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00:58:14 <\oren\> a bunch of jumbled bytes suddenly appeared in an otherwise ok file
00:58:55 <\oren\> i'm thinking this might be my first time witnessing real data corruption
01:00:30 <\oren\> }<86><E8>pS<C3>C^N<98>4朱Կ/ appears in one file and not the other. they are supposed to be identical
01:01:25 <\oren\> well I'm overwriting the corrupted one with the good one
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02:41:38 <imode> an update from earlier, a P System (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P_system) is similar to fractran and it emphasizes nondeterministic rule application, only with the idea of permeable membranes in place.
02:41:56 <imode> I don't see the difference between a "permeable membrane" and a flag register.
02:42:12 <imode> so why would fractran be non-TC with nondeterministic rule application?
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07:07:31 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6AcH-jch1M
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09:52:09 <izabera> is there any actual paradox that's fundamentally different from the liar's paradox?
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10:00:16 <shachaf> "paradox" isn't a very good word.
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10:04:43 <izabera> is there any actual encyclopedia that's fundamentally different from the liar's encyclopedia?
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11:04:44 <int-e> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2%80%93Tarski_paradox
11:04:57 <int-e> it's called a paradox, but there's no logical contradiction at all.
11:06:39 <Slereah> No but it goes against the intuitive way of thinking
11:07:14 <int-e> I know. It's an answer to izabera's question; any instance of the liar's paradox would involve a logical contradiction.
11:08:19 <Slereah> The axiom of choice gets a bad rap but frankly the negation of the axiom of choice is even worse
11:12:56 <int-e> I don't mind the axiom of choice. The idea that the so called "real numbers" have any representation in physics is the underlying fallacy to my mind.
11:15:27 <Slereah> Well you can try do work without the reals, but good luck
11:16:50 <int-e> I wouldn't. You just have to admit that you're building *models* or reality, and often surprisingly accurate ones at that.
11:17:11 <int-e> s/reality/the physical world/
11:17:14 <Slereah> well yes, that's what physics is for
11:17:16 <int-e> (assuming it exists :P)
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11:20:08 <Slereah> I've got a full book of axiomatizing physics with geometrical axioms
11:20:13 <Slereah> It is the worst idea of all times
11:21:44 <Slereah> where else would you dip your pizza
11:29:16 <Slereah> apparently it is possible to do quantum computing with discrete path integrals
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13:14:00 <shachaf> izabera: Oh, I have a paradox for you.
13:15:03 <shachaf> If you agree to be an apprentice until your 21st birthday, but you were born on Feb 29, you'll have to stay an apprentice until you're 84.
13:27:32 <shachaf> Some people would go so far as to call it "a most ingenious paradox".
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17:19:38 <int-e> it's a potential legal problem
17:20:05 <alercah> yes but that's not what shachaf is getting at
17:22:07 <int-e> (German law doesn't count birthdays, it counts years since birth. If you're born on February 29th, each year will end on a February 28th, so from that perspective the next day your birthday, alternating between March 1st and February 29th.)
17:37:21 <Slereah> How does it define a year though
17:38:32 <int-e> By date. It takes the calendar for granted in this context, hmm.
17:40:21 <Slereah> so the interval between two identical dates is 1 year if it's not the 29th, and otherwise that?
17:40:35 <int-e> Slereah: so the interesting case here is that the day a year after a February 29th is the last day of February. This is also applicable for the date 1 month after August 31st, for example.
17:41:46 <int-e> the extreme case being the day 1 month after January 31st; it'll also be the last day of February. In particular 1 month after one month after some day may be different from 2 months after the same day. Fun.
17:50:38 <alercah> Ontario law is clear that February 29's anniversary happens on February 28 on a non-leap year
17:50:58 <alercah> the rules on months are similar
17:54:32 <int-e> it's the same in german law, it's just that for legal age, the anniversary isn't relevant; it's the completion of n years starting at the birth date that matter.
17:57:39 <int-e> the law will have phrases like "after completion of the 18th year of life"
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22:19:03 <fizzie> Hmm. I was making a new offsite backup disk, and turns out I've encrypted the previous one. Which makes sense (can never be too careful with those esolangs.org backups), but I've no idea about what sort of passphrase would unlock it.
22:19:43 <fizzie> This does not bode well if I ever actually need to restore something from those backups.
22:20:17 <Hooloovo0> perhaps you should do another backup
22:20:56 <fizzie> But chances are I'll manage to forget about how I encrypted the new one I'm making, as well.
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22:44:17 <int-e> clearly you need a backup plan for your backup plan
22:46:11 <int-e> that reminds me that I have no clue what my project euler password is anymore :P
22:46:31 <int-e> which may be saving me a lot of trouble
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23:14:05 <HackEgo> 1/3:bdsmreclist//* oerjan swats quintopia -----### \ <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: it records all the big hits \ prography//Prography is the art of turning computational algorithms into something totally incomprehensible to anyone whose brain isn't made of silicon and arsenic. \ double dactyl//Curious spurious juvenile poetry that is supposedly tr
23:14:07 <HackEgo> 2/3:icky to write, but its obsession with sesquipedality makes double dactyls quite gaudy and trite. \ peer//Peer Gynt is a famous Norwegian troll. His reviews are in high demand, but nowadays he amuses himself by resetting people's irc connections and torrenting his own files. \ earth//Topologically speaking, the Earth has been a coffee mug ev
23:14:09 <HackEgo> 3/3:er since that hole to China was dug.
23:15:13 <quintopia> i learned yesterday about the ridiculousness of quebecois curse words
23:16:10 <boily> they aren't ridiculous. they are categorical! you can compose them any way you want ^^
23:16:25 <quintopia> you can do that with most curse words
23:16:39 <quintopia> but most places don't curse by listing props used in communion
23:17:18 <boily> it adds charm and tradition!
23:18:11 <boily> it promotes precise vocabulary, diction and personal expression!
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