00:20:25 <int-e> do seagulls taste like chicken?
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00:53:56 <boily> apparently at least some seagulls are or were edible, or non-toxic: http://www.theoldfoodie.com/2015/07/how-to-cook-sea-gull.html
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01:38:39 <lambdabot> LOWI 010020Z AUTO VRB06G16KT 9999 NCD 13/M01 Q1009
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02:27:25 <lambdabot> CYUL 010125Z 02008KT 15SM -RA OVC048 06/02 A3020 RMK SC8 -RA INTMT PRESRR SLP228
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02:55:39 <\oren\> Agatha Knife is a good game too
03:13:31 <shachaf> `addquote <Jafet> an #esoteric-dwelling swede / was mistaken for edible feed / “with you,” said a sicko / “our lanttulaatikko / would be very tasty indeed!”
03:13:33 <HackEgo> 1311) <Jafet> an #esoteric-dwelling swede / was mistaken for edible feed / “with you,” said a sicko / “our lanttulaatikko / would be very tasty indeed!”
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04:07:34 <adu> hyperoperations are the best
04:07:52 <adu> my friend likes zeration
04:07:59 <adu> I personally like tetration
04:08:14 <hppavilion[1]> [for now, I will use the notation a[n]b as equivalent H_n(b, c)]
04:08:28 <hppavilion[1]> I'm trying to determine what properties are consistent across them
04:08:47 <adu> that's the only property
04:09:14 <adu> there is this one thing
04:09:19 <adu> let me find the link
04:10:02 <hppavilion[1]> I conjecture that (a[k]b)[k+1]c = (a[k+1]c) [k] (a[k+1]c) forall a, b, c, k
04:10:29 <adu> is that the definition?
04:10:36 <hppavilion[1]> [note that any variable of unspecified type is assumed to be natural]
04:10:37 <adu> if it is, then yes, it's true
04:10:54 <adu> ... by definition
04:11:15 <hppavilion[1]> adu: Using the standard definition. I could definitely be wrong. I usually am :P
04:11:49 <adu> http://math.eretrandre.org/tetrationforum/showthread.php?tid=97&pid=904#pid904
04:12:11 * adu is andydude
04:13:58 <adu> hppavilion[1]: where is b on the RHS?
04:14:38 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, a[0]b = a+1; (a[0]b)[1]c = (a+1)+c = a+1+c; (a[1]c) [0] (b[1]c) = (a+c)+1 = a+c+1, so as long as + is commutative (read: as long as we're using a reasonable definition of +), it still holds for k=0
04:14:43 <adu> hppavilion[1]: "(a[k+1]c) [k] (a[k+1]c)"
04:14:48 <adu> I don't see any "b"
04:15:59 * hppavilion[1] . ø Ø ( I wonder what form of "OK" I usually use )
04:19:14 <adu> hppavilion[1]: I know it's true for k == 2
04:20:10 <hppavilion[1]> adu: It's well-known to be true (as in, it's some Algebra I shit) for k = 1, 2, and I just proved it for k = 0
04:20:25 <adu> I would have to calculate for k == 3 becayse that requires knowledge of tetration
04:21:13 <adu> My tetration library is on another hard drive, so I would have to go digging
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04:36:40 <hppavilion[1]> Gragh, I can't get latex to put an expression in an underbrace in an exponenet
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05:00:37 <hppavilion[1]> doesthiswork: AFAICT, finding such a thing is pretty much adu's life's work
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05:14:37 <adu> doesthiswork: that's rediculous
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05:22:07 <hppavilion[1]> adu: Hm, I wonder if defining the hyperoperations so zeration is a[1]b is a good plan... I see something we might be able to pull off with that
05:22:21 <doesthiswork> woops, I forgot about those, just assume linear interpolation
05:22:41 <adu> hppavilion[1]: what can we pull off?
05:23:25 <hppavilion[1]> If we do that, and assume k = e^θi (that is, k is on the unit circle at the angle θ), a[k]b = a+k
05:26:54 <Jafet> (shachaf: should context-free limericks / really be quoted? / surely the DB is bloated / already with many a / fool and his dazzled perception / of what should be funnier / notarizing every disingenious volkssage)
05:27:41 <Jafet> (the chance might be slim, for ex- / ample, that hereafter / seekers of prurient laughter / recalling this memette / but not its conception / would probably see it / as more than punning scandinavian-as-rutabaga)
05:28:12 <Jafet> ok finding a rhyme for rutabaga was hard
05:28:29 <hppavilion[1]> Jafet: I wish rutabaga were orange. Also, is it rhyming at all?
05:29:18 <hppavilion[1]> (I mean, I see two rhymes, but they're pretty irregular)
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05:32:59 <hppavilion[1]> adu: ...I wonder if having complex-index hyperoperations behave so that the cube roots of n^3 represent Hyper n, Hyperroot n, and Hyperlog n would- oh, you're gone
05:34:17 <Jafet> so there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetration#Extension_to_complex_heights
05:39:04 <hppavilion[1]> Fun Fact: If you do `cd ..` from the root directory with sufficient permissions, your cwd will change to "the universe"
05:39:15 <hppavilion[1]> And you'll be able to modify reality from the command line
05:39:53 <shachaf> hppavilion[1]: what about hyperloglog n hth
05:40:09 <shachaf> i,i Tetragammation#Extension_to_complex_heights
05:40:28 <shachaf> Until today I thought it was called that. Apparently it's "tetragammaton".
05:41:05 <hppavilion[1]> $ cd /..; echo "Kill them all" >> people/jacob-mcalister/brain/thoughts
05:41:30 <shachaf> Jafet's rhyme is pretty good but I'm in no state of mind to respond in kind.
05:41:38 <hppavilion[1]> Now poor Mr. McAlister has been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic
05:41:57 <hppavilion[1]> (just be happy for him that I used ">>" instead of ">")
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05:44:59 <zzo38> Are you going to tell them to add the support for farbfeld into ImageMagick (for completeness)?
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05:49:03 <shachaf> We need to institute a code review policy for the topic.
05:49:03 <zzo38> I don't know. I have read the RFC at one time but I forget whether or not it mentioned any maximum (and if it did, what it is).
05:49:49 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: Probably. I was going to readd the standard header: "The international hub of Esoteric Programming Language discussion, design, development, and deployment"
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05:50:06 <shachaf> Why? This is already enough content.
05:50:15 <shachaf> People get that information in the welcome message anyway.
05:50:24 <shachaf> Short topics are better than long topics.
05:50:49 * hppavilion[1] resists the urge to blank the topic and replace it with that
05:51:09 <zzo38> The URL for the log should remain in the topic message at least.
05:51:19 <shachaf> The one that hasn't worked for months?
05:51:23 <zzo38> The one that works.
05:51:31 <shachaf> But that one has incomplete history.
05:52:09 <shachaf> Maybe all the URLs should be replaced with a wiki link.
05:52:21 <shachaf> It can link to the PDF, if people care about the PDF. Then that doesn't need to be in the topic.
05:52:25 <zzo38> No, I think is better to be directly for the log URLs at least.
05:52:38 <shachaf> But the wiki never goes down.
05:52:50 <zzo38> For other stuff (such as that PDF) it could go into wiki.
05:52:59 <shachaf> We just need a Gopher API to it so it works for all users.
05:53:11 <shachaf> Gopher interface, whatever it is.
05:53:33 <zzo38> Making the logs available on gopher should be easily enough to implement.
05:58:59 <Sgeo> RIP flash easter eggs on Newgrounds
05:59:24 <Sgeo> I just watched an old flash video and NG secretly converted it to actual video... which eliminated some easter eggs I liked
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07:22:21 <zzo38> I tried compressing various pictures by using farbfeld and then compressing with gzip, bzip2, and xz, with various other filters and options. Some pictures compress better with bzip2, some compress better with xz, and even with xz, some compress better with delta-coding and some work better without. Sometimes Paeth helps, but sometimes it makes it worse.
07:24:27 <zzo38> FLIF seems to be much better compression. I read the information of file format and there seem some thing missing.
07:24:53 <pikhq> FLIF is fairly complex, isn't it?
07:25:10 <zzo38> pikhq: Yes, I think so.
07:26:19 <zzo38> But see http://flif.info/example.html and it list the various compressed sizes. Using the picture of the fish there, covnerted to farbfeld, "ff-turn 5 | ff-paeth e | ff-turn 5 | bzip2 -9" results in 381632 bytes.
07:29:57 <zzo38> (ff-turn is reversed by using ff-turn again with the same number; ff-paeth e is reversed by ff-paeth d.)
07:31:18 <pikhq> That's roughly what I'd expect.
07:31:45 <zzo38> What is roughly what you would expect? (I am not sure what you are referring to)
07:31:48 <pikhq> With Paeth you're basically doing the same thing as PNG, only with a smarter general-purpose compression algorithm than deflate.
07:32:03 <pikhq> The 381632 bytes for the BZ2-compressed Paeth Farbfeld file.
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07:33:10 <zzo38> Ah, OK. (Although this command is also making Paeth in a different direction, because ff-turn is flipping/rotating the picture before and after the Paeth coding.)
07:36:05 <zzo38> I would want to add a FLIF encoder and FLIF decoder into Farbfeld Utilities though; encoder/decoder for other formats should also be added.
07:43:48 <zzo38> Probably why the documentation for near zero symbol coding in the FLIF specification is difficult to understand, is due to because RAC is not described (it just says "TODO: describe the 24-bit RAC and the 12-bit chances.")
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11:21:20 <rdococ> we forgot mewe and mewpi
11:22:03 <rdococ> Actually, I was using exclusive "we", which makes some sense in context.
11:24:20 <Taneb> No, it was just you
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11:25:38 <rdococ> How do you know I'm not with someone else?
11:26:17 <rdococ> I forgot, you guys don't know what a joke is, unless it's in wisdom.
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11:26:53 <rdococ> I'm going to say this for every time I annoy you: I'm sorry.
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11:44:55 <int-e> sigh, free day... need to prepare a talk... fun.
11:45:24 <boily> int-ello. we don't have a free day today :(
11:46:40 <int-e> Well it's called Labour Day after all.
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11:47:47 <erkin> What kind of country doesn't have a free day on Labour Day?
11:48:25 <oerjan> erkin: the us, probably.
11:48:41 <oerjan> and then they push canada into doing the same.
11:48:43 <boily> hellorkin. us too, certainly.
11:48:44 <int-e> (actually in Austria it's called "Staatsfeiertag", but it's still rooted in the Labour Day tradition)
11:49:33 <int-e> (Staat = state. Confusingly there's a "Nationalfeiertag" as well, which is synonymous, so I never know which is which.)
11:49:36 * erkin checks to see if police brutality happened today
11:50:02 <int-e> (Oh I didn't translate the rest. "Feiertag", literally is "day of celebration".)
11:50:25 <erkin> It started early today.
11:50:51 <oerjan> . o O ( while January 1 is Staatsfeuertag )
11:51:04 <erkin> I thought that was New Year's Day
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11:52:00 <erkin> ...I still don't get it D:
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11:52:44 <erkin> Wasn't yesterday Walpurgisnacht?
11:53:33 <oerjan> probably. we don't have that in norway (we do the bonfires on st john's eve, June 23)
11:55:14 <erkin> Our bonfire thing was in 21 March
11:55:35 <oerjan> that's definitely too cold for a bonfire... er wait
11:56:10 * oerjan gets confused by bonfires being a midsummer thing
11:56:38 <erkin> Do you dance around maypoles on May Day?
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11:57:08 <oerjan> no. that may be the swedes.
11:57:28 <oerjan> well it _is_ the swedes, i'm just not sure when.
11:57:45 <erkin> Probably sometime midsommar.
11:58:36 <boily> enjoying bonfires around la St-Jean sounds like a shared tradition ^^
11:58:58 <erkin> I want to visit Norway someday.
11:59:06 <erkin> And check their local native beer scene.
11:59:06 <oerjan> our big day in may is may 17, the national day.
12:00:24 <erkin> Stuff like spissøl (svagdricka), maltøl (Malzbier), hvidtøl, kornøl, Vossaøl, Stjørdalsøl etc.
12:01:21 <oerjan> the tradition for today, which not that many join, is the laborer's parade.
12:02:01 <oerjan> well it's not that big any more. although the politicians (at least some parties) make sure to show up.
12:05:02 <rdococ> /faij/ + schwa at the end
12:05:15 <rdococ> or I if you like SAMPA
12:05:30 <oerjan> wait, are you talking about Feuer
12:05:41 <rdococ> no, the pronunciation of <fire>
12:06:06 <oerjan> i don't think it's a schwa in rhotic dialects
12:06:19 <oerjan> or rather, it's a rhotacized one
12:06:37 <rdococ> also, my dialect is non-rhotic, so there's that
12:07:54 <oerjan> i vaguely think the austrians pronounce "Feuer" pretty close to that.
12:10:16 <oerjan> hm /ˈfaɪər/ says wiktionary
12:11:17 <erkin> Might be dialectal as well.
12:11:32 <oerjan> yes, it's with a list of dialects
12:12:23 <oerjan> i don't know that term.
12:18:18 <boily> glyphically correct, but the pronounciation hurts :P
12:19:29 <rdococ> I also pronounce fire with a /j/
12:24:22 <erkin> I pronounce it faɪə
12:25:49 <rdococ> I still think it should be spelt fiyer or faiyer or something similar
12:26:00 <rdococ> okay, maybe not think it should
12:27:37 <rdococ> interestingly, I've read that its root in Old English is <fyr>
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12:45:23 <rdococ> so I guess it should be fier, like how metre is now spelt meter (at least in the US)
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13:04:22 <oerjan> still is "fyr" in norwegian hth
13:05:18 <oerjan> it's not actually the main word for fire any longer, though.
13:05:30 <rdococ> what is the main word for fire now then?
13:06:24 <oerjan> well, i don't know that it ever was, i'm not a norse expert.
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14:26:52 <rdococ> imagine an RPG where each species is a class, and its specimen are instances of it
14:27:29 <rdococ> "I am deleting, no, not just your life force, but your class life force! All humans will be gone! Mw ha ha ha!"
14:29:05 <rdococ> "They would, but you forgot one thing." "What?!" "I've just disconnected you from your name. garbagecollection:collect()" "...Fuck."
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16:05:31 <moony> I've decided to write a bot that randomly chooses a topic from a list, and asks about it when a channel has been inactive for 5 minutes because why not
16:09:19 <Taneb> That sounds annoying
16:09:30 <Taneb> Could you make the timer a couple of hours instead?
16:09:48 <Taneb> Otherwise the channel's gonna be 90% your bot spamming things up
16:17:12 <fizzie> There's a lot of reasons[^1] why not, but if you're doing this on some other channel, knock yourself out. [^1] To name a few, it would entirely ruin activity indicators, and be really annoying for people who want to logread without a hundred lines of spam.
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16:54:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Aya]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51832&oldid=50988 * Npaul * (-4)
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18:10:55 <Zarutian> moony: you could increase the timer to 15 minutes
18:12:08 <zzo38> Fifteen minute is not enough you should need fifteen hours.
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19:11:17 <zzo38> This GURPS game is so far four character in main party, and so far only the two human characters is damaged the monster characters is not but we can try to find the barn to heal them. In one way is fortunate that only human character is damage because is probably more easily to find help; any healers (using non-magical methods) can have physiology penalties.
19:12:18 <zzo38> (Some skills in GURPS have physiology penalties for operating on different species.)
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21:14:05 <\oren\> RRGH why is there no open-source tax filing software
21:16:23 <zzo38> I have thought about that too.
21:16:44 <moony> \oren\, LETS MAKE ONE \s
21:16:45 <zzo38> I found a description written somewhere (on pin eight wiki I think?) that mentions a possible reason.
21:16:54 <zzo38> moony: Yes, but do you know how?
21:17:49 <moony> did you not see my \s?
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21:25:13 <\oren\> I was listening to the 1980 us election the other day. Apparently Ohio has been losing industrial jobs for 36 years
21:37:24 <\oren\> also holy shit chris wallace is older than fucking dirt
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21:54:53 <\oren\> actually, 2048 is a great election year, the only pwoer-of-two election year
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22:24:49 <\oren\> gabrielle cirulli for president 2048
22:30:23 <\oren\> shachaf: aww you didn't get it
22:31:01 <\oren\> 2048 is an USA election year and also a video game made by gabriele cirulli
22:32:59 <shachaf> But you're not in the US so why are US election years your thing?
22:33:20 <Taneb> They have olympics in them
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22:33:59 <shachaf> It's also a Finnish election year, for example.
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22:41:58 <\oren\> shachaf: because for us canadians, USA elections are things we watch for morbid entertainment
22:42:13 <shachaf> but you're a non-us canadian hth
22:42:32 <HackEgo> The US is the country opposed to the THEM.
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22:56:51 <HackEgo> preprocessor//Preprocessing code in C was actually the precursor to IRC & Twitter, and the first to kick off the hashtag craze.
22:59:38 <HackEgo> 10746:2017-04-16 <rdocöc> le//rn preprocessor//Preprocessing code in C was actually the precursor to IRC & Twitter, and the first to kick off the hashtag craze.
23:02:22 <int-e> I hope that wasn't superglue
23:02:44 <int-e> phew seems I'm still detached.
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23:04:41 <boily> if anything, you'd be glued to a pooch, which isn't half bad, eh?
23:07:46 <int-e> I don't particularly like dogs.
23:08:13 <int-e> But it doesn't matter now. I'm off to bed.
23:08:40 <HackEgo> int-e är inte svensk. Hen kommer att spränga solen. Hen står för sig själv. Hen gillar inte färger, men han gillar dissonans.
23:11:13 <HackEgo> epsilon//epsilon stands for Extensible Platform of Integrated Languages for Model Management (EPILMM)
23:11:20 <HackEgo> taiwan//Taiwan is a country of which the United Nations denies the existence, just like Macedonia is.
23:11:36 <HackEgo> ent//Ents are very useful creatures for the puzzle of writing town names in Hungary as the catenation of six or more Hungarian words. Bal-a-s-s-a-gyarmat Bal-a-ton-{s-zár-szó,{rend,szem}-e-s} Egy-ház-a-s-holló-s Fel-s-ősz-ent-már-ton Jász-ár-ok-száll-á-s Ki-s-kun-{fél-egy-ház-a,hal-a-s} Rá-basz-ent-mik-ló-s Vér-te-s-sző-lő-s.
23:11:41 <HackEgo> mark//A mark of one's destiny singled out alone, fulfilled.
23:11:49 <HackEgo> hat//hatee-hatee-hatee-hooo
23:12:21 <HackEgo> 4129:2013-12-05 <oerjän> echo "hatee-hatee-hatee-hooo" >wisdom/hat
23:12:48 <HackEgo> 5602:2015-06-17 <Tanëb> learn epsilon stands for Extensible Platform of Integrated Languages for Model Management (EPILMM)
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23:17:16 <boily> . o O ( oerjan did hat? I'm sure it's the kind of wisdom I do... )
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23:29:58 <HackEgo> patch//patch is the precursor to both perl and version control.
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