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00:00:10 <shachaf> In particular the ח put inside the ש
00:01:31 <wob_jonas> is that symbol printed on shekel banknotes?
00:02:41 <shachaf> I'm not sure.
00:02:50 <wob_jonas> I don't understand why there are custom symbols for so many currencies by the way. Why not use just some letter combo abbreviation like for other things?
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00:09:39 <wob_jonas> Though I guess a few other measurement units use custom symbols too: the degree symbol is used for various units called degrees, and the prime and double prime are used for various stuff, and I think there was one or two more obscure symbols too.
00:10:32 <boily> ℥ is a nice symbol.
00:10:47 <wob_jonas> boily: oh right, I forgot that one because I don't see it getting used
00:11:06 <shachaf> `icode ℥
00:11:07 <HackEgo> ​[U+2125 OUNCE SIGN]
00:11:26 <\oren\> Hmm, I no longer consider it a coincidence. I am better at programming when I reduce my font size
00:11:38 <boily> he\\oren\. eh?
00:11:54 <wob_jonas> also, some people write ℓ instead of l for a liter (and some write L)
00:12:22 <wob_jonas> \oren\: with your good font, right?
00:12:30 <shachaf> wob_jonas: When I measure speeds, should I use Hz?
00:12:36 <\oren\> wob_jonas: yeah and this high dpi mintor
00:12:40 <\oren\> monitor
00:13:04 <boily> handwritten ℓ is useful to distinguish the unit from 1, l and other hambiguitous things.
00:13:04 <shachaf> 2 MBHz
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00:13:29 <boily> 2 mega Bel per second?
00:13:53 <shachaf> Logarithmic units are TG
00:14:00 <\oren\> I was struggling to translate this perl script into C++. I reduced font size to get more of the code on my screen and suddenly I fixed all the segafults in half an hour and it now works.
00:14:05 <wob_jonas> shachaf: for speeds, use m/s, except when it's speed limit for motor vehicles, in which case use whichever one of km/h or mi/h is generally used for labels of the speedometer of the car
00:14:10 <shachaf> mHz
00:14:24 <shachaf> Measure acceleration in mHz/s
00:14:40 <wob_jonas> \oren\: nice
00:14:54 <wob_jonas> I don't like too small fonts, but that's partly because I'm myopic and don't have a perfect vision
00:15:50 <wob_jonas> well, I do have a perfect vision with glasses by the technical definition, as proven repeatedly in the optometrist examinations, but a worse vision still than some other programmers
00:16:30 <\oren\> I have bad vision at distances but up close I can handle very small font sizes
00:17:16 <wob_jonas> The other part I don't get is how some people can work with the sun glaring directly into the monitor, or with the sun shining in brightly through a window from right ahead of you from the same direction as the monitor, or in a very dark room with a bright monitor.
00:17:22 <wob_jonas> But I've seen people do each of those.
00:17:46 <\oren\> I much prefer a bright, bright monitor and no light apart from it
00:17:57 <wob_jonas> \oren\: yes, since I'm myopic, I also have a worse vision in a distance (unless I wear contacts, which I don't do these days)
00:18:17 <boily> 20/20 vision, 20/10 with rice.
00:18:32 <wob_jonas> I prefer a rather dark monitor. I somewhat vary the darkness depending on whether it's the day or night, but it's dark in either case.
00:21:23 <wob_jonas> Ideally the daylight should come from the side and the window somewhat shaded so the light is scattered rather than glaring from one direction, but this is often not practical.
00:21:57 <wob_jonas> And of course neither the lighting nor the monitor should flicker, because that's really annoying.
00:22:07 <shachaf> \oren\: Did you fix your build system yet?
00:23:13 <wob_jonas> The monitor part has gotten easier these days: instead of old small CRTs, we got better CRTs then later TFT monitors; the lighting gets worse though, with all the fancy fluorescent lighting and leds instead of proper conventional and halogen bulbs.
00:24:17 <\oren\> shachaf: no, but luckily the build system wasn't involved here
00:24:45 <\oren\> it's just a perl script, and i translated it into a C++ program with just the standard liberry
00:24:51 <wob_jonas> Also bigger TFT monitors, which is nice.
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00:28:41 <shachaf> \oren\: Hopefully your build system is involved with both Perl and C++ code?
00:30:22 <\oren\> no, this tool doesn't get used in the build system, neither does the build use it
00:30:49 <\oren\> it's totally separate, and is instead part of a system that will get built with bjam
00:30:51 <shachaf> OK, but you still build it.
00:31:12 <shachaf> oh no, is this boost
00:31:13 <\oren\> yeah I build it by saying g++ main.cpp
00:31:27 <\oren\> that's all
00:31:52 <\oren\> bjam will probably just do that
00:32:29 <shachaf> scrap it
00:32:40 <\oren\> hwats wrong with bjam
00:32:50 <\oren\> it's better than our inhouse thing
00:32:58 <shachaf> everything is bad
00:33:07 <shachaf> why don't you invent a new system which is good instead of bad
00:33:33 <\oren\> lol who has time to do that
00:33:40 <wob_jonas> shachaf: I think making a good build system is a REALLY hard problem
00:33:59 <wob_jonas> like, harder than making good versions of other programming support tools
00:35:08 <shachaf> Right, but \oren\ is "an excellent software developer", so he's well-suited for the task.
00:36:44 <\oren\> rather than mocking me for putting that, you hould go and put "an amazing software developer" on your linked in
00:36:59 <shachaf> I'm not mocking you.
00:37:37 <shachaf> It's gentle prodding at best.
00:37:41 <shachaf> Is that the right word?
00:37:46 <\oren\> yeah
00:37:53 <shachaf> Why should I do that?
00:38:02 <shachaf> Maybe I should delete my LinkedIn account instead
00:38:05 <\oren\> so people know haw awesome you are
00:38:26 <shachaf> What should I do with my life?
00:38:31 <\oren\> and great at writing progams
00:40:46 <shachaf> Am I?
00:40:59 <shachaf> I mean... I've shavented some pretty good HackEgo programs.
00:42:57 <shachaf> I guess I've shavented some other good software.
00:44:29 <\oren\> see? 元気を出して!
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00:45:37 <shachaf> When are you moving to America?
00:46:07 <Warrigal_> So, is ZFC arithmetically sound?
00:46:21 <shachaf> I looked at healthcare costs for me. It looks like, with the ACA, I can put an upper bound at, say, $10k/year
00:46:33 <shachaf> Including insurance premia and other costs.
00:46:45 <Warrigal_> I figure the arithmetic soundness of ZFC is about on par with Goldbach's conjecture, as far as certainty goes.
00:50:40 <oerjan> @metar ENVA
00:50:40 <lambdabot> ENVA 112320Z 32004KT 9999 FEW017 BKN053 12/10 Q1003 RMK WIND 670FT 33006KT
00:50:53 <shachaf> @metar KOAK
00:50:53 <lambdabot> KOAK 112253Z 29012KT 10SM CLR 22/12 A2991 RMK AO2 SLP128 T02220117 $
00:52:07 <oerjan> which part says that it's pouring down
00:52:47 <shachaf> it's not hth
00:52:50 <shachaf> @metar KSJC
00:52:50 <lambdabot> KSJC 112253Z 31012KT 10SM CLR 28/13 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP116 T02830133
00:52:54 <boily> shavented?
00:52:56 <boily> @metar CYUL
00:52:57 <lambdabot> CYUL 112300Z 22012KT 15SM FEW035 BKN130 BKN240 24/18 A2984 RMK CU1AC5CI2 CU TR SLP108 DENSITY ALT 1300FT
00:52:58 <fizzie> @metar EGLL
00:52:58 <lambdabot> EGLL 112320Z VRB03KT 8000 -RA BKN004 15/15 Q1005 TEMPO RA
00:53:11 <fizzie> -RA TEMPO RA, I guess that's pretty close.
00:53:14 <boily> fizziello. 15/15. bletch.
00:53:35 <fizzie> I'm very happy about it, it's been like >27 inside for a week now.
00:53:43 <fizzie> Now it's at least down to 25.
00:54:33 <fizzie> In other news, I'm getting ticked off by this: http://sprunge.us/MNiZ
00:55:05 <\oren\> what about it?
00:55:11 <shachaf> The order?
00:55:19 <fizzie> The fact that there's so many of them.
00:55:24 <fizzie> Chromium downloads a new copy every time I start it.
00:55:32 <shachaf> https://www.nikhef.nl/~jo/quantum/qm/thermo/ just has one of them.
00:55:32 <shachaf> hth
00:55:33 <\oren\> ugh
00:55:40 <oerjan> shachaf: i meant here in ENVAland hth
00:55:44 <fizzie> I've tried to quit by closing each tab one by one, but it didn't help.
00:55:46 <shachaf> fizzie: You should set it to ask before saving.
00:56:06 <fizzie> I guess I should try disabling the saving thing.
00:57:09 <oerjan> `# boily: //`? shaventions
00:57:10 <HackEgo> Shaventions include: before/now/lastfiles, culprits, hog/{h,d}oag, le//rn, tmp/, mk/mkx, sled/sedlast, spore/spam/speek/sport/1/4/5, edit. Taneb did not invent them yet.
00:58:22 <shachaf> Maybe we should ban `edit
00:58:41 <oerjan> then we'd have to ban `fetch too
00:58:48 <boily> `? tanebventions
00:58:49 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, mushrooms, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex.
00:59:08 <oerjan> `? cognac
00:59:08 <HackEgo> cognac? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:59:16 <shachaf> oh man
00:59:19 <shachaf> i'm going to get it
00:59:30 <shachaf> `` dowg | grep cognac
00:59:36 <HackEgo> 10525:2017-03-27 <shachäf> slwd tanebvention//s/, pr/, cognac, pr/
00:59:46 <\oren\> cog nac
01:00:01 <shachaf> false cognac
01:00:47 <oerjan> `learn Cognac is named for its strong cognitive effects. Taneb invented it, then somehow managed to keep it off the illegal drugs list.
01:00:49 <HackEgo> Learned 'cognac': Cognac is named for its strong cognitive effects. Taneb invented it, then somehow managed to keep it off the illegal drugs list.
01:01:20 <shachaf> Does Taneb invent things involving drugs and crime?
01:02:07 <oerjan> well he invented mushrooms...
01:02:25 <shachaf> `? mushrooms
01:02:26 <HackEgo> mushrooms? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:02:31 <shachaf> Hmm.
01:03:02 <shachaf> `? this sentence
01:03:03 <HackEgo> This sentence is just. Taneb invented it.
01:03:17 <shachaf> `? the bbc
01:03:18 <HackEgo> the bbc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:03:20 <shachaf> `? bbc
01:03:21 <HackEgo> The BBC is the BreadBox Corporation. Its inventions include, without limitation, Muppets, tiny elfs, villages in Norway, and inventors of all things. Taneb invented it.
01:03:40 <shachaf> `? tanebventions: math
01:03:41 <HackEgo> Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, Stone spaces, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms.
01:03:46 <shachaf> Taneb: please invent some more maths twh
01:03:53 <shachaf> `? algebraic geometry
01:03:54 <HackEgo> Algebraic geometry is so complicated that Taneb had to take an exam in it before he could invent it.
01:04:08 <shachaf> `? necessity
01:04:09 <HackEgo> If necessity did not exist, it would be necessary for Taneb to invent it.
01:04:12 <shachaf> `? invention
01:04:13 <HackEgo> invention? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:04:46 <shachaf> `learn Invention is the daughter of necessity.
01:04:48 <HackEgo> Learned 'invention': Invention is the daughter of necessity.
01:05:35 <Warrigal_> `? god
01:05:36 <HackEgo> god? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:05:46 <oerjan> `gowd god
01:05:47 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: gowd: not found
01:05:55 <oerjan> `dowg god
01:06:02 <HackEgo> 10533:2017-03-27 <shachäf> forget god \ 10532:2017-03-27 <oerjän> slwd god//s,$,., \ 7437:2016-04-17 <b_jonäs> learn GOD is GOD over djinn
01:06:11 <oerjan> thought so.
01:07:31 <shachaf> You can undo 10533 if you want to.
01:08:45 <wob_jonas> `? munch
01:08:46 <HackEgo> munch? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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11:54:30 <hppavilion[1]> boily: I felt that.
11:54:45 <int-e> but did you see who did it?
12:08:09 <erkin> I fell that
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15:51:07 <izabera> just read this AlongPSEUDOrandomSENTENCEisAmoreSECUREkeyTHANrandomSHORTascii
15:51:35 <izabera> someone was trying to explain the need for better passwords
15:51:56 <izabera> what's the actual entropy of that?
15:52:55 <izabera> english words in a sentence that makes sense, with an easy to remember pattern to capitalize some letters
15:55:00 <FireFly> probably better than a short password given the number of words, even if they're correlated
15:55:33 <fizzie> I seem to recall Shannon's classic number is something like 11 bits/word.
16:04:22 <izabera> that google thing is scary good at predicting words
16:09:58 <Cale> izabera: somewhat relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/936/
16:10:50 <Cale> Of course, the entropy of subsequent words in a grammatically correct or semantically meaningful sentence is significantly lower
16:11:40 <izabera> http://i.imgur.com/cnbe0KQ.png
16:17:05 <Cale> izabera: of course, those particular 4 words are famous now
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19:24:35 <wob_jonas> `? method
19:24:36 <HackEgo> A method is a tweaked out mothod.
19:26:50 <shachaf> `? mothod
19:26:51 <HackEgo> mothod? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:26:59 <shachaf> `? mother
19:27:00 <HackEgo> A mother is a person who practices mothology.
19:27:04 <shachaf> `? mothoid
19:27:05 <HackEgo> mothoid? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:27:09 <shachaf> `? mothology
19:27:10 <HackEgo> Mothology is the study of moths, myths and mirths.
19:27:13 <wob_jonas> `? moth
19:27:14 <HackEgo> Moths are the main ingredient of mothballs.
19:27:45 <shachaf> why is this channel obsessed with moths twh
19:28:07 <wob_jonas> `? marmot
19:28:08 <HackEgo> marmot? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:28:10 <wob_jonas> `? marmoth
19:28:10 <HackEgo> marmoth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:28:13 <wob_jonas> `? mammoth
19:28:14 <HackEgo> mammoth? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:28:34 <APic> 😎
19:30:31 <shachaf> A mammoth is a moth which is also a mother.
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19:33:39 <FireFly> heh
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19:38:31 <shachaf> FireFly: you're a sort of moth, aren't you
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20:02:37 <FireFly> I leave the moth-ing to lynn
20:06:12 <shachaf> is lynn still in here
20:06:18 * lynn flutters
20:06:33 <shachaf> hi lynn
20:06:42 <lynn> hi shachaf!
20:06:49 <shachaf> Watch out for oerjan's swatter.
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20:08:38 <FireFly> Good tip, I've had bad experiences with that swatter
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21:07:13 <GeekDude> Why am I here?
21:07:41 <GeekDude> What is this place o-o
21:08:28 <shachaf> oerjan asks himself the same question every day.
21:30:10 <olsner> what question though?
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22:57:27 <Cale> olsner: that one.
22:57:41 <shachaf> Cale: Do you like this?
22:57:56 <shachaf> `? Cale
22:57:56 <HackEgo> Cale? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
22:58:05 <shachaf> how come you don't have a wisdom entry tdnh
22:58:27 <wob_jonas> `? cale
22:58:28 <HackEgo> cale? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
22:59:00 <Cale> What do I do if my wisdom is continually being consumed by the void? hm
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23:01:31 <Cale> `? Do you like this?
23:01:32 <HackEgo> Do you like this?? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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23:21:18 <Cale> `? dylt
23:21:19 <HackEgo> dylt? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
23:21:51 <shachaf> idnltsia
23:21:55 <shachaf> idnlgeah
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23:28:48 <wob_jonas> `? fold
23:28:49 <HackEgo> fold? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
23:28:49 <wob_jonas> `? foldl
23:28:50 <HackEgo> foldl? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
23:28:51 <wob_jonas> `? foldr
23:28:52 <HackEgo> foldr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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