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00:22:36 <quintopia> do you ever wish you had more time?
00:24:21 <quintopia> and where were you during the blizzard of 2007?
00:27:53 <boily> more or less, about yes.
00:27:59 <boily> there was a blizzard in 2007?
00:29:50 <boily> as I remember it, there was quite a lot of snow in 2008, something around 18’.
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00:35:24 <boily> were there mounds and heaps and piles of snow on your end?
00:36:02 <quintopia> nope. it might have iced over one night
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00:37:16 <boily> eh... probably a little bit more shoveling? I was still living with my parents at that time, and I was on shovel duty.
00:37:59 <boily> I like it when it gets “Real Winter”. -25 °C is perfect; your moustache freezes over.
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00:44:38 <boily> although right now is just perfect right ~^^~
00:44:42 <lambdabot> CYUL 302300Z 23009KT 15SM FEW150 22/13 A2987 RMK AC1 AC TR SLP116 DENSITY ALT 1000FT
00:44:49 <lambdabot> KOAK 302253Z 28011KT 10SM CLR 20/13 A2988 RMK AO2 SLP116 T02000133
00:49:23 <boily> it's colder in KOAK???
00:53:14 <fizzie> It was an odd day weather-wise in London today. Yesterday highs were +28 °C, today +14 °C.
00:53:26 <lambdabot> EGLL 302320Z AUTO 26004KT 9999 NCD 13/10 Q1015
00:54:53 <quintopia> when is the last time you played a video game forrilz boily
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01:05:13 <HackEgo> 1/1:@//@ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour. \ emoticon//emoticon: ¯\(°_o)/¯ \ grace period//The grace period was invented by Taneb to give him more time to invent the Oxford comma. \ nooga//no. \ os//Os is the accusative plural of us. Alsø a village in Denmark. Ånd a Norwegian spirit.
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01:28:54 <quintopia> yeah i dont get much time for gaming these days either
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02:03:26 <quintopia> what are your thoughts on naked yoga?
02:06:32 <boily> there is such a thing?
02:06:58 <boily> well, of course it is such a thing. All the Things Are. Praise be unto their Inventor.
02:07:29 <boily> I... don't know? is it like, regular yoga with all the yoga positions you can expect, but you're naked?
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06:00:42 <HackEgo> grcecoin evencoin beltocoin illarlecoin quarecoin stecoin gtvecoin glycoin serthesnecoin sheddycoin trofesostecoin tnntleuercoin kolmcoin colabiculecoin interbcoin lifyingcoin placoin hebagcoin herishcoin larcoin
06:04:58 <shachaf> Someone should extend HackEgo to make an ICO website.
06:05:18 <shachaf> Then suckers will send it money for no reason.
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09:55:27 <b_jonas> Does Skype on win32 deliberately obfuscate its interface by hiding the "Quit Skype" command from the main menu, and by making the window close button silently keep skype running and visible only in the notification area? I think it does, they can't just be that stupid by accident.
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10:02:25 <b_jonas> Hmm. Next time I write a makefile (or similar) for deploying/installing a program on another server through ssh, I should explicitly specify the remote username in it, rather than rely on the defaults in my ssh config. This hasn't caused problems yet, but it's probably better to be cautious.
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12:53:44 <b_jonas> Great. I'm trying to override line break opportunities in a word document where word's automatic algorithm chooses them wrong. But calibri doesn't have the 0x2011 or 0x2060 characters in it (even though the first one should look identical to a hyphen and the second should display nothing and have no width) so all I can use is 0xFEFF.
12:55:02 <b_jonas> Can't they actually put characters into a fucking modern high-quality font when they're also easy to draw and implement?
12:56:02 <b_jonas> Although maybe these fonts are too old for those characters or something.
12:57:51 <Deewiant> Calibri's design began in 2002 and U+2011 dates from Unicode 1.1, i.e. the year 1993
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12:59:26 <b_jonas> Deewiant: hmm. how about 0x2060?
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13:01:14 <ais523> b_jonas: isn't there a soft hyphen in latin-1 somewhere?
13:01:30 <ais523> hmm, that doesn't look like a soft hyphen to me
13:01:34 <Deewiant> b_jonas: Apparently Unicode 3.2, which came out in 2002, so it might not have been around when Calibri was started but it was definitely there before it was finished.
13:01:42 <HackEgo> [U+0020 SPACE] [U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE] [U+00AD SOFT HYPHEN]
13:01:50 <FireFly> That should be latin-1, I think
13:01:56 <ais523> oh, huh, it is a soft hyphen, as I discovered trying and failing to select it
13:02:05 <ais523> and yes, U+0000 to U+00FF is Latin-1
13:02:21 <ais523> b_jonas: is there a reason you can't use U+00AD?
13:03:05 <b_jonas> ais523: that has the wrong semantics. U+00AD is normaly invisible, and becomes a hyphen before a line break when you break the line there. that's for providing a hyphenation opportunity inside a word
13:03:08 <Deewiant> (U+00AD is equally old as U+2011)
13:03:21 <ais523> b_jonas: oh, I thought that's what you were trying to do
13:03:26 <ais523> what are you trying to do instead?
13:03:44 <ais523> (also, I'm massively confused as to why that soft hyphen is visible in my client, semantically it shouldn't be)
13:03:49 <b_jonas> ais523: I need a hyphen that's always present but where I don't want to allow a line break after it
13:04:14 <ais523> given that this is a Word document, I believe there's some sort of "don't break here" formatting you can apply
13:04:18 <FireFly> can you sue a ZWNBSP for that?
13:04:20 <b_jonas> ais523: the soft hyphen can be visible in terminals or other programs that don't use a proper text-rendering engine
13:04:28 <ais523> b_jonas: this is a GUI client though
13:04:35 <ais523> also it seems to be treating the soft hyphen as zero pixels wide
13:04:38 <ais523> it's just that I can see it
13:04:52 <b_jonas> ais523: GUI might not necessarily mean it's written properly
13:05:13 <ais523> aha, the soft hyphen is only visible if there are no characters after it
13:05:41 <ais523> that's an interesting choice but a defensible one, I think
13:05:41 <b_jonas> ais523: the font might have a glyph for it that the text engine should render only when the hyphen is visible (when there's a line-break there, or when you show invisible characters explicitly for proof-reading a text)
13:06:12 <b_jonas> well that makes sense, the end of a text is always a line-break utility (though in some contexts it might not be treated as such)
13:21:08 <ais523> SHY LF is a pretty silly combination as it is
13:21:13 <ais523> what does that even mean?
13:25:03 <b_jonas> ais523: it might be silly, but you can't really "ban" a character combination for general text. you just have to treat it in some fallback way
13:25:37 <b_jonas> you might get such a combination when you try to abbreviate some text for a shorter field or something
13:25:38 <ais523> ideally Unicode would be normalized, with all combinations being meaningful
13:25:45 <ais523> but as it isn't, you need some semantics for meaningless sequences like that
13:26:03 <b_jonas> well, most programs do sort of handle all combinations in some way
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18:00:01 <wob_jonas> there's probably a good reason, but I don't know why
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18:07:09 <wob_jonas> for a command that by default takes any number of arguments that it will exec, you shouldn't use gnu's stupid getopt that will reorder the command line. you need a getopt that only parses options before the first argument.
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18:22:44 <wob_jonas> so I was trying to write a simple command that I run under my X session and changes to another virtual terminal. but it seems that this is not possible directly, because you only have permission for that ioctl if a real tty console is your controlling terminal, and it seems when icewm-session starts icewm, it calls setsid and so any process I start
18:22:45 <wob_jonas> from icewm can't have the original tty as the control terminal.
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18:23:26 <wob_jonas> but X11 itself can change to a virtual console if I press a key. is there some X11 call I can do from an X11 program to ask X11 to do that?
18:23:35 <wob_jonas> I don't know anything about X11 programming
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18:52:45 <wob_jonas> I'll probably just use a workaround by starting a program on another virtual console withou X that will do this when I ask
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19:16:41 <wob_jonas> ok, workaround done as two very simple shell scripts
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22:30:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * JanMakuwe * New user account
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22:42:13 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52978&oldid=52975 * JanMakuwe * (+226) /* Introductions */
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22:48:18 <HackEgo> #esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ https://lifthrasiir.github.io/unison/sample.png , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz
22:48:54 <\oren\> Apparenlty they fixed the new youtube to make it actually fill the whole screen with content
22:50:10 <FireFly> Hm, I should make my fonts available as bitmap font files
22:51:18 <\oren\> I have BDF and ttf, but not PCF...
22:52:00 <FireFly> http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/ actually converts the fonts to BDF, I forgot about that
22:54:51 <FireFly> http://xen.firefly.nu/up/2017-08-31_231007.png hmm.
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23:42:16 <\oren\> what you do is, you have a huge underground lake that you heat by repeatedly detonation hydrogen bombs, then get steam power from that heat
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23:51:14 <\oren\> oerjan: no, just a funny idea i had for doing fusion power with current tech
23:51:33 <\oren\> hydrogen bombs are technically fusion power
23:51:50 <\oren\> you just need a way to extract energy from them
23:56:48 <\oren\> hmm, I think the explosion of hydrogen bomb would produce pressure wave that would not be absobed by water
23:56:53 <\oren\> like, perhaps a large plenum filled with methane or ammonia gas would work