00:01:04 <oerjan> <hppavilion[1]> This is the most delightful wikipedia redirect ever: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_one_with_the_whales&redirect=no <-- that was exactly what i expected :)
00:01:53 <oerjan> (admittedly i'm biased from reading a certain dmm comic)
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00:37:16 <adu> hppavilion[1]!
00:59:49 <adu> hppavilion[1]: I figured out the secret of the universe, and everything
01:02:06 <adu> hppavilion[1]: I actually, don't know, I just wanted to see if you were awake, but now that I think about it, it probably is related to isomorphism
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01:35:18 * Zarutian advards adu an holistic fractal self similiar view.
01:40:11 <adu> Zarutian: ok
01:42:42 <Zarutian> it is a bit like being inside an mirror box made out of fun house mirrors convoluted by something like Koch curve
01:50:49 <adu> or a Klein bottle
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03:43:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Dpleshkov]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=51376 * Dpleshkov * (+80) Created page with "Hi! Welcome to my profile page. Here are my esolangs: * [Tick] * [MiniBitMove]"
03:44:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Dpleshkov]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51377&oldid=51376 * Dpleshkov * (+4)
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06:51:36 <HackEgo> #esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's a 7-codimensional hyperenchilada about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. Currently located in the Atlantis Exclusion Zone.
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07:43:21 <hppavilion[0]> Is it reasonable to make a compassing system with 3 cardinal directions?
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09:08:56 <Cale> hppavilion[1]: Which three directions?
09:09:31 <hppavilion[1]> Cale: Let's go with 60°, 120°, and 240° (based the NORMAL way, not the compass way)
09:09:36 <Cale> If you keep your compass steady at any direction other than N, S, E, W, you travel along a curve which isn't a great circle
09:10:11 <Cale> It's a loxodrome
09:10:28 <hppavilion[1]> New rule: Instead of "clockwise" and "counterclockwise", we have "countermathwise" and "mathwise"
09:10:49 <Cale> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhumb_line
09:18:28 <Jafet> also the curve that maps to a straight line on a mercator map
09:22:53 <shachaf> I thought there was an entry.
09:23:31 <Jafet> not to be confused with ale
09:24:32 <erkin> New rule: Instead of "clockwise" and "anticlockwise," we have "countermathswise" and "mathswise."
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10:23:34 <hppavilion[1]> When thumbs up is wrong, thumbs down is wrong, and not voting at all is wrong.
10:25:08 <erkin> When you press it, one person loses their thumb on each side.
10:28:09 <hppavilion[1]> erkin: As I put it: "A \"This video is exempt from the standard rating scale for the same reason banana cream pies are exempt from shark population surveys\" button, if you will."
10:28:36 * erkin wants a shark population survey
10:28:43 * erkin however does not like shark popular survey
10:28:49 <hppavilion[1]> Example use case btw: https://youtu.be/lQlIhraqL7o
10:31:32 <quintopia> u crazy? all lonely island songs call for a thumbs up.
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10:38:52 <int-e> not voting at all is always right
10:40:30 <int-e> (on websites. voting in elections is right but mostly futile.)
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10:44:07 <HackEgo> itidus19//itidus19 disappeared into a space-time anomaly
10:44:39 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: '´¨`'´: not found
10:45:03 <Jafet> (are there election systems where not voting can be preferred?)
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10:53:48 <boily> `relcome h0rsep0wer
10:53:49 <HackEgo> h0rsep0wer: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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10:56:19 <Jafet> apparently it's called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participation_criterion
10:59:51 <Jafet> but not quite; that article only covers honest votes, not tactical ones
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11:12:10 <boily> quinthellopia! you're morning!
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11:13:49 <Robdgreat> Jafet: the only way to win is not to play?
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11:40:15 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Kamish * New user account
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12:50:34 <int-e> HackEgo: are you compliant with CaC's new ToS?
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12:52:44 <oerjan> ahmed the dead cthulhuist?
13:00:17 <int-e> uhuh. "8.2 All fees are subject to change at CloudatCost' discretion."
13:03:57 <int-e> Okay, this is the killer. "9.18 Customers with a onetime payment service are subject to an annual maintenance fee of $9 which will be invoiced 12 months after using our service."
13:04:53 <Jafet> I guess their costs changed
13:06:25 <int-e> well the cost model they had was unsustainable. However, the way that they make this change is borderline fraudulent.
13:07:39 <int-e> I mean, http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/cac_tos.png
13:07:49 <int-e> no, there is no summary of changes anywhere.
13:12:49 <fizzie> int-e: Ooh, that's quite a thing.
13:17:33 <fizzie> I note their main website still proudly proclaims "$X/one time".
13:18:52 <fizzie> Not much chatter about that new fee, though I did manage to find a page in Chinese. Fortunately, Google Translate does an impeccable job on this.
13:19:00 <fizzie> "6666, fattened the open to kill the. The It is also drunk about $ 9 for the garbage machine"
13:19:12 <fizzie> "His home before there are so many 3.5 knife lifetime VPS to sell electricity to pay it"
13:19:18 <fizzie> "Convinced, but not into the spicy chicken"
13:19:27 <int-e> 8470 words of new ToS... how many people, do you think, actually read that?
13:20:08 <oerjan> that is indeed impeccable.
13:20:25 <fizzie> Think I'll go get some spicy chicken.
13:21:27 <int-e> they also say they'll shut down your server if it uses 100% CPU for continuously 30 minutes (one of three criteria, the other two are based on packets per second and iops)
13:23:23 <oerjan> <fizzie> I note their main website still proudly proclaims "$X/one time". <-- you'd think that would be fraudulent, at least.
13:27:57 <int-e> cute. "19.10 This Agreement has been drawn up in the English language at the express request of the parties."
13:28:46 <int-e> And how is that even legally possible: 20.1 The terms of this Agreement, including fees, charges, features, content or any other aspects of a Service, may change at any time and without prior notice. The Customer is responsible for frequently reviewing this Agreement posted on CloudatCost' web site to obtain timely notice of any such changes.
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13:35:51 <Jafet> its legality doesn't really matter
13:36:14 <Jafet> anyone who doesn't like the charges is just going to do a chargeback and cancel the service
13:36:36 <Jafet> as for the features and content, every site reserves the right to change them anyway
13:37:02 <int-e> I mean the change of terms without notification part
13:37:06 <int-e> I don't care about the rest.
13:37:20 <Jafet> I think I've dealt with a bank that had such terms
13:37:49 <int-e> And I think that's illegal in Europe, but of course they are Canadian...
13:38:17 <int-e> And obviously I'm not going to litigate over this so it doesn't really matter whether it's legal or not.
13:41:34 <int-e> But really, they should be required to send out an email for changes to their ToS, with a human readable diff. It's not like that would cause them significant extra work...
13:42:55 <Jafet> well, some people might not notice $9 on their financial statements
13:43:04 <Jafet> by some people, I meant most people
13:44:10 <Jafet> also, they are probably not concerned about european law, seeing as their front page seems to say nothing about cookies
13:45:30 <Jafet> ok, I tried brute-forcing small instant-runoff, borda and copeland elections and none of them has an election where you can only influence the result by not voting
13:46:28 <Jafet> (copeland elections always give condorcet winners, so presumably this applies to all condorcet systems)
13:47:10 <Jafet> (influence the result: change who wins, but not produce ties)
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14:18:29 <_11> frame that above your bed, Taneb
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15:08:13 <\oren\> In today's XKCD we learn that randall is a heretic who likes stawberry better than cherry
15:08:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Itflabtijtslwi]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51378&oldid=42447 * Oerjan * (+500) /* External resources */ Hacked up an online interpreter
15:18:37 <oerjan> itym "yesterday's" hth
15:18:59 <oerjan> also he likes lemon better than popcorn, yuck
15:26:28 <oerjan> hm our spam filter caught someone writing only in russian (except for the language name) but clearly esolanging
15:26:36 <Cale> Maybe he's thinking of jellybeans
15:26:50 <Cale> But it doesn't say jellybeans
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17:53:23 <rdococ> I'm working on a new language which should be called "3-cell Brainfuck" but for some reason isn't.
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17:55:11 <rdococ> It has three variables, but you can only loop in one of them. Of course, it's probably not too hard to swap variables.
17:55:37 <shapr> Sounds a bit like TIS-100
17:55:56 <shachaf> I should continue jamming that jam.
17:56:16 <shapr> I very much enjoy TIS-100
17:56:32 <shapr> and if anyone wants to add me on steam, I'm shaeerisson or shapr, I can never tell which one will work.
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18:22:15 <rdococ> I'm trying to find BF code for multiplication of two numbers that only uses 3 cells... is such a thing possible?
18:43:22 <\oren\> rdococ: non-destructive?
18:45:50 <\oren\> I think you need at least 4
18:46:14 <\oren\> even destructive I think you still need 4
18:50:00 <\oren\> first attempt: C[-]D[-][[C+D+B-][B+C-]A-] should give D = A * B
18:51:57 <\oren\> the main problem is that you can't add a cell to another cell and keep the original cell
18:52:34 <\oren\> oh wait. lookup table in code could be used
18:52:53 <\oren\> (assuming non-bignum cells)
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19:19:49 <rdococ> "Ørjan Johansen has made a conversion from iterated Collatz functions to 3-cell brainfuck (see that page for details)."
19:33:03 <\oren\> collatz functions are multiplying and dividing by numbers known ahead of time
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22:03:51 <hppavilion[1]> Maybe it's the plural of "Agendum", which is nothing now?
22:08:09 <hppavilion[1]> I should learn latin so I understand what's going on with etymology.
22:11:00 <pikhq> Which is a little like converting to Zen Buddhism so you can learn Sanskrit.
22:24:43 <Zarutian> I thought you had to become a Hindu?
22:25:21 <pikhq> Buddhism also has substantial texts in Sanskrit, and several Sanskrit texts only exist in Zen Buddhist transcriptions over in Tibet or China.
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22:58:09 <HackEgo> steam sale//A steam sale is when money is heated to such high temperatures it evaporates and then condenses into games you will never play.
22:58:34 <fizzie> PCFGs are a thing, at least.
22:58:56 <pikhq> ITYM エイチ・パヴィリオン［一］
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23:46:19 <HackEgo> pizza//Pizza is a kind of rhubarb pie made without rhubarb.
23:46:33 <boily> Chicago style best style.
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23:49:10 <hppavilion[1]> It's now in this channel. Only one command can be used by anybody, though (~/bot.test <arg>)
23:49:33 <AdvBot> hppavilion[1]: You have successfully tested with the argument: walrus
23:49:43 <boily> ~/ bot.test fungot
23:49:44 <fungot> boily: but you have to use java, and python over anything else for some reason.
23:49:44 <AdvBot> boily: You have successfully tested with the argument: fungot
23:49:44 <AdvBot> hppavilion[1]: You have successfully tested with the argument: pizze is the plural of pizza
23:49:44 <fungot> AdvBot: but if you write
23:50:05 <AdvBot> hppavilion[1]: Hehe, boobies
23:50:18 <boily> not quite botloppy, but it's a start!
23:50:30 <hppavilion[1]> boily: Oh yeah, I'll have to add anti-botlop, won't I?
23:50:33 * boily merrily thwacks hppavilion[1]
23:50:49 <boily> nah, botlops are life.
23:51:34 <hppavilion[1]> (I don't think there's any way for it to botlop yet, because it can never start a message with arbitrary characters. In fact, it always targets whoever triggered it, but it can't be triggered by its own nick)
23:52:01 <hppavilion[1]> (...actually, it should trigger on its own nick. I distinctly remember putting that in the code. Something's not right.)
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23:59:35 <AdvBot> hppavilion[1]: Successfully granted hppavilion[1] the `inv.read` permission
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