00:04:04 <moony> well the build process seems to insist on making the kernel 32bit but everything else 64bit
00:07:49 <fizzie> I don't know how you specify the host architecture for the kernel build, and I don't have any notes on how I built my test setup.
00:08:44 <moony> oh i figured it out. SUBARCH=x86_64
00:08:54 <fizzie> I'm pretty sure I just did "make ARCH=um", and got a 64-bit executable out.
00:09:05 <moony> fizzie, for me it insists on 32bit on a 64bit box :P
00:11:31 <fizzie> Looks like that has quasi-recently changed as well.
00:15:20 <fizzie> From arch/x86/um/Makefile, it looks more like it depends on if CONFIG_X86_32 is set or not.
00:15:57 <fizzie> Well, I'unno. Maybe that's indirectly from SUBARCH.
00:24:29 <moony> fizzie, thanks for the help. Works now :D
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04:12:58 <rdococ> Concept: Programming language which forces CPS on all programs written in it.
04:15:12 <zzo38> Do you have some idea how that might be done?
04:16:38 <rdococ> Well, I was planning on attempting to combine CPS with coroutines, rather than subroutines.
04:17:20 <rdococ> Then again, there probably wouldn't be much of a difference anyway.
04:17:48 <rdococ> Anyway, a possible method of forcing CPS would be to halt the program on a function return.
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04:42:29 <moony> fizzie, yes, im bugging you again, but how is hackego's env set up? -B is obviously unsecure (i checked)
04:42:47 <moony> wait.. oh dev files dont translate outwards do they?
04:50:17 <zzo38> Is there any hardware implementation of MIX (including punch cards and that stuff)?
04:53:33 <ais523> rdococ: I've been working on one of those
04:53:41 <ais523> I'm not happy with the details but they're details unrelated to CPS
04:54:01 <ais523> if you're interested in just the CPS stuff, I can write up what I have so far (but not tonight)
04:55:52 <ais523> well, you said you were interested in a language which forces CPS
04:56:06 <ais523> so I could write an article on my language that does that, even though it doesn't do other things I wanted it to
04:58:32 <rdococ> I was planning on creating a language which forces CPS, but I don't want you to write an article on it if you don't want to.
04:58:47 <rdococ> Anyway, what other things do you want it to do?
04:59:24 <ais523> I wanted it to naturally have efficient (eigenratio 1) self-interpreters
04:59:37 <ais523> also a few syntax requirements but those are easy
05:00:05 <ais523> (in particular, a syntax that makes self-interpreters as simple as possible to write)
05:04:55 <Jafet> <moony> sooner or later someone is gonna patent air and make people pay fees to breath — http://theineptowl.com/2013/02/07/businessman-sells-canned-air-china-cocacola-pepsi-nestle-vie-patent/
05:06:26 <zzo38> What is "eigenratio"?
05:06:55 <Jafet> (ok, according to real news sites, there wasn't actually any patent being sold)
05:07:50 <Jafet> (that is, they do not mention patent rights anywhere)
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05:12:02 <ais523> zzo38: you can run a self-interpreter on itself, and then run a self-interpreter on that, etc., to make a chain of self-interpreters; the eigenratio is the limit of the ratio between the performance of a self-interpreter stack of size n and a self-interpreter stack of size n+1
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05:12:38 <ais523> i.e. it measures how much slower a language is interpreted compared to running natively
05:15:15 <zzo38> What is the measure of the performance going to be? MMIX has two kind of time units ("oops" and "mems"), for example. Some programming languages don't specify any kind of timing. Does it even matter?
05:17:32 <HackEgo> #!/bin/bash \ cmd="${1-quote}" \ TIMEFORMAT="real: %lR, user: %lU, sys: %lS" \ shopt -s extglob globstar \ eval -- "$cmd" | rnooodl
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07:02:38 <rdococ> In a CPS environment, would it be best to have functions that take in the continuation as their first, or last, argument?
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07:09:00 <int-e> last, if you want partial application
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07:19:49 <imode> https://repl.it/KHrj welp. serializing stuff works.
07:20:25 <imode> very happy about that.
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07:24:03 <imode> my encoding is definitely more trim than python's method, though I'm missing a few things (like rounding up to the nearest byte when finding the whole length of the series of paths.)
07:32:21 <rdococ> int-e: Is partial application required for effective computation in CPS?
07:32:43 <rdococ> I'm attempting to create an example of the "while" construct created in my upcoming CPS-only esolang.
07:36:34 <int-e> I think some sort of closures is required, and partial application can be viewed as an implementation of closures.
07:37:21 <rdococ> Actually, that's true (what /was/ I thinking?)
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07:53:50 <rdococ> You know, the continuations in CPS are just like callbacks.
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08:11:35 <rdococ> Hmm. I haven't come up with a name yet. Maybe "Continue" - ooh, what about "CC"?
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08:24:59 <rdococ> The urge is rising to add self-deprecatory sarcasm to my esolang articles.
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10:43:21 <rdococ> Is Newbiefuck ( http://esolangs.org/wiki/Newbiefuck ) Turing complete?
10:59:34 <zseri> Are the '[]' commands in Newbiefuck a do-while loop?
11:04:19 <fizzie> @tell moony https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot/src/tip/multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox -- and no, /dev nodes are basically just a name for a (major, minor) pair, and don't magically translate to host devices, /dev is just hostfs-mounted to get /dev/null &c. easily.
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11:30:09 <rdococ> zseri: Think they are.
11:30:23 <rdococ> Newbiefuck is the same thing as Brainfuck, except that [ is a NOP.
11:30:41 <rdococ> Which eliminates what is effectively the while conditional check at the beginning of the while loop.
11:35:11 <Jafet> (newbiefuck? what next, studentfuck? amateurfuck?)
11:35:58 <Jafet> anyway, I thought that newbiefuck would be the variant where ] goes back to the nearest [
11:46:16 <rdococ> That could be studentfuck or amateurfuck.
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12:22:36 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[HI9+]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52734&oldid=52733 * Rdococ * (+1) Syntactic errors, also known as syntactic lava.
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14:02:02 <HackEgo> 2/2: coptanalysis. \ nano//nano is vi's sister. \ bookwatching//bookwatching is when you conflagrate birdwatching and the books used to identify them in the same object. \ extreme irony//Extreme irony is what happens when you get a Darwin award for extreme ironing.
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14:37:38 <boily> dhelloesthiswork. that is one ugly palindrome.
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14:39:44 <int-e> ><> is a nicer one.
14:41:51 <int-e> . o O ( that is, we have palindromic fish: ><> >(> ... even )(() looks a bit fishy... but can we make palindromic chicken? )
14:44:41 <HackEgo> palindrome:A palindrome is a word that remains the same if you take it to the mirror dimension, and then take each individual letter back to the normal dimension separately.
14:45:12 <HackEgo> [U+064A ARABIC LETTER YEH]
14:47:30 <int-e> I guess 鶏 would be palindromic.
14:48:30 <boily> single characters are cheating.
14:50:20 <int-e> Do Ara taste like chicken?
14:51:55 <int-e> wow, shachaf should love this palindrome: "POOCHCOOP"
14:53:57 <int-e> @google aibohphobia
14:53:59 <lambdabot> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aibohphobia
14:56:23 <int-e> "poop – a raised deck at the stern of a ship; various other meanings"
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18:32:41 <zzo38> Oops I found a few other bugs in my MIX assembler; "CON -0" results in positive zero by mistake, and equal sign expressions will make multiple copies of the same expression instead of just one; that is in addition to needing to add support for base other than base 100.
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20:14:52 <zzo38> Now I wrote the implementation of Deadfish on MIX.
20:20:43 <zzo38> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#MIX_.28Knuth.29
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23:02:46 <zzo38> I tried to make the calculation listed in the Wikipedia article about "Midheaven", but sometimes the result is in the wrong quadrant.
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23:52:18 <zzo38> How to compute the position of the International Space Station?
23:56:51 <zzo38> I found "statistics as of 9 March 2011" on Wikipedia, but they do not match the elements needed by Swiss Ephemeris in the seorbel.txt file.