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00:12:55 <oerjan> imode: self-multiplying ones hth
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00:23:41 <imode> oerjan: what'cha mean.
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00:47:21 <int-e> hmm, freefall lead me to reread http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time
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00:56:56 <oerjan> int-e: i linked that here after the previous comic
00:58:09 <oerjan> i suspect the robots wouldn't let kornada work there, anyway
01:01:52 <int-e> oerjan: ah you may recall that I'm always lagging one comic behind on FF.
01:02:40 <int-e> and I didn't see the link
01:02:56 <int-e> (sorry, and good night)
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02:35:08 <oerjan> `learn Connecticut is a US state named in recognition of its extremely unstable communication networks.
02:35:52 <oerjan> there might be something else unstable here
02:37:07 <lambdabot> echo; msg:IrcMessage {ircMsgServer = "freenode", ircMsgLBName = "lambdabot", ircMsgPrefix = "oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no", ircMsgCommand = "PRIVMSG", ircMsgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo hi"]}
02:38:56 <oerjan> fizzie: HackEgo seems a bit stuck
02:39:08 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch [<output-file>] <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
02:39:22 <oerjan> something's truly broken it.
02:40:11 <oerjan> nothing new in the web repository
02:41:39 <oerjan> this reminds me of those permission shenanigans
02:47:24 <oerjan> `fetch canary https://hackego.esolangs.org/get/canary
02:49:55 * oerjan swats shachaf -----###
02:50:39 <oerjan> hm maybe i should check the logs
02:51:11 <shachaf> The logs were mostly about hash collisions.
02:51:17 <shachaf> `` python -c 'import hashlib; print [hashlib.sha256(x).hexdigest()[0:16] for x in ["5fc2544f27bc209e", "aeaefd69151cba80"]]'
02:51:20 <oerjan> i meant for HackEgo commands
02:51:35 <oerjan> yes, but the last one was a boily `n
02:52:06 <oerjan> and i suspect that's unlikely to break things.
02:53:31 <shachaf> Remember the old days when HackEgo didn't even have `n?
02:53:38 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53210&oldid=51353 * Oerjan * (+20) Testing HackEgo link
02:54:06 <oerjan> it was so hard to dig up wisdoms in snow uphill both ways
02:55:02 <oerjan> it's not _just_ the sandbox, since `fetch didn't work
02:55:35 <oerjan> `fetch canary https://esolangs.org/
02:56:00 <oerjan> so perhaps the repository locking is at fault
02:57:09 <oerjan> may have do undo that one later, if it suddenly gets through
02:57:15 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch [<output-file>] <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
02:57:53 <oerjan> `fetch tmp/test https://esolangs.org/
02:58:11 <oerjan> that's not even supposed to lock, is it?
02:58:32 <oerjan> then again, it may do because it was exempted from the run-twice thing
02:59:01 <oerjan> `fetch /bin/sh https://esolangs.org/
03:01:48 <shachaf> Did you know Edwin Brady was one of the Whitespace people?
03:05:22 <oerjan> oh we've got a page on him
03:08:45 <zzo38> It should be possible to use Ogg codecs with GLOGG without a problem, if you have the UUID to identify the codec.
03:11:20 <zzo38> Is there a possibility that a JPEG decoder can have an option to try to recover the fractional parts of rounded data in order to achieve a better quality output than the input picture?
03:11:47 <fizzie> oerjan: There's a stuck umlbox process. They're supposed to have limits, I don't know why that's stuck. I remember this happening some time before as well, though.
03:12:25 <oerjan> does it say what command it is running?
03:12:31 <fizzie> ...it's running a hash collision search.
03:12:46 <oerjan> shachaf: YOU WERE RIGHT
03:13:04 <oerjan> i guess b_jonas continued in private
03:13:13 <oerjan> fizzie: yes, there were several in the logs
03:13:32 <oerjan> but since boily did a successful `n after those, i thought they couldn't be the culprit
03:14:13 <fizzie> There's in fact about a dozen umlbox processes, so I guess it manages to fill up some sort of a limit.
03:15:16 <HackEgo> ['6eeafe59946b43c3', '6eeafe59946b43c3']
03:15:23 <HackEgo> 2017-10-17 02:15:12 URL:https://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page [18485] -> "tmp/test" [1]
03:15:28 <HackEgo> Learned 'connecticut': Connecticut is a US state named in recognition of its extremely unstable communication networks.
03:15:30 <HackEgo> bin \ canary \ emoticons \ esobible \ etc \ evil \ factor \ good \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ izash.c \ karma \ le \ lib \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quines \ quinor \ quotes \ share \ src \ test2 \ testfile \ tmflry \ tmp \ wisdom
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03:18:57 <HackEgo> ---------- 1 5000 0 0 Apr 17 19:17 canary
03:19:30 <oerjan> that sort of ruins the file's purpose, although these days a `rm probably times out before reaching it anyway
03:20:28 <HackEgo> /usr/bin/bison: -y: missing operand \ Try '/usr/bin/bison --help' for more information.
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03:56:39 <\oren\> when c++ supports unicode I will make a namespace called std and have std::string in it
03:57:42 <alercah> \oren\: the standard does, not universally implemented though
04:04:44 <shachaf> `` python -c 'import hashlib; print [hashlib.sha256(x).hexdigest()[0:16] for x in ["8b9540f8208243d4", "745ecd23d5c46df7"]]'
04:04:45 <HackEgo> ['348cead2547ec7b4', '348cead2547ec7b4']
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07:07:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Tables]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53211&oldid=53208 * HereToAnnoy * (+3335) Added Specification 0000
07:11:37 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Tables]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53212&oldid=53211 * HereToAnnoy * (+82) Grammatical and table fix
07:13:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53213&oldid=53201 * HereToAnnoy * (+20) /* T */ - added TwoFiftyFive to list
07:15:55 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[TwoFiftyFive]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53214&oldid=53205 * HereToAnnoy * (+0) 256 things in 0,1,2,3,...,255, not 255 things
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11:33:03 <shachaf> You're not going to see another sandbox's process in ps.
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11:38:01 <b_jonas> but why didn't the process get killed after a minute or something?
11:39:00 <b_jonas> also, don't laugh, when you run multiple commands in buubot or perlbot, you can ps or kill the processes for the other commands
11:39:43 <shachaf> You can't ps but you can kill? How does that work?
11:40:41 <b_jonas> shachaf: the commands are running with ulimit of no new file descriptors
11:40:52 <b_jonas> so you can't open /proc or ps
11:41:46 <b_jonas> hmm, maybe it no longer does that
11:41:50 <b_jonas> it's possible that they changed it
11:42:03 <b_jonas> but I'm sure it let me kill back when buubot was alive (lots of years ago)
11:42:45 <shachaf> Do you just guess the pid?
11:43:10 <b_jonas> shachaf: no, I just kill every process
11:43:20 <b_jonas> they're in a separate uid so they won't kill the bot
11:43:47 <b_jonas> how does the anagolf evaluator handle this?
11:43:58 <b_jonas> I think it has a proper sandbox
11:44:08 <b_jonas> anyway, perlbot seems to have changed, it doesn't allow this easy exploit
11:44:12 <b_jonas> you have to work harder to break it
11:56:09 <b_jonas> Anyway, how are you in the UK? I hear there was a hurricane or something.
12:05:13 <b_jonas> (which sounds rather impossible, by the way.)
12:05:51 <b_jonas> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Ophelia_(2017)
12:06:44 <b_jonas> it makes me feel less safe when some crazy impossible random meteorological stuff happens
12:24:42 <boily> who maintains the HackEgo nowadays again?
12:25:24 <b_jonas> but at least fungot is here
12:25:25 <fungot> b_jonas: mr president, there are key sectors, such as tourism and nuclear energy. this, in fact, i am surprised because that emphasis denotes fnord of this kind were called into question and, as far as possible, that the rules we currently have in telephony to the provision and use of additives in tobacco products which may make the directive a large number of member states were not prepared to take the kind of violence we see
12:26:02 <boily> fungot: can you lead us to HackEgo's body? can we reanimate it?
12:26:02 <fungot> boily: madam president, first of all have to be referred back to committee. what is important is to see how that fnord out. agenda 2000 and the ensuing reactions. the european union has a key role to play at being teacher, to coin a phrase, in english, and political freedoms.
12:26:24 <boily> we must fnord out.
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12:27:05 <shachaf> fungot: you didn't coin nothin'
12:27:06 <fungot> shachaf: mr president, ladies and gentlemen, in relation to other automobile industries. we need to have regard to this dossier. this is why i wholeheartedly concur with those of the commission, and not for personal reasons, concerning content, which again prove the need for people carrying out activities before the date of december 1998 cannot be adhered to, because one of the most critical sectors for the vienna european coun
12:30:39 <b_jonas> I wonder, what precaution could a humanoid dungeon adventurer use to pass through a banana peel trap, when he does percieve it, but it's in a one-tile wide corridor so he can't go around, and doesn't want to spend time disarming it.
12:31:06 <b_jonas> I guess flight or a flying steed could work.
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12:47:25 <fizzie> b_jonas: I don't know why it got stuck -- it's *supposed* to have a timeout, and conventional infinite loops have managed to.
12:48:03 <fizzie> b_jonas: Anyway, the reason why it's broken this time is the *other* bug, not the sandbox one -- the 'socat' process it uses to talk to IRC is again consuming 100% of CPU apparently doing nothing.
12:48:15 <fizzie> I think that might sometimes get triggered if it gets disconnected from the server.
12:48:26 <fizzie> Actually, maybe I could attach a gdb to it just for funs.
12:48:41 <fizzie> "bash: gdb: command not found"
12:48:46 <fizzie> ...well, maybe it's not that important.
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12:52:13 <b_jonas> fizzie: yeah. I understand, my irc bot is unmaintained for years too, and has mysterious bugs where it doesn't notice that the IRC server disconnected. the whole thing is ripe for rewriting, "when I have time".
12:52:35 <b_jonas> I'll probably eventually rewrite it to some overengineered second system monstrosity.
12:54:23 <fizzie> I still don't really consider HackEgo "my bot", even though I guess I'm the closest thing it has to a maintainer.
12:54:40 <b_jonas> I'm not saying you're maintaining it
12:54:50 <b_jonas> I'm just saying I understand how irc bots end up unmaintained
12:54:59 <b_jonas> I'm not really maintaining my irc bots either
12:55:12 <fizzie> Wonder if Eggdrop's still around.
12:55:25 <b_jonas> Also, the whole server running the bot should have been reinstalled like twice already
12:56:05 <fizzie> "Eggdrop is the oldest Internet Relay Chat (IRC) bot still in active development", last stable release "13 Aug 2017". Huh, looks that way.
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13:34:54 <shachaf> int-e: Today Daniel Bernstein posted about that paper at https://blog.cr.yp.to/20171017-collisions.html
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20:21:50 <imode> does anybody have that proof that shows FRACTRAN as non-TC if it's executed out-of-order/maximally/nondeterministically?
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20:31:11 <imode> either ais or oerjan mentioned it.
20:32:02 <quintopia> i think ais523 was saying that you could write programs in such a way that they enforced the order of execution
20:32:20 <quintopia> but i wasnt there for everythimg that was said
20:32:23 <imode> yeah, by using flag registers.
20:35:56 <imode> quintopia: 2017-10-11 17:50:16 oerjan <ais523> (note that evaulation order in Fractran doesn't matter for TCness; you can write programs so that only one rule at a time ever applies) <-- istr we found out that was false at some point.
20:37:51 <imode> https://ptpb.pw/5wK3 a reasonably full snippet.
20:48:08 <quintopia> so maybe the nondeterministic version can compute all total computations?
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21:14:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53217&oldid=52980 * HereToAnnoy * (+395) started Tables inplementation
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21:40:36 <\oren\> I need to decode terminal gibberish
21:40:38 <\oren\> 0.0000000}��pS�Cý41?/⎽┘▮0 ␋┼ ␌⎺┼├␊│├ ⎺° ␍␋⎽┘▮1C⎺└└▒┼␍ ␊│␋├␊␍ ┬␋├ ┼⎺┼-≥␊⎼⎺ ⎽├▒├┤⎽ 1
21:42:33 <\oren\> does anyone know a way to decode the above line?
21:42:49 <\oren\> it was output by a partially functional program
21:49:33 <\oren\> oh, if I redirect it to a file it doesn't get screwed up
21:49:45 <\oren\> but catting the file screws up my terminal
21:50:06 <Taneb> Does it have weird control codes in it
21:51:15 <\oren\> basically the coded line is an error message of the form fprintf(stderr,"%s is invalid" or something
21:51:36 <\oren\> and the part that got %s contains something strange
21:55:02 <\oren\> I wish i could disable whatever escape it is that switches this
22:02:51 <\oren\> 0.0000000}<86><E8>pS<C3>C^N<98>4朱Կ/sj_0 in context of disj_1Command exited with non-zero status 1
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