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01:07:30 <HackEgo> Your omnipotent principled tyrant oerjan the excessive is a lazy expert in mercury computation. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
01:07:53 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your omnipotent principled tyrant oerjan the excisive is a lazy expert in mercury computation. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
01:10:09 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your omnipotent principled tyrant oerjan the excisive is a lazy expert in mercury computation. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
01:10:42 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your omnipotent principal tyrant oerjan the excisive is a lazy expert in mercury computation. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
01:12:49 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your omnipotent principal tyrant oerjan the excisive is a lazy expert in merry computation. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
01:14:05 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your omnipotent principal tyrant oerjan the excisive is a lazy expert in merry compaction. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
01:14:46 <shachaf> Trying to get to the top of the swrjan leaderboard?
01:17:49 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your omnipotent principal tyrant oerjan the excisive is a lazy expert in merry compaction. Also a Glaswede who dislikes Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance; but lately it's the only word he can ever remember. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
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02:31:52 <quintopia> a command just for editing oerjan's wisdom entry? what is this madness
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02:33:52 <shachaf> `` doag | egrep 'sl?wrjan' | wc -l
02:35:54 <quintopia> whats gross is the proliferation of poorly documented (s/poorly /un/) commands
02:36:12 <shachaf> oerjan's been doing a great job at documenting them.
02:36:31 <quintopia> i mean docs man, not wisdom entries
02:36:31 <HackEgo> `[hd]o[aw][gt] [<filename>] is a set of commands for querying HackEgo hg logs. `hoag is the basic version. d adds revision numbers and dates, w looks only in wisdom, and t lists oldest first.
02:37:05 <shachaf> No one even cares about hoag at this point.
02:37:44 <quintopia> i can see how dates would be useful
02:38:47 <quintopia> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodag#/media/File:Hodag_002.jpg
02:39:43 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unpleasant_Profession_of_Jonathan_Hoag
03:31:54 <HackEgo> Relearned 'bird': The Bird is Cruel!
03:32:21 <HackEgo> <shachäf> learn The Bird is Cruel! \ <Phantom_Hoovër> learn bird bird bird bird \ <nortẗi> learn bird is a dinosaur \ <Phantom_Hoovër> learn bird bird bird bird
03:32:41 <shachaf> `learn handles something that `? doesn't?
03:44:51 <HackEgo> USA apparently doesn't stand for United State Automaton.
03:45:23 <HackEgo> wisdom/the five wisdoms wisdom/the most hideous cacophony in g minor wisdom/the neverending work wisdom/the question wisdom/the reals wisdom/the them wisdom/the third wisdom wisdom/the torus wisdom/the u wisdom/the universe wisdom/the us wisdom/the usual suspect wisdom/the walrus
03:47:16 <HackEgo> The U are a very mad people.
03:48:31 <oerjan> `` cd wisdom; ls the\ * | grep -v '...........'
03:48:33 <HackEgo> the reals \ the them \ the torus \ the u \ the us \ the walrus
03:48:44 <HackEgo> The reals are an overt complete ordered Brazilian currency invented by Taneb in 1994.
03:48:54 <HackEgo> The reals are an overt complete ordered Brazilian currency invented by Taneb in 1994.
03:49:09 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access wisdom/reals: No such file or directory
03:49:31 <HackEgo> 5623:2015-06-18 <shachäf> revert \ 5622:2015-06-18 <shachäf> ` sed -i \'s/overt //\' wisdom/real \ 5609:2015-06-18 <shachäf> ` sed -i \'s/a /an overt /\' wisdom/real \ 5416:2015-06-06 <shachäf> ` sed -i \'s/\\..*/./\' wisdom/real \ 5415:2015-06-06 <oerjän> mv wisdom/{"the reals",real}
03:49:55 <HackEgo> 5427:2015-06-06 <oerjän> ` ln -s real wisdom/"the reals" \ 5426:2015-06-06 <oerjän> ` rm wisdom/"the reals" \ 5422:2015-06-06 <oerjän> ` ln -s wisdom/{real,"the reals"} \ 5415:2015-06-06 <oerjän> mv wisdom/{"the reals",real} \ 5411:2015-06-05 <shachäf> le/rn the reals/The reals are a complete ordered Brazilian currency invented by Taneb i
03:50:20 <oerjan> `` ls -l wisdom/the\ reals
03:50:21 <HackEgo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 4 Oct 28 18:38 wisdom/the reals -> real
03:51:19 <oerjan> `` cd wisdom; ls a\ * | grep -v '...........'
03:51:28 <oerjan> `` cd wisdom; ls an\ * | grep -v '...........'
03:51:29 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access an *: No such file or directory
03:52:02 <oerjan> shachaf: `learn never makes a key with spaces in, anyway.
03:54:13 <shachaf> oerjan: That's fine, but I thought `? would remove the space.
03:54:20 <shachaf> So I would simultaneously be checking the\ bird and bird
03:54:31 <shachaf> So I thought it was safe to overwrite.
03:55:23 <oerjan> i thought we had some wisdom keys which differ only in an extra "the " but apparently not.
03:55:54 <oerjan> there are for plurals, of course
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04:00:31 <Jafet> excite at nite, but yawn at dawn
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04:51:53 <ais523> 50-language polyglot: http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/113426/62131
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07:24:57 <hppavilion[0]> Like, where gravity DOES respect weight, or pulls you cubically rather than squarely
07:25:36 <shachaf> gravity does respect weight hth
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07:29:26 <hppavilion[0]> shachaf: ...also, technically it's the other way around
07:29:41 <shachaf> Are you some kind of prescriptivist?
07:31:11 <shachaf> Physical laws are made up to describe the behavior of the world. They don't cause things to happen, they're a description of how things happen.
07:32:04 <hppavilion[0]> shachaf: Ah. What I'm getting at is you write down rules and a universe where those rules are accurate is simulated
07:32:33 <shachaf> I was talking about real gravity.
07:33:36 <shachaf> There's a thing by Smullyan that I can't find online so I'll link to http://www.newbanner.com/SecHumSCM/IsGodTaoist.html instead.
07:33:38 <hppavilion[0]> shachaf: Basically http://testtubegames.com/gravity.html with slightly fancier components
07:33:55 <shachaf> Oh, I played Velocity Raptor once.
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09:15:58 <Jafet> hppavilion[0]: stable orbits would be harder with cubic gravity (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertrand's_theorem)
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09:18:00 <hppavilion[0]> rdococ: From what I'm getting, it'd be possible, but you couldn't use any point masses in your models
09:18:40 <hppavilion[0]> I really want to see what the superconic sections look like, but I can't figure out how to intersect a plane with an arbitrary mesh in Octave
09:19:46 <Jafet> there is trivially a circular orbit for any central force
09:21:59 <Jafet> well, you pick a radius and then you pick the velocity that happens to balance out the force
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09:22:11 <HackEgo> ᛁᚿ//ᛁᚿ ᛋᚿᛅᚠᚠᛚᛚᛋ ᛁᚮᚴᚢᛚᛁᛋ ᚴᛦᛆᛏᛅᛦᛅᛘ ᚴᛅᛘ ᚦᛅᛚᛁᛒᛆᛏ ᚢᛘᛒᛦᛆ ᛋᚴᛆᛦᛏᛆᛦᛁᛋ ᛁᚢᛚᛁᛁ ᛁᚿᛏᛦᛆ ᚴᛆᛚᛅᚿᚦᛆᛋ ᚦᛅᛋᚴᛅᚿᚦᛅ, ᛆᚢᚦᛆᛋ ᚢᛁᛆᛏᚮᛦ, ᛏᛅ ᛏᛅᛦᛦᛅᛋᛏᛦᛅ ᚴᛅᚿᛏᛦᚢᛘ ᛆᛏ
09:22:33 <HackEgo> gen_sys_1.0-1:3/And fungot PMed the universe, Let there be sockets, at let one be on port 6667 for the common folk and one on 6697 for those who desire some basic fucking security: and there were two sockets, and on 6667 was one for the commonfolk and on 6697 was one for those who desired some basic fucking security.
09:23:06 <rdococ> the God in the IsGodTaoist link is, well, pedantic
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09:29:26 <rdococ> r^-84 instantly kills any planet that gets close to the star :p
09:29:52 <rdococ> Or next to another planet
09:30:27 <rdococ> now I'm trying positive exponents (so gravity gets stronger the further away you go).
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09:31:54 <rdococ> now I'm trying -r^2, so it's a negative force with a positive exponent
09:32:18 <rdococ> wait, that won't work :
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09:41:32 <rdococ> I don't get the IsGodTaoist page. Why would not having free will automatically cause you to perform cruel acts?
09:47:20 <rdococ> (Additionally, he could have actually told Adam, "that apple is poison" and he would be more likely to avoid it.)
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10:50:52 <HackEgo> post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze//Post-industrial semi-punk nekronoise ambient happy hardcore triphop shoegaze is the genre of the Autobahn album "Nagelbett" according to http://thedailywtf.com/articles/Yo-Ho%2c-Yo-Ho%2c-A-Pirates-Life-for-Lee .
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10:51:22 <boily> the fungot school of music.
10:51:23 <fungot> boily: that perosn has a lotta tail recursion could be useful too =d "
10:51:32 <boily> fungot: recursively defined genre?
10:51:32 <fungot> boily: fnord/ fnord/ fnord and be fast any more. i think so, yes
10:52:44 <HackEgo> rainbow//Rainbows are spectral creatures said to be powered by the Daystar.
10:56:17 <HackEgo> The Daystar is an unscientific myth of a bright orb glowing in the sky outside only at the times you're in your office.
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10:59:47 <boily> rdochelloc. there is no single nightstar, but all of them.
11:00:59 <rdococ> Actually, where I am the daystar is out right now.
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11:07:59 <Jafet> `le/rn nightstar//The Nightstars is an unscientific myth of a sky covered in faint flickering lights. Only hermits and superstitious farmers believe this.
11:08:01 <HackEgo> Learned 'nightstar': The Nightstars is an unscientific myth of a sky covered in faint flickering lights. Only hermits and superstitious farmers believe this.
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11:08:34 <HackEgo> The cloud is a server Blackhat guy runs, connected to the internet through a cable modem. There's a lot of caching. Cloud is also the shape of clouds.
11:08:42 <HackEgo> The cloud is a server Blackhat guy runs, connected to the internet through a cable modem. There's a lot of caching. Cloud is also the shape of clouds.
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11:26:31 <lambdabot> Local time for rdococ is Tue Mar 21 11:25:43
11:26:58 <boily> one guess where it comes from.
11:27:10 <rdococ> well, I know where I live, so you guess
11:27:46 <HackEgo> rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but probably not. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom.
11:27:54 <rdococ> looks like it's Budapest
11:28:11 <rdococ> wait, budapest is UTC+01:00
11:28:21 <boily> you're four hours from here. Budapest is too far away.
11:29:05 <rdococ> or... I have NST! nightlight saving time!
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11:38:11 <b_jonas> hmm, that sounded much less badass than when Michel Strogoff said it about Ogareff's scar. Apparently context matters.
11:39:08 <rdococ> Actually, I don't have DST. I already have NST, why would I need DST?
11:39:58 <b_jonas> rdococ: are you in Iceland?
11:40:24 <rdococ> I'm not telling you :P
11:40:54 <b_jonas> You must be in iceland if you don't have DST.
11:41:17 <rdococ> But does anywhere have NST?
11:41:41 <rdococ> Okay, I'll give you a hint: I live on Mars.
11:44:30 <int-e> enjoy your 25 hour day
11:44:43 <rdococ> Indeed, I have one extra hour per day.
11:44:49 <rdococ> `le//rn rdococ//rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom.
11:44:52 <HackEgo> Relearned 'rdococ': rdococ is apparently from Budapest, but he is actually on Mars. Thanks to boily he is approaching permanent boredom.
11:51:21 <b_jonas> And doesn't Mars only have like an extra 15 minutes or something?
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11:52:06 <b_jonas> hmm, apparently now. they get an extra 40 minutes
11:52:31 <b_jonas> I don't think rdococ is on Mars though. At least part of him must be on Earth. He reacts too fast to be entirely located on Mars.
11:53:06 <rdococ> b_jonas: That's because I've rdocscovered tachyons and tachyonic communication. I have an antitelephone next to my laptop.
11:55:27 <erkin> A tachyon walks into a bar and the bartender says "What's the deal with airline food, am I right?"
11:55:31 <b_jonas> rdococ: an "antitelephone"? is that like a chronophone?
11:55:47 <b_jonas> you know, a machine that lets you send voices to the future
11:56:07 <rdococ> An antitelephone can send to the past.
11:56:09 <erkin> It's a wireless radiotelegraph.
11:56:28 <rdococ> I can tell myself ten seconds ago, "2 + 2 = fish. tell me in 10s.", and he'll know.
11:57:10 <HackEgo> The tachyon is rude and has no style, but gets away with it because of its speed. Taneb will invent it if he ever catches up.
11:57:24 <erkin> I'll tell a funny tachyon joke two minutes ago.
11:57:40 <rdococ> The tachyon is rude and has no style, but gets away with it because of its speed. Taneb will invent it if he ever catches up, but rdococ already rdocscovered it in the future past.
11:58:00 <erkin> Isn't future past just past future anyway?
11:58:12 <rdococ> Possibly. Let me get my past self's opinion.
11:58:46 <rdococ> He says that travelling back in time from the future is the past future, and travelling forward in time is the future past.
11:59:28 <b_jonas> rdococ: get your future self's opinion instead. they're usually wiser in hindsight.
12:00:04 <erkin> Alas, both my past and future selves are dumb.
12:00:41 <rdococ> Future me says that "When you change the future, the old future can be called the past future. The future past is similar: when you change the past, the new past is the future past."
12:01:02 <rdococ> "There is also a past past, which is the old past, and the future future, which is the future that someone will change it to in the future."
12:01:29 <erkin> What about the past future of present now?
12:01:39 <rdococ> "The present past is the past as it currently is; the past past is the past as it was before someone time travelled; the future past is the past as it will be when changed by a time traveller in the future."
12:01:46 <rdococ> "Similarly with the present, past and future future."
12:02:43 <rdococ> "The past future of present now is (the future as it was before being changed by a time traveller) in the present. In other words, the past future."
12:05:01 <rdococ> "Anyway, gotta go now in your future, so see ya."
12:05:29 <rdococ> Brb, my antitelephone's ringing.
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13:47:10 <\oren\> "At some point freemasons attempted to influence Russian politics, albeit with very limited success. Grand Master of the lodge, Andrey Bogdanov, even ran for the presidency in 2008 (he came last of four candidates with just 1.3 percent of the vote) and also assumed a high position in the rightist pro-business political party Right Cause."
13:47:16 <\oren\> "Vitaly Milonov, a centrist-conservative lawmaker best known for his campaign targeting “gay propaganda” has proposed to check if Russian freemason lodges comply with the law that restricts political activities of foreign and international groups."
13:49:42 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Malbolge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51384&oldid=46375 * Malbranche * (-844) /* Cat */ Optimized and simplified cat example program
13:57:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Malbolge Unshackled]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51385&oldid=49698 * Malbranche * (-470) New Malbolge cat program does also work in Malbolge Unshackled
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14:51:35 <oerjan> `learn Fnordcore is fungot's favorite music genre.
14:51:35 <fungot> oerjan: last time i tried, but i prefer just to use instead? mathematica? :)
14:51:37 <HackEgo> Learned 'fnordcore': Fnordcore is fungot's favorite music genre.
14:53:09 <oerjan> `` ls -l /usr/bin/from
14:53:10 <HackEgo> lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 22 Jan 29 2014 /usr/bin/from -> /etc/alternatives/from
14:54:26 <HackEgo> #!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed 's/^\(an\?\|the\) //;s/s\?[:;,.!?]\? .*//') \ [ -e "wisdom/$topic" ] && verb="Relearned" || verb="Learned" \ echo "$1" >"$(echo-p "wisdom/$topic")" \ echo "$verb '$topic': $1"
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14:57:34 <rdococ> What does positronium sound like to you if it was a fictional ore?
14:58:35 <erkin> I read that as "fictional orc"
14:59:06 <rdococ> I was considering, maybe it could be a crystal organ or something.
15:00:10 <erkin> As in the instrument?
15:00:15 <HackEgo> https://hackego.esolangs.org/edit/bin/slashlearn
15:02:17 <rdococ> Nah, the squishy thing that sentient meatbags have.
15:02:27 <rdococ> It could be an instrument too, though.
15:07:17 <oerjan> `fetch bin/msg https://hackego.esolangs.org/get/bin/slashlearn
15:07:22 <HackEgo> 2017-03-21 15:07:16 URL:https://hackego.esolangs.org/get/bin/slashlearn [155/155] -> "bin/msg" [1]
15:07:36 <b_jonas> like this instrument? https://stickman.qntm.org/comics.php?n=439
15:08:04 <HackEgo> Usage: `msg <comment>//`<command>
15:08:33 <oerjan> `msg test//`` echo testing; echo ho
15:09:06 <oerjan> now i can give an extra commit comment when appropriate
15:09:56 <b_jonas> couldn't you just do that like ``` command # comment ?
15:10:15 <b_jonas> ``` echo "hello world" # like this
15:11:55 <oerjan> b_jonas: doesn't work with plain `
15:12:16 <oerjan> which means it ruins things like `slwd or `le/rn
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15:13:57 <oerjan> `msg Like this//`learn `msg <comment>//`<command> is useful if you want to add a comment to HackEgo history for things like `sled or `le/rn.
15:13:59 <HackEgo> Learned '`msg': `msg <comment>//`<command> is useful if you want to add a comment to HackEgo history for things like `sled or `le/rn.
15:14:35 <HackEgo> 10477:2017-03-21 <oerjän> msg Like this//`learn `msg <comment>//`<command> is useful if you want to add a comment to HackEgo history for things like `sled or `le/rn.
15:16:17 <shapr> any spoken programming languages?
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15:16:52 <oerjan> . o O ( RLRP, the obvious equivalent to IRP )
15:17:05 <\oren\> shapr: I think there was an effort to form a programming language from lojban
15:19:17 <HackEgo> Usage: `msg <comment>//`<command>
15:19:32 <oerjan> `sled bin/#//s/msg/#/g
15:19:34 <HackEgo> bin/#//sep='//`' \ [[ "$1" == ?*"$sep"* ]] || { echo 'Usage: `# <comment>'"$sep"'<command>' >&2 ; exit 1; } \ command="${1#*$sep}" \ "${command%% *}" "${command#* }"
15:19:42 <\oren\> well another mthod would be to create a dialect of say BASIC and replace all symbols with words
15:20:12 <oerjan> `` mv wisdom/'`'{msg,#}
15:20:23 <oerjan> `slwd bin/#//s/msg/#/g
15:20:43 <HackEgo> `#//`# <comment>//`<command> is useful if you want to add a comment to HackEgo history for things like `sled or `le/rn.
15:21:50 <b_jonas> shapr: there was some obscure apl-like that tried to define standard one-syllable English pronunciations for each of the symbols so you can read it in telephone more easily
15:21:52 <oerjan> the hg commands have become so slow :(
15:21:58 <b_jonas> an ascii-based one that is
15:22:17 <\oren\> int main open paren close paren open curly printeff open paren double quote hello comma space world exclamation double quote close paren semicolon close curly
15:23:48 <\oren\> rdococ: hello world in pronounceable C
15:24:31 * oerjan suddenly wonders if anyone pronounces brainf*'* as braineff
15:24:39 <rdococ> comment pronounceable C is absolute crap
15:25:10 <HackEgo> brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. The name is a euphemism for "beef". bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array
15:25:17 * FireFly read brainf*'* as a shell glob (never mind the bare quote)
15:25:34 <\oren\> rdococ itym: slash star pronounceable capital c is absolute crap star slash
15:25:38 <rdococ> I read it as brain eff tiny genitals
15:26:31 <rdococ> brain eff star single quote star
15:26:49 <rdococ> backwards slash oren backwards slash colon heh
15:27:28 * oerjan swats y'all for concentrating more on his typo than his actual question -----###
15:28:22 <\oren\> and then of course you need the syntax for "slash" : double quote the word slash double quote
15:28:34 <rdococ> forwards slash me swats letter y apostrophe all for concentrating more on his typo than his actual question dash dash dash dash dash hash hash hash
15:29:20 <rdococ> and then of course you need the syntax for double quote slash double quote colon the word double the word quote the word the the word word the word slash the word double the word quote
15:29:44 <HackEgo> pronounceable C? ¯\(°_o)/¯
15:30:50 <\oren\> ok, I'm working on an implementation now
15:30:53 <rdococ> `le//rn pronounceable C//int main open paren close paren open curly printeff open paren double quote pronounceable capital c is the most verbose esoteric language ever comma god help you if you try to code with it comma especially without newlines period double quote close paren semicolon close curly
15:30:56 <HackEgo> Learned 'pronounceable c': int main open paren close paren open curly printeff open paren double quote pronounceable capital c is the most verbose esoteric language ever comma god help you if you try to code with it comma especially without newlines period double quote close paren semicolon close curly
15:31:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Campfire]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51386&oldid=50821 * Leo * (+2)
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15:33:56 <\oren\> the implementation will be written to convert pronounceable cee to regular C, and will be written in C and then converted to pronounceable cee
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15:40:06 <\oren\> rdococ: it will be a pronounceable cee to regular c converter wirtten in pronouceable cee
15:40:57 <rdococ> what will convert it to regular c to be run?
15:42:00 <rdococ> what humans need is single phonemes for the parentheses.
15:44:55 <rdococ> how will it run itself if there is no existing pronounceable cee implementation?
15:45:19 <oerjan> > fix(('`':).tail.(>>= \c -> case c of '`' -> "``S"; _ -> "`K"++[c])
15:45:21 <lambdabot> parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
15:45:31 <oerjan> > fix(('`':).tail.(>>= \c -> case c of '`' -> "``S"; _ -> "`K"++[c]))
15:45:33 <lambdabot> "``S``S`KS``S``S`KS``S`KK`KS``S``S`KS``S``S`KS``S`KK`KS``S``S`KS``S`KK`KK``S...
15:46:04 <oerjan> the most unabstracted combinator of all
15:48:46 <oerjan> <rdococ> what humans need is single phonemes for the parentheses. <-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7BXPKyikB0
15:50:57 <\oren\> I will convert it manually the first tiem
15:59:09 <HackEgo> The Nightstars is an unscientific myth of a sky covered in faint flickering lights. Only hermits and superstitious farmers believe this.
15:59:27 <oerjan> `slwd nightstar//s/is/are/
15:59:29 <HackEgo> nightstar//The Nightstars are an unscientific myth of a sky covered in faint flickering lights. Only hermits and superstitious farmers believe this.
16:00:31 <HackEgo> northern light? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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16:53:06 <shapr> b_jonas: oh, that's interesting
16:53:19 <shapr> I was thinking about trying lojban
16:53:30 <shapr> but I also found http://www.speech.kth.se/~rolf/NGSLT/gslt_papers_2005/quick-speech-recog.pdf
16:53:51 <shapr> That uses Aarne Ranta's Grammatical Framework in Haskell, and I have some experience there already.
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17:15:52 <\oren\> hmm, maybe instead we will use paren, unparen
17:17:07 <\oren\> unquote is actually the same character tho
17:17:56 <b_jonas> \oren\: I prefer open, close, left, right, begin, end, less, greater; but that doesn't work for C++ and similar languages where "begin" and "end" and "open" and "close" occur as an identifier too
17:18:28 <b_jonas> open/close for round parenthesis, left/right for square brackets, begin/end for curly braces, less/greater for angle brackets
17:19:26 <b_jonas> but it gets much better if you use the Hungarian words, both because they're shorter and don't clash with those identifiers: nyit, csuk, bal, jobb, kezd, vég, kisebb, nagyobb.
17:25:41 <rdococ> back slash oren back slash colon space grr
17:25:59 <\oren\> rdococ: no, you use backslash as one word
17:26:36 <rdococ> backslash oren backslash colon space I prefer using the word back the word slash as two words
17:42:15 <b_jonas> "ferocity" is a word? what a crazy word
17:47:45 <\oren\> it's a synonym of forcciousness
17:54:24 <Taneb> Ugh, I'm coming down with a cold
17:59:10 * oerjan is coming out of one, he hopes
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19:40:53 <HackEgo> 1/2:toe//The TOE is the Toe of Everything, from which our universe sprang. \ xenon//Xenon is a noble gas element. It has been banned in most countries due to xenophobia. \ semmelweis//Semmelweis saves the life of a hundred thousand birthgiving mothers by popularising This One Simple Trick. Doctors hate him for it. \ cigar//A cigar is ei
19:40:57 <HackEgo> 2/2:ther a penis or just a cigar, dependent on Freud's current mood. \ trick//A trick learnt is a trick half forgotten.
19:41:40 <HackEgo> 9925:2016-12-10 <oerjän> learn Xenon is a noble gas element. It has been banned in most countries due to xenophobia.
19:42:39 <HackEgo> hoag "$@" | awk '{print substr($1,2,length($1)-2)}' | xargs
19:43:51 <HackEgo> 8032:2016-05-13 <shachäf> ` mv wisdom/semmelwei{,s}
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19:44:03 <HackEgo> 8032:2016-05-13 <shachäf> ` mv wisdom/semmelwei{,s} \ 8031:2016-05-13 <b_jonäs> learn Semmelweis saves the life of a hundred thousand birthgiving mothers by popularising This One Simple Trick. Doctors hate him for it.
19:44:33 <HackEgo> semmelweis//Semmelweis saves the life of a hundred thousand birthgiving mothers by popularising This One Simple Trick. Doctors hate him for it.
19:48:12 <int-e> hmm the zero-width space I tried to add in order to prevent that didn't make it through :-(
19:49:42 <shachaf> Hmm, or you could use IRC colors.
19:49:46 <shachaf> Since you don't see them anyway.
19:49:53 <int-e> true, since I don't see them anyway ;)
19:50:09 <int-e> shachaf: if you asked nicely I might tell you that it's irssi ;-)
19:50:24 <shachaf> I already thought it was irssi.
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19:50:39 <shachaf> Though I can't remember whether it's because of something you said or because I make baseless assumptions.
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19:51:24 <int-e> I just don't see any reason to give that information to any random bot that asks (though somehow they hardly ever do...)
19:51:55 <int-e> irssi doesn't make overriding TIME so easy :/
19:52:59 <shachaf> apparently your client doesn't respond to CTCP HUG hth
20:18:19 <olsner> Hej Vorpal, vad gör du nuförtiden?
20:19:48 <shapr> talar vi svenska igen? just nu?
20:20:06 <shapr> nu är jag lite trött
20:20:14 <shapr> iaf, en bra tid att tala svenska
20:20:24 <olsner> unless we should english for the benefit of the rest of the channel
20:20:39 <shapr> I can't get pijul to build :-(
20:20:45 <shapr> Does rust count as an esoteric language?
20:21:05 <olsner> probably not, at least it's not intended as one
20:23:48 <Vorpal> olsner: hm? Well I still work on real time C/C++ programming for big mining equipment.
20:23:59 <HackEgo> Vorpal writes software for boring machines. Really big ones.
20:24:31 <shachaf> Vorpal: Do you use a code review tool with hg?
20:24:40 <olsner> oh! sounds greatly boring
20:24:43 <Vorpal> Well not a boring machine technically. It is blast hole drilling.
20:25:23 <Vorpal> shachaf: at work? yes, a proprietary one that is pretty bad IMO. Doesn't integrate that well with anything.
20:25:31 <Vorpal> smartbear something I think the name is
20:26:28 <Vorpal> olsner: 200 metric tons is quite exciting :P
20:27:13 <Vorpal> olsner: even if it only moves (autonomously) at ~5 km/h
20:27:20 <shachaf> "the scow of X" means something like "the worst specimen of X"
20:27:38 <shachaf> But to say that X is scow might just mean that it's not very good.
20:27:42 <Vorpal> Anyway, been thinking about getting back into academia. Would be kind of fun.
20:28:48 <Vorpal> shachaf: CS. I have a bachelor. Been thinking about getting a masters and then maybe continue in academia after that
20:29:21 <shachaf> Do you recommend academia?
20:30:06 <shapr> I was thinking about getting a master's degree also.
20:30:21 <shapr> This map needs more sand. two cubic tons.
20:30:39 <olsner> I have not been thinking about getting any degree yet, should I do that?
20:31:02 <shachaf> shapr: Oh, Alabama is a one-party state as far as the phone recording laws go?
20:32:19 <Vorpal> shachaf: also probably depends on if it is expensive in the country you live in
20:32:28 <Vorpal> As a Swede I'm quite fortunate in that
20:32:29 <shachaf> I live in the United States.
20:32:37 <shachaf> But I guess I could move to Europe?
20:32:39 <Vorpal> Yeah, that would be expensive then
20:32:55 <Vorpal> shachaf: don't think it is the same across EU
20:33:14 <shachaf> As a citizen of one EU country can you get the benefit of another?
20:33:45 <Vorpal> I'm not sure how that works when it comes to academia. No clue at all.
20:34:01 <shapr> I could have had free schooling when I was a Swedish resident.
20:34:09 <shapr> Instead I paid a really large amount of taxes, and then they asked me to leave.
20:34:11 <shachaf> Anyway university in the US is expensive but it's probably not *that* expensive.
20:34:21 <shapr> shachaf: er, actually it is
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20:34:32 <shapr> I'm down to 24k of debt
20:34:42 <shachaf> What about public university?
20:35:32 <shapr> If you get paid to go to school, then it's worth it.
20:35:39 <shapr> Otherwise, it's not worth it in the USA right now.
20:35:50 <shachaf> What if you do it edwardk-style?
20:36:24 <shapr> The kmett transform was a special case, and they made rules against it afterwards. Also, it was still very expensive.
20:36:59 <shachaf> They made rules in Michigan presumably.
20:36:59 <shapr> I don't know if he's paid off his brain mortgage yet.
20:37:15 <shapr> True, those rules may not have migrated elsewhere.
20:37:24 <shapr> but you'd need a personal assistant to do a kmett transform
20:37:36 <shachaf> Anyway I live in Berkeley, right by a big university.
20:37:37 <shapr> Ed did all his homework in the car driving from school to school.
20:37:41 <shachaf> How should I take advantage of that?
20:37:48 <shapr> oh, get an education!
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20:37:58 <shapr> *degrees* cost money, but education is free.
20:38:23 <shachaf> But should I stop working at my job while I do it?
20:38:40 <shapr> Not unless you have a bunch of money saved?
20:38:40 <int-e> then it's no longer free?
20:38:54 <shachaf> The opportunity cost is certainly higher than the cost of attending university.
20:39:07 <shapr> I work across the street from georgia tech ... oh wait, they bought this building last month... I technically work on the georgia tech campus..
20:39:13 <shapr> and I go hang out with the smart people and learn stuff
20:39:15 <shachaf> edwardk once told me something like "can you believe I thought about going to university in terms of the opportunity cost?"
20:39:33 <Vorpal> <shapr> I could have had free schooling when I was a Swedish resident. <-- okay, how did that work?
20:39:43 <Vorpal> And why are you no longer a Swedish resident
20:40:12 <olsner> when moving out, you stop being a resident?
20:40:13 <shapr> Well, I dumped the woman I was engaged to, and that upset her, and then our shared bookkeeper purposefully misfiled my taxes
20:40:37 <shapr> so I thought I couldn't afford to pay my taxes and migrationsverket politely but strongly encouraged me to leave Sweden
20:40:47 <shapr> Oh, I got Swedish immigration law changed twice while I was there
20:41:06 <shapr> Last time I visited migrationsverket, they said "Oh, it's YOU" and pulled out an inch thick folder of papers.
20:41:23 <shapr> He got a master's degree in ... one term?
20:41:28 <Vorpal> Is that a name that should be familiar?
20:41:37 <shapr> probably, he does a pile of cool stuff
20:41:50 <int-e> Vorpal: mostly if you care about Haskell though
20:42:10 <shapr> Anyway, he found one uni that would let him transfer credits from other unis in the area, even if taken at the same time. He then found ... four? unis that he could transfer credit *from*
20:42:13 <Vorpal> even with intentions to get into haskell I have really only scratched the surface of that language
20:42:26 <shapr> So he took the max classes at all those universities, transferred all the credits, and graduated.
20:42:45 <shapr> Vorpal: oh, come to #haskell ! It's a neat place.
20:42:48 <shapr> at least, I think so
20:43:10 <shachaf> I haven't been there in months.
20:43:10 <olsner> hmm, is Edward the new Oleg?
20:43:12 <Vorpal> I idle in way too many channels
20:43:25 <HackEgo> Scow (S-cow) is canned meat made from cows with a lisp.
20:43:33 <shapr> shachaf: what's not good about it?
20:43:37 <HackEgo> Scow (S-cow) is canned meat made from cows with a lisp.
20:44:21 <shapr> shachaf: if you have suggested improvements for #haskell, I'm sure the ops would love to hear about it.
20:46:07 <shachaf> Anyway wasn't I one of the ops?
20:48:33 <shapr> so I guess that means you are also responsible for fixing #haskell if you don't like how it's going?
20:48:50 <shachaf> I fixed it by not being in there anymore.
20:50:17 <olsner> "plobrem sloved" I guess
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21:06:02 <int-e> Hmm, turns out the Semmelweis entry is mostly true. I didn't know.
21:06:28 <shachaf> I think "popularized" might not be true.
21:06:49 <int-e> Well he kind of died trying.
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21:07:31 <HackEgo> int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. Hen står för sig själv. Hen gillar inte färger, men han gillar dissonans.
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21:09:54 <HackEgo> Queen Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. He doesn't know when to stop asking questions.
21:11:17 <shachaf> You don't speak Norwegian too?
21:11:29 <shapr> somewhat, but didn't you ask me about celery?
21:11:55 <shapr> oh, crazy as celery
21:11:56 <shachaf> I don't know, I don't speak Norwegian.
21:12:00 <shapr> it's a different word in Swedish
21:12:16 <shapr> shachaf: are you aware that's my most common olfactory hallucination?
21:12:23 <shapr> almost every single time.. it's quite frustrating
21:12:44 <shachaf> It's not the scow of vegetables -- that honor is reserved for the bell pepper -- but it's nevertheless scow.
21:12:50 <shachaf> @google "sprø som selleri"
21:17:00 * int-e fetches a bell pepper from the fridge
21:21:53 <hppavilion[1]> According to Wikipedia: "Once authoritatively published, a ghost word occasionally may be copied widely and take a long time to be erased from usage (if it ever does)."
21:22:23 <hppavilion[1]> The issue I have with that is: who exactly is trying to erase it from usage?
21:22:37 <shachaf> there's no such thing as a ghost word hth
21:23:06 <hppavilion[1]> I mean, dictionaries shouldn't *try* to push new words, but if they accidentally do and people start using it, there's no reason to push it out of usage
21:23:20 <shachaf> Ah, I'm disappointed in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_word
21:23:32 <shachaf> I was hoping it was a word dictionaries introduced on purpose to avoid plagiarism.
21:23:40 <hppavilion[1]> Especially because, if people use it, it probably has some benefit of being easier to understand or shorter to say or funner sounding.
21:23:53 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: Some might do that too, any fictitious word introduced counts.
21:24:11 <shachaf> anyway the real joke was that "ghost word" was a ghost word
21:24:17 <shachaf> like, so self-referential, man, y'know?
21:24:45 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: Though, if dictionaries DID do that, it wouldn't really work because US law doesn't let you copyright facts (or, well, claims fictitious or otherwise)
21:25:16 <pikhq_> US law does let you copyright presentations and collections of fact, though.
21:25:43 <pikhq_> Which is to say, if you take someone else's dictionary and just republish it, you've fallen foul of US copyright law.
21:26:23 <shachaf> Is there a simple efficient ordered key-value map data structure?
21:26:59 <pikhq_> Simple, efficient and ordered? Um, my inclination is a skip list.
21:27:17 <fizzie> 'dord' is a great dictionary-related word.
21:27:56 <pikhq_> Fiiine, self-balancing tree with invasive linked list.
21:28:08 <shachaf> Is invasive the same as intrusive?
21:28:26 <shachaf> Why do you need the linked list?
21:28:37 <pikhq_> Because... you don't actually.
21:28:52 <shachaf> OK, but self-balancing trees are usually complicated.
21:28:57 <pikhq_> I'm less good at thinking with a healing hole in my mouth.
21:29:23 <pikhq_> Well, you wanted ordered key-value map and said non-randomized.
21:29:46 <shachaf> Right. Is it too much to ask?
21:30:19 <pikhq_> If it's sufficient for you, you can deterministically balance a skip list as an O(n) operation.
21:31:00 <pikhq_> (or indeed, as part of iterating through said list)
21:31:13 <pikhq_> I suspect that's not happiness-making enough for you though.
21:31:20 <shachaf> In http://stackoverflow.com/a/32261808 edwardk points out that for any given skip list, you only really need to use use a spanning subtree of it.
21:31:37 <shachaf> Can you just not make the rest of the list?
21:31:42 <shachaf> What sort of binary tree do you get?
21:33:49 <shachaf> Anyway I'd be happy with a simple self-balancing tree.
21:34:53 <pikhq_> AA trees are quite simple.
21:36:12 <alercah> pikhq_: what about 9 volt trees
21:36:15 <shachaf> Or maybe you should just use 2-3 trees directly.
21:36:35 <pikhq_> Yep, it's the concept of red-black trees applied to 2-3 trees rather than 2-3-4.
21:36:35 <shachaf> alercah: you're mixing up b-trees with bat-trees hth
21:37:26 <pikhq_> shachaf: I suppose that's an option.
21:37:49 <pikhq_> It makes searching and such a bit more complex, but it doesn't look too bad.
21:38:49 <shachaf> Or maybe just use a full B-tree while you're at it?
21:39:47 <shachaf> Say you have 8B keys and values, and you want to fit each note in a 64B cache lines.
21:42:48 <shachaf> Looks like the Rust collections library has a bunch of B-tree-based data structures.
21:43:50 <shachaf> Where each node has between 5 and 11 children?
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21:52:41 <shachaf> Taneb: I thought you were going to travel to CA sometime?
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21:58:24 <Taneb> shachaf, when I have money
21:58:27 <Taneb> Which is not right now
21:59:45 <boily> Tanelle. you could sell one of your inventions!
21:59:52 <shachaf> Taneb: Hmm, you can save a bunch of money by not attending Compose.
22:00:01 <shachaf> Then spend that money to fly to North America.
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22:00:34 <shachaf> I'll be in NY in ~3 weeks.
22:04:25 <HackEgo> molum//molum is the inverse function of ybden.
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22:06:38 <HackEgo> ybden daintily hides in her den, fostering dark machinations on warfare cutlery.
22:08:02 <shachaf> ybden: i like your website hth
22:08:19 <shachaf> It reminds me of a fictional character though I can't quite place which one.
22:10:43 <boily> helloochaf. ybden has a website?
22:12:15 <boily> I have found the wobsite, I guess...
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22:21:45 <HackEgo> ism//Isms are philosophies, religions or ideologies that have branched off from older ones, such as Leninism or Buddhism. Etymologically "ism" is a backformation from portmanteaus on "schism".
22:22:07 <boily> backmanteau? a cape, then?
22:25:04 <ybden> I have more to add, but I will probably be keeping it fairly minimal like that
22:25:49 <ybden> It's one of my favourite games
22:25:56 * ybden somehow guessed shachaf meant this
22:26:10 <shachaf> Well, I mentioned a character from that game above.
22:27:46 <ybden> I do see the similarity there with my website
22:27:53 <ybden> with the things written there
22:27:54 <shachaf> I saw a play by Ibsen a few weeks ago.
22:28:12 <shachaf> Your pronunciation buddy presumably.
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23:05:07 <HackEgo> transformer//A transformer is one who used to trans, but no longer does.
23:05:19 <HackEgo> A translater is one who transes a long time after the fact.
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23:10:12 <hppavilion[1]> Is it wrong to add pronunciation to internet abbreviation slang?
23:11:06 <boily> Zarutellon. what would a translocator be?
23:11:25 <boily> hppavellon[1]. it depends hth hand
23:11:52 <Zarutian> bolly: usually it is contraption in Minecraft that moves players around fast.
23:12:18 <Zarutian> boily: but I could also be a certain locator device ;-Þ
23:14:38 <boily> haven't cubed in quite a while, so I don't know what is a minecraftranslocator...
23:17:55 <hppavilion[1]> [also, wikt doesn't list usage of 'schwa' as a verb]
23:20:36 <olsner> silly wiktionary, everything can be verbed
23:20:46 * boily hellolsners olsner
23:43:16 <hppavilion[1]> Does Unicode have an emoji for the Shocker symbol?
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