the lake" being Lake Ontario btw)
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21:47:17 <int-e> (I was thinking of HF as a gas, not as a solution in water. The latter is also nasty though. http://patientsafetyauthority.org/ADVISORIES/AdvisoryLibrary/2006/Jun3(2)/Pages/11.aspx is interesting but also potentially disturbing.)
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21:54:14 <olsner> looks like HF was the subject of the very first "things I won't work with" post, http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2004/03/03/things_i_wont_touch_1
22:08:38 <\oren\> ok apparently it's a refrigerant that breaks down into HF when heated
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23:29:44 <fizzie> Bhrr, that's going to be a downgrade.
23:31:40 <boily> fizziello. going back home?
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23:44:21 <boily> hppavellon[1]. are you snowed too, in your Faraway Lands?
23:47:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Charliefoxtrot * New user account
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