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00:23:37 <\oren\> oerjan: did u know, that in addition to being a mathematician, mandelbrot is also a delicious almond flavoured cookie?
00:27:09 <shachaf> benoit was an entity of many talents
00:30:44 <boily> pastries are fundamentally mathematical
00:31:33 <oerjan> \oren\: i did, since i somewhat understand german
00:32:03 <oerjan> (also since the norwegian cognate is mandelbrød)
00:32:17 <oerjan> i suppose i may not have known it was a cookie specifically.
00:34:04 <oerjan> and going from the google hits, the norwegian word doesn't refer to that.
00:35:25 <oerjan> i think i'll have to summarize that as "no".
01:38:42 * moonythedwarf now has the rust compiler enviornment working in his linux sandbox bot for the users to use)
01:40:29 <^v> moonythedwarf, lol better be a good sandbox
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01:48:22 <boily> bonsoœøırjan, QUINTHELLOPIA, mhelloonythellodwarf, ^hellov.
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02:26:33 <Warrigal_> You should have said "nope, must be a different oren" on the other server.
02:32:18 <boily> you will only perceive different orens depending on your clearance level. unauthorized access entails class A amnestics.
02:33:56 <Warrigal_> There's actually only one oren, and that oren is only connected to one server, but it's possible to "see" oren on multiple different servers due to optical effects.
02:34:08 <Warrigal_> You know. Internet refraction and all that.
02:34:37 <\oren\> Technically, I'm only connected to my website's server, and then the irc program is running on that.
02:34:58 <HackEgo> \oren\ is an attempt to improve upon oren. The only thing it actually improved was name recognizability, and it made everything else... unenthickenable, eh?
02:35:04 <zzo38> Internet refraction?
02:35:42 <boily> `slwd \oren\//s/attempt/optical attempt/
02:35:43 <HackEgo> \oren\//\oren\ is an optical attempt to improve upon oren. The only thing it actually improved was name recognizability, and it made everything else... unenthickenable, eh?
02:36:40 <boily> hezzo38. swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.
02:46:21 <moonythedwarf> we need to make a glob alias (if thats possible) that turns itself into a list of my usernames
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03:02:33 <boily> you have to be yourself first, not the persons who are you. a strong identity by itself is its own personal self.
03:04:37 <zzo38> I think that is not relevant to that?
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03:22:07 <HackEgo> moon//moon is often named the following: moonythedwarf moonythehuman moonheart08 moony moon__ computing and luxon, making porthellos and @tells a real pain
03:23:09 <HackEgo> ☾_ \ ciol \ #esoteric \ moon \ pluto
03:23:21 <HackEgo> ciol is a language designed by moon_, it started as a scheme to annoy colleagues by making a programming language that has insults as commands.
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10:29:00 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Ly]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52885&oldid=52769 * LyricLy * (+203)
10:31:15 <rdococ> I would be lying if I didn't find that esolang name really susceptible to many kinds of badly made puns.
10:32:49 <rdococ> holy crap, the user list is what, 90% spambots?!
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11:50:33 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52886&oldid=52870 * Rdococ * (+1) Removed a [[Typespam]] duplicate from "Non-alphabetic", added mindscrew.
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11:52:48 <rdococ> concept: brainfuck on a stack
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11:57:21 <boily> rdococ: what's your instruction set?
11:57:36 <rdococ> for brainfuck on a stack, or mindscrew?
11:58:52 <boily> for your brainfuck on a stick.
11:59:33 <rdococ> I'm not sure, it was just a random thing (that has already been created multiple times by the looks of the stack-based category)
12:00:11 <boily> well, there may be some historical precedent...
12:00:43 <rdococ> how about a swap instruction that, when first called, swaps the top element of the stack with the tail of the stack, and the second time it's called, reverses that action? (then third time does it again, etc.)
12:01:26 <rdococ> so, on the nth time it is called, if n is odd then it swaps the head of the stack with the tail of the stack, but if it's odd then it swaps the bottom element in the stack to the top.
12:01:54 <boily> that's having a register.
12:02:34 <rdococ> which doesn't sound too bad of an idea, actually.
12:03:01 * boily throws a ninja smoke bomb. be back tonight.
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13:19:13 <rdococ> `le//rn rdocco//Rdocco Coffee is a well-known brand of coffee in Universe M-7, and does not contain a highly lethal substance engineered to cause bullet time and addiction.
13:19:15 <HackEgo> Learned 'rdocco': Rdocco Coffee is a well-known brand of coffee in Universe M-7, and does not contain a highly lethal substance engineered to cause bullet time and addiction.
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13:29:25 <HackEgo> A feather is something that can be found on most birds. It is responsible for their ability to not spontaneously float, seeing as how feathers are made of osmium. Penguins and ostriches have more feathers than most other birds, many of which are internal.
13:29:35 <HackEgo> A feather is something that can be found on most birds. It is responsible for their ability to not spontaneously float, seeing as how feathers are made of osmium. Penguins and ostriches have more feathers than most other birds, many of which are internal.
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14:36:07 * rdococ is still thinking on how Brainfuck with floats could work.
14:36:37 <rdococ> Maybe / should divide the value by 2, and * should multiply it? It'd be like dec/increasing the exponent.
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15:04:36 <rdococ> Concept: using unevaluated expressions as anonymous functions
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15:31:26 <rdococ> Concept: Bit operations that work on bignums.
15:31:36 <rdococ> They would assume an infinite number of bits.
15:32:03 <rdococ> e.g. value >> shift would be math.floor(value / 2^shift)
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16:04:47 <rdococ> hi humans. hi TieSoul.
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16:57:48 <zzo38> My extension to the MMIX simulation has been added into the webpage for MMIX extensions.
16:58:47 <rdococ> Next on the todo list is creating an extension for the webpage for MMIX extensions.
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17:47:38 <\oren\> EEEEEECCCCLIIIPSSSEE TODAY
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18:04:43 <moony> i know. I wont really get to see it ):
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18:26:45 <HackEgo> zseri: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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18:55:54 <\oren\> right now it looks like someone took a bite out of the sun
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19:22:26 <\oren\> http://imgur.com/ncZlg6u
19:22:47 <\oren\> pools of light thru my grapevine are crescent shaped!
19:34:59 <imode> yay! I'm not the only one!
19:44:20 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: yay: not found
19:44:29 <rdococ> we need a `yay command right now.
20:12:48 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: nay: not found
20:13:10 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pay: not found
20:13:22 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: may: not found
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20:38:40 <doesthiswork> all the birds flew to their sleeping tree and then two minutes later they fleww out again
20:39:21 <doesthiswork> "hey get out of my sun" "no you get out of my sun"
20:43:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * OliverB * New user account
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21:23:19 <wob_jonas> “Your password must be at least 8 characters long, cannot be the same as your login name, must have lowercase and uppercase letters and at least two digits, and it can't contain the "@" character.” Stop with these random different arbitrary restrictions on password formats already!
21:24:03 <HackEgo> 80) <AnMaster> fungot!*@* added to ignore list. <fungot> AnMaster: i'd find that a bit annoying to wait for an ack. \ 226) <elliott> lol @ closed character set standard <elliott> "What does this codepoint represent?" "Nobody knows." \ 446) <oerjan> sllide: @ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour \ 494) <CakeProphet> monqy: help how do I us
21:24:04 <TieSoul> how does that restriction make any semblance of sense
21:24:30 <TieSoul> perhaps passwords with @ break the system, and the system is just horribly implemented
21:24:53 <wob_jonas> but it's at least better if they tell that in advance than if I get a random error message with no explanation for why it doesn't like your password
21:25:21 <TieSoul> I saw a screenshot recently where "Your password is already taken."
21:25:39 <wob_jonas> They probably don't break the system because they check that the character isn't there and fail early. It's probably backslashes or apostrophes that break their system, if anything.
21:26:24 <wob_jonas> Oh, it also says the password cannot contain accented letters.
21:26:37 <TieSoul> I sure love arbitrary password restrictions
21:27:15 <rdococ> I'm still upset over the fact that "£" is not in ASCII.
21:27:24 <TieSoul> really the only restrictions in there that make sense are "at least 8 characters long and not identical to username"
21:28:03 <TieSoul> is the euro sign in ASCII? don't think so right
21:28:26 <TieSoul> did the euro even exist when ASCII was made
21:29:06 <Taneb> Anyone here planning to go to ICFP this year?
21:30:05 <TieSoul> well, especially considering I just learned about ICFP, no.
21:30:28 <Taneb> Ha, fair enough :)
21:30:32 <wob_jonas> TieSoul: you can look this up if you don't know ASCII by heart. The printable ASCII characters are exactly !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~
21:31:03 <TieSoul> I mean, I deduced it from the fact that the Euro didn't even exist when ASCII was created
21:31:46 <Taneb> The reason £ isn't ASCII is the A stands for American
21:31:47 <rdococ> that's not even the Euro
21:31:50 <FireFly> rdococ: I mean the 'A' of ASCII is probably-- yeah
21:32:11 <TieSoul> I wasn't talking about the pound sign at all
21:32:24 <Taneb> A bigger mystery is why £ is not on my keyboard layout
21:32:30 <TieSoul> the euro thing was just an aside
21:32:43 <wob_jonas> TieSoul: that's not really an argument. The characters ^`~\ also barely existed when ASCII was created, the first three of them exist as overprint characters you put into printer heads so you can add accents to characters by backspacing, the fourth one is basically just invented, although it's a simple enough shape that you can find prior uses if y
21:33:25 <wob_jonas> And while @ existed, it was sort of barely used before ASCII, and gained popularity because of ascii, together with those four characters
21:34:17 <TieSoul> @ in its current use is kind of weird since it's an abbreviation of a two-letter word, and not very useful
21:34:24 <TieSoul> but I believe it was originally something else
21:34:44 <wob_jonas> but once these were in ascii and a lot of ASCII printers were made, people started using them for all sorts of computing things
21:34:45 <Taneb> "at a rate of" originally
21:35:16 <Taneb> Like, 10 bananas @ 50p = £5
21:35:42 <wob_jonas> Taneb: wait what? that was _after_ decimization?
21:36:06 <TieSoul> but it'd be a stretch to argue that € could be in ASCII because "they made it up before the euro existed"
21:36:09 <Taneb> wob_jonas, no, I made that example up
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21:42:26 <moony> ok, completely offtopic here, but trump decided he'd look at the eclipse without protection. https://twitter.com/stefanmymind/status/899704177437421568
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21:48:25 <FireFly> Interesting, apparently there's several ideas proposed as to how ‘@’ developed, and not at all clear-cut
21:48:30 <FireFly> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_sign#Theories_of_origin
21:49:05 <wob_jonas> FireFly: maybe, but in any case it did exist before ASCII
21:53:14 <FireFly> I like how diverse different languages' vocabulary for @ is
21:54:08 <wob_jonas> FireFly: the # sign is even worse. nobody knows how to call it, not even by a long name.
21:54:30 <FireFly> I think ‘hash sign’ is neutral/widespread enough
21:54:31 <wob_jonas> (There's also some trouble with \ and | characters, but less.)
21:58:28 <Taneb> Pound sign, number sign, octothorpe, sharp...
21:58:29 <FireFly> In swedish I'd use "galler" (lit. bars/grid/fence/…), but "brädgård" (lumber yard) is pretty common too
21:59:44 <FireFly> for @ there's a lot of options… the most common one would be "snabel-a" (elephant's-trunk a), but "kanelbulle" (cinnamon bun) is pretty common too
22:22:42 <Phantom_Hoover> wait are you saying swedes actually call a # a lumberyard
22:23:13 <shachaf> The Hebrew word for # is "sulamit"
22:23:19 <shachaf> Which means something like "small ladder"
22:25:15 <wob_jonas> in Hungarian, the # character used to be called "andráskereszt" for some reason, even though that name makes no sense. These days it's usually called "kereszt", which is not much better, because × is also called "kereszt". There are informal names like fence or wafer which actually work better but are rarely used.
22:25:31 <wob_jonas> Oh, also it's often called "kettőskereszt" which is actually a good name.
22:34:20 <shachaf> Or at least I always thought that was the etymology
22:35:01 <shachaf> According to https://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/Sulamit "Sulamit" is a Finnish and Swedish name with a different Hebrew etymology.
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