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00:41:15 <Remavas> oh you can get metars here? nice
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00:56:06 <moony> unsigned number x = 5; unsigned relative number y = x * x -> floor; // y is always equal to x*x -> floor, if x changes, y changes too
00:56:16 <moony> i had an idea, but still coming up with it
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00:58:25 <FireFly> see also reflexive programming, and spreadsheets
00:59:23 <FireFly> oh reactive programming, I meant
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01:00:57 <boily> reflexive programming is regular programming, with silent moments of contemplation...
01:02:51 <FireFly> if you show off your biceps, is that reflexive?
01:02:55 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EWagon]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51936&oldid=51935 * Timtomtoaster * (-70)
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01:05:05 <moony> FireFly, inspired by that, but as a optional feature
01:06:41 <moony> one of my main concepts is the use of 'transforms' instead of functions
01:06:55 <boily> biceps are strengthened by holding your head in your hands, when consternation overwhelms you.
01:07:15 <moony> instead of f(a, b, c) you'd do (a, b, c) -> f -> fs_output
01:07:58 <moony> (the -> fs_output part is optional)
01:08:26 <moony> want to clone something? x -> clone -> (y, z)
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01:33:00 <oerjan> fizzie: i believe int-e is no longer a CaC customer hth
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01:34:01 <shachaf> i,i Calculus and Constructions
01:34:44 <izabera> how does one stop being a cac customer?
01:41:15 <HackEgo> i,i is short for "I have wasps in my underwear, and I want to distract myself by saying".
01:41:18 <oerjan> izabera: int-e canceled his account when they started demanding a maintenance fee
01:41:49 <boily> hellørjan, izabellora, mhelloony.
01:42:14 <oerjan> it was inevitable, really, the whole thing was pyramid-scheme like
01:42:30 <shachaf> more ponzi than pyramid, isn't it
01:42:30 <izabera> i don't think you understand what a pyramid is
01:43:51 <oerjan> of course i understand, it's just a cone by a different name hth
01:44:02 <shachaf> it's more of a triangle scheme, really
01:44:08 <oerjan> and different default base shape
01:44:13 <shachaf> why don't they call it a tree scheme?
01:44:34 <shachaf> tree schemes are scow because the people at the leaves lose
01:44:44 <shachaf> that's why capitalism is based on a graph scheme with cycles
01:45:12 <FireFly> alternatively, everybody loses
01:45:16 <izabera> this is the best capitalist propaganda i've seen in a while
01:45:30 <oerjan> well the cycles cause trouble with garbage collection, obviously
01:45:53 <oerjan> ...you could think of the subprime mortgage crisis as a GC failure...
01:46:18 <izabera> it's just a stop the world gc
01:48:26 <oerjan> well, only when there are too many cycles for the reference counting to free stuff, obviously
01:49:48 <oerjan> . o O ( so, which GC scheme does communism use )
01:51:20 <HackEgo> RAII means you allocate in the constructor and deallocate in the destructor. There is no 'initializer' involved.
01:51:56 <oerjan> actually, probably something more inefficient.
01:52:21 <shachaf> `slwd raii//s,allocate in the constructor and ,,
01:52:25 <HackEgo> raii//RAII means you deallocate in the destructor. There is no 'initializer' involved.
01:52:46 <shachaf> I think that's more accurate in practice?
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01:55:17 <kmc> it's a stupid name at any rate
01:55:25 <kmc> b/c the destructor is the more interesting part
01:55:40 <kmc> there's nothing called an 'initializer' but you can say that the constructor does initialization
01:55:52 <kmc> (whether it's a special thing, as in C++, or just an ordinary function as in Rust)
01:56:23 <FireFly> How is RAII pronounced though?
02:00:54 <boily> you start off like "rail", but forget the "l".
02:01:50 <wob_jonas> boily: wouldn't that be like a ray?
02:02:03 <FireFly> that's what I was thinking
02:02:10 <shachaf> You start off like "raiil" but forget the "l".
02:05:40 <boily> it can't be a ray. it has a "y".
02:05:57 <boily> i,i ra ra rasputin.
02:06:09 <boily> (what the hell is "i,i" again...)
02:06:27 <HackEgo> i,i is short for "I have wasps in my underwear, and I want to distract myself by saying".
02:08:15 <boily> the "inb4 b&" I understand, but I still have no idea in fungot about "i,i".
02:08:15 <fungot> boily: there's really any degrees of truth which slimes and distracts from each and every value that's been given as an argument to foldl?
02:08:26 <boily> even though shachaf told me multiple times.
02:08:47 <shachaf> I don't like what it stands for, is the problem.
02:08:56 <shachaf> I,I looks like an owl face to me.
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05:59:12 <sleffy> So I'm writing up a basic-block style IR for my language. My dataflow graph internal to each basic block has initiators, transformers, and terminators, which receive changes in control flow (i.e. jumps jump to an initiator), transform data (e.g. add/sub) and terminate the basic block (transfer control to somewhere else.)
05:59:30 <sleffy> But I have a problem - terminators and transformers are both robots which tend to create significant collateral damage, and initiators are not.
05:59:43 <sleffy> Clearly this must be remedied
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07:33:36 <int-e> @tell boily vampiric members are invisible to reflection mechanisms
07:34:41 <int-e> fizzie: despite being no longer a CaC customer I'm still interested in hearing about all the ways in which they're strange or bad... I'm just no longer personally affected.
07:35:00 <int-e> and that graph looks very strange indeed
07:35:06 <izabera> what did they ask you to pay?
07:35:07 <int-e> maybye they're rotating VMs? :P
07:37:48 <int-e> izabera: They now have a $9/year "maintenance fee" if you only have "one time payment" plans. It's not all that much but just the idea of giving them my credit card information on a regular basis made me queasy :-P
07:39:05 <izabera> doesn't sound very one-timey
07:39:08 <int-e> izabera: also that's half of what the "lifetime" plan cost originally cost.
07:39:48 <int-e> ($35 for their cheapest offer, at a 50% discount, which they had almost permanently.)
07:42:44 <int-e> izabera: afaics the fee is per account though. *shrugs*
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08:14:38 <HackEgo> Your omnipheasant principal witty arrant darth oerjan the indecisive is a hazy expert in merry compaction. Also a Glaneep who disses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He twice punned without noticing it.
08:19:39 <shachaf> `swrjan s,pheasant,& back,
08:19:42 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your omnipheasant back principal witty arrant darth oerjan the indecisive is a hazy expert in merry compaction. Also a Glaneep who disses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He twice punned without noticing it.
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11:51:48 <lambdabot> int-e said 4h 18m 12s ago: vampiric members are invisible to reflection mechanisms
11:52:13 <boily> int-ello. makes sense.
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12:18:21 <boily> "the +10 battleaxe "Qael" (weapon) {chop, rElec}". mwah ah ah.
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13:30:19 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=51939&oldid=51937 * Somebody1234 * (+34)
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13:47:52 <kerbal> Would anyone be willing to create an Integ wiki page? For various reasons, I can't. I can supply the creator with any necessary info, though
13:48:22 <kerbal> Integ is my new esolang and can be found at https://github.com/kerbin111/Integ
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14:44:11 <wob_jonas> I just bought an Alcatel 2008G grandmaphone. I'm emphasizing the exact type Alcatel 2008G here because I want to give a negative review.
14:45:02 <wob_jonas> THIS PHONE USES A FONT THAT PROBABLY COVERS ONLY ISO-8859-1 AND SUBSTITUTES "ő" FROM ANOTHER FONT THAT LOOKS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. And it does have Hungarian localization, so it does use "ő" in menu entries.
14:45:29 <wob_jonas> You sometimes see that problem in computers with bad fonts, but I paid for this.
14:46:06 <kerbal> Substituting fonts looks weird
14:46:17 <wob_jonas> I should try one of the several noname brand phones the next time.
14:47:15 <wob_jonas> This sort of feels like a downgrade, because I'm replacing an older Alcatel grandmaphone model, and that one didn't have this font problem.
14:47:46 <wob_jonas> (On the upside, this one has a wriststrap hook hole in the chasis, the old one didn't.)
14:48:15 <kerbal> Why would anyone need a wriststrap?
14:48:36 <kerbal> It's a phone, not a Wiimote
14:49:38 <wob_jonas> kerbal: to not drop or lose the phone
14:49:55 <wob_jonas> wriststrap or neckstrap, either way, the hole is the same
14:50:37 <wob_jonas> (well, technically there are two kinds of neckstrap holes, but the bigger one is used only in heavier electronics like cameras)
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14:53:38 <wob_jonas> kerbal: it's an Alcatel 2008G, you can find what it looks like on the internet
14:53:53 <wob_jonas> not really brick, they make it way too light for that
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14:54:39 <kerbal> It sort of resembles a heavily used bar of soap, I guess
14:54:50 <wob_jonas> well, it is heavier than my phone, I admit
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15:09:37 <izabera> is there a c compiler on hackego?
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15:10:34 <izabera> `` echo -n >izash.c 'char s[99],*p[9],**q;main(){for(;putchar(36),q=p,*q++=strtok(gets(s)," ");fork()||execvp(*p,p),wait(0))for(;*q++=strtok(0," "););}'
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15:10:53 <HackEgo> <stdin>:1:1: error: expected identifier or ‘(’ before ‘-’ token \ compilation terminated due to -Wfatal-errors.
15:11:13 <HackEgo> <stdin>:1:1: error: expected identifier or ‘(’ before ‘--’ token \ compilation terminated due to -Wfatal-errors.
15:11:25 <HackEgo> /hackenv/bin/`: line 4: type: clang: not found \ gcc is /usr/bin/gcc
15:11:32 <izabera> `` gcc -w izash.c -o izash
15:11:37 <HackEgo> /tmp/cc5aVwZQ.o: In function `main': \ izash.c:(.text+0xa2): warning: the `gets' function is dangerous and should not be used.
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15:12:09 <izabera> `` ./izash <<< $' echo hello from izash!!! \n ls / \n pwd'
15:12:10 <HackEgo> hello from izash!!! \ bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr \ /hackenv \ $$$$
15:12:26 <izabera> guess i can remove the prompt for hackego
15:12:51 <izabera> `` echo -n >izash.c 'char s[99],*p[9],**q;main(){for(;q=p,*q++=strtok(gets(s)," ");fork()||execvp(*p,p),wait(0))for(;*q++=strtok(0," "););}'
15:12:55 <izabera> `` gcc -w izash.c -o izash
15:12:58 <HackEgo> /tmp/ccciTm61.o: In function `main': \ izash.c:(.text+0x98): warning: the `gets' function is dangerous and should not be used.
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15:16:09 <wob_jonas> izabera: yes, there is a C compiler
15:16:40 <wob_jonas> `! c #include <stdio.h> \n int main(void) { printf("hello, world,\\n"); return 0; }
15:22:21 <HackEgo> ! is a shell keyword \ ! is /hackenv/bin/!
15:22:35 <HackEgo> mv: missing destination file operand after ‘izash /hackenv/bin’ \ Try 'mv --help' for more information.
15:22:45 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `mv: not found
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16:43:38 <wob_jonas> I'm testing the grandmaphone further. Sadly the interface seems worse than that of the previous model.
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16:48:51 <wob_jonas> When entering text, the star button doesn't just switch between upper and lower case. It cycles around 37 modes, never skipping anything, the 37 being {english, polish, czech, hungarian, slovakian, romanian}*{smart, traditional}*{uppercase, lowercase, upper only at sentence start} + numeric.
16:50:06 <wob_jonas> So to switch to upper case, you have to hold down the star button to get a menu, then use the arrow buttons to go up from slovakian smart to hungarian uppercase.
16:52:32 <FireFly> izabera: executables with names longer than 8 characters considered harmful?
16:52:41 <wob_jonas> This seems like a really bad idea for a grandmaphone. My grandma will be cycling around random entry modes, in which acessing á and é requires a different number of keystrokes.
16:52:57 <FireFly> okay, more than 9 arguments? :P
16:53:28 <FireFly> or well 8 arguments + argv[0] I guess
16:54:03 <izabera> p[9] must be NULL for execve
16:54:11 <FireFly> ah right, that makes sense
16:54:47 <izabera> i mean p[8] but you got what i meant
16:55:14 <wob_jonas> Though I appreciate the fact that even in Hungarian modes, pressing 8 three times gives a letter "v". I don't know who invented the stupid keypress order "tuúüűv", but all the smses my grandma writes almost never have a letter "v", it has other letters substituted.
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19:09:28 <Vorpal> I'm utterly confused by some strange hardware(?) issues I'm having. I'm getting periodic timeouts from a single disk under Windows, booting to Linux, I can't reproduce the issue. Even tried attaching the disk to a Windows VM in Linux and running a similar workload, no issues
19:09:58 <wob_jonas> Vorpal: what sort of disk, attached through what sort of bus, and is your motherboard faulty?
19:10:17 <Vorpal> wob_jonas: WD something (let me check), SATA. 2 TB 7200 RPM disk
19:10:48 <wob_jonas> have you tried testing with another motherboard?
19:11:06 <Vorpal> wob_jonas: don't have that option, could try it via ESATA maybe
19:11:41 <wob_jonas> bad hard disks are usually not worth to debug, just replace it if it's really the disk, but you do have to check that it's not a motherboard problem.
19:12:20 <Vorpal> wob_jonas: I'm not sure it is the disk though, since it started about a week after getting my new graphics card
19:12:55 <Vorpal> I might go back to the old card to check if it is a power issue.
19:13:10 <Vorpal> annoying though, since I switched from AMD to nVidia
19:13:13 <wob_jonas> make sure your backups are up to date in any case, regardless if it's the disk or the motherboard
19:13:24 <Vorpal> of course my backups are up to date
19:13:48 <Vorpal> wob_jonas: why would it affect a particular disk and not the other 3 disks of the same model in the computer though?
19:14:11 <wob_jonas> I have a hard disk where I've got a disk error exactly twice in many years of use. it could be a motherboard problem though, I'm not sure.
19:14:13 <Vorpal> Tried moving the disks between different power connectors, didn't change a thing either
19:14:27 <Vorpal> And why not under Linux
19:15:42 <Vorpal> Yeah I guess I'll have to reinstall the old GPU for a bit and experiment with that. Problem is the issue mostly happen when under load, and I can't run many games on the old card. It was really old
19:17:02 <wob_jonas> I have to buy a new computer (has been due for like a year now), so that will work around the problems with this motherboard (there certainly are some, I'm just not sure the disk error was that),
19:17:36 <wob_jonas> and I'm no longer using that disk much anyway, simply because it's old and small (250 decimal gigabytes I think)
19:17:40 <Vorpal> I could try different sata cables too
19:18:28 <Vorpal> different mobo connector might work, since it isn't a boot disk. Moving boot disk around breaks UEFI boot records on my board and is annoying to fix
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22:15:46 <\oren\> Windows 10 supports 52,000 different unicode family emojis
22:16:12 <Taneb> I suspect that they aren't all hand designed
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22:18:41 <wob_jonas> The interface of this phone is even more horrible than I thought.
22:19:21 <\oren\> Taneb: they're composited with SVGs
22:19:54 <\oren\> soon emojis will be a polysynthetic language
22:19:56 <wob_jonas> If you choose an entry from the contacts list, you can't dial it by just pressing the green button, any number of times. If you do that, it just cycles between view, edit contact, save contact, in a loop of eventually 4 clicks.
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22:20:45 <wob_jonas> No combination of the green button or the ok button (which is in the middle of the directional buttons) helps either. The ok button just cycles more quickly.
22:21:14 <wob_jonas> Nor does pressing down in view contact mode to select the phone number line (as opposed to the name line) help.
22:21:55 <\oren\> You can't *yet* do BLACK HAIR LIGHT SKIN WOMAN GLARING + REDHEAD MEDIUM LIGHT SKIN MAN WITH RED SLAP MARK + BLONDE DARK SKIN WOMAN TIPPING HAND
22:22:31 <\oren\> and make a family out of them but soon, soon
22:22:45 <Taneb> Ugh, I'm getting really tired
22:22:48 <Taneb> I have an exam in the morning
22:23:12 <wob_jonas> You have to enter the menu by pressing the green button in the contact list, press down to select "call", then press the green button or the ok button; or press the green button in the contact view mode to open the menu, press up to select "call", then press the green button or the ok button.
22:23:27 <wob_jonas> Who invented this shit? My grandmother will be seriously confused.
22:23:39 <wob_jonas> The previous alcatel telephone she had has an actually good interface
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22:28:19 <wob_jonas> Have you ever seen such a stupid phone?
22:32:05 <wob_jonas> Also it seems I can't set an image as the on-screen image for calls in a contact if the JPEG image is larger than some limit that's between 16 kilobytes and 32 kilobytes. At least I think it's the file size that matters, it's hard to tell, all it says is not enough memory.
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22:56:06 <lambdabot> CYUL 182100Z 23021G28KT 15SM FEW050TCU FEW240 29/16 A2960 RMK TCU1CI1 SLP024 DENSITY ALT 2100FT
22:56:19 <boily> TCU. it's gonna +TSRA tonight baby!
22:56:51 <lambdabot> EGLL 182150Z AUTO 30004KT 9000 -RA BKN027 10/09 Q1011 TEMPO RA
22:57:05 <fizzie> Just -RA TEMPO RA here.
22:57:58 <lambdabot> LOWI 182150Z AUTO 12012G23KT 070V170 9999 FEW100 22/09 Q1012
22:58:58 <boily> biking with front wind, with pollen allergies, is fun!
22:59:05 * boily shakes his fist at the weather
22:59:07 <int-e> (well, this would be a nice temperature if it were daytime)
23:02:11 <HackEgo> do//Do or do not, there is no try.
23:02:19 <HackEgo> 611) <shachaf> You should get kmc in this channel. kmc has good quotes. <shachaf> `quote kmc <HackEgo> 686) <kmc> COCKS [...] <kmc> truly cocks <shachaf> Well, in theory.
23:02:20 <boily> QUINTHELLOPIA! I'm overheating, sneezing, hurting, sniffing and complaining!
23:02:39 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: don: not found
23:03:03 <quintopia> oh has spring only just sprung up there?
23:06:37 <HackEgo> 676) <fungot> elliott: to be honest, it doesn't exist in a state of almost perpetual stalemate, and expands to a larger board and more exotic collection of what he refers to as a thermal hull, instead of some kind of clock pun. no, dammit, will this breakfast injure his shrill, bearded, scraggly old men in space. jade's radioactive, omnipotent, spa
23:07:58 <quintopia> i cant find the nearest weather station
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23:09:53 <boily> quintopia: you'ren't atlanting?
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23:10:40 <boily> int-ello. not quite hth
23:12:06 <lambdabot> KVJI 182155Z AUTO 28008G15KT 10SM SCT100 28/16 A3009 RMK AO2 T02830160
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23:19:44 <HackEgo> 961) <kmc> living in the middle ages sounds a lot better once you realize that deep frying had already been invented
23:20:16 <lambdabot> CYYZ 182200Z 24027G37KT 15SM FEW040CB 29/15 A2965 RMK CB2 LN CB NW-NE SLP039 DENSITY ALT 2600FT
23:29:29 <\oren\> WHO PUT FRENCH VANILA COFFEE IN THE COFEE MACHINE
23:29:38 <\oren\> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
23:34:02 <boily> he\\oren\. there are people out there who disrespect coffee.
23:42:04 <\oren\> ARGH teh pantry has vanilla and mapple coffee gorunds!
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23:55:46 <\oren\> I need gordon ramsay to come here and explain what good coffee is supposed to be like
23:56:10 <HackEgo> RAII means you deallocate in the destructor. There is no 'initializer' involved.
23:56:28 <\oren\> shachaf: tea is not cafenated enuf