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02:04:20 <Rodger> Don't confuse me with that other guy named Roger I found via /ns info.
02:04:55 <Rodger> But I think it's fine, since multiple people probably go by this name in real life. Speaking of which, this isn't my real name.
02:09:20 <doesthiswork> you chose the name because many people would be more relaxed if they got a good rodgering once in a while?
02:15:56 <Rodger> Well, that and its other meanings combined.
02:47:01 * oerjan vaguely thinks we used to have some RodgerSomethingOrOther in here
02:51:04 <oerjan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVq4_HhBK8Y
02:51:50 <oerjan> (apparently googling it these days gives star wars hits)
03:30:38 <zzo38> Jolly Roger is a kind of flag will a skull I think?
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03:52:48 <zzo38> I have made up a way to slightly improve compression of Dr.Halo and PackBits (without altering the file format at all).
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07:06:30 <zzo38> Do you know if any other program does this? The example files I have found do not seem to do this
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11:53:27 <fizzie> Hmm. Still no sign of life from the system. We might need to start thinking seriously about alternatives at some point.
11:54:19 * int-e CaCkles maniacally.
11:56:24 <int-e> good news, their sales frontend is still up...
11:57:08 <fizzie> When I asked Gregor, the control panel was "up" but none of the power-down/reboot/... options actually responded.
11:58:44 <fizzie> Wonder if people'd contribute to the hosting costs if I asked. Around $3-4/month is the lowest I've found so far for a VPS with 2G of RAM. Just hard to tell if these places would actually be an improvement.
11:58:48 <fizzie> (2G is just the current specs, don't really have a feeling of how well it'd run with less.)
12:04:26 <fizzie> For the record, the ones I have left tabs open are https://www.scaleway.com/virtual-cloud-servers/ https://www.hyperexpert.com/vps.php https://www.woothosting.com/pulse/cart.php?a=add&pid=73
12:04:30 <fizzie> The last is an odd special deal via lowendbox.com, I can't tell if it would stay that price. Their regular prices are quite a bit higher. And Scaleway has their odd €2.99/month dedicated ARM server as well.
12:04:46 <Taneb> (I'd certainly contribute to that)
12:14:56 <int-e> (I think I've said before that I feel I'm doing enough by paying for that little thing.)
12:16:51 <fizzie> I could put up a Wikipedia-style banner. ;)
12:16:59 <fizzie> Where do you run lambdabot?
12:17:03 <int-e> Though perhaps it would be smarter to ask the haskell infrastructure people to host it somewhere, hmm.
12:17:13 <int-e> Ramnode, but they're not the cheapest option.
12:18:11 <fizzie> Yeah. The thing with the cheapest places is, they generally all have rather mixed reviews. Of course in relative terms it might still be an upgrade from the current.
12:18:36 <int-e> I find it hard to imagine that you could do worse than CaC.
12:19:31 <int-e> (It's possible, but basically the only reason that one would put up with CaC's QoS is their insane pricing. There's a connection between the two, I'm sure.)
12:22:41 <int-e> (I have good experience with Ramnode's support. Tickets tend to be answered in hours (sometimes minutes) rather than days or weeks if at all.)
12:25:44 <fizzie> Mm. They've got reasonable reviews, and the prices (for "standard KVM") are half of DigitalOcean's. Still looking for that mythical combination of cheap & good though.
12:27:13 <int-e> Yeah standard KVM (not OpenVZ because at least when I tried, it didn't have proper namespace support which I use for rudimentary sandboxing.)
12:28:18 <int-e> Anyway I just hate doing that kind of research, so tedious.
12:37:03 <fizzie> That's definitely true.
12:37:09 <fizzie> OVH is another one of those "good prices, terrible support" places, except a little more mainstream, I guess.
12:37:43 <fizzie> They also had a very written-about downtime just the other day, so we might feel right at home. ;)
12:38:23 <fizzie> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/09/ovh_datacenters_go_titsup/
12:39:30 <int-e> Huh, I missed that terrible blunder.
12:41:00 <int-e> https://www.1blu.de/server/vserver/ is one of those too good to be true offers
12:41:43 <fizzie> There's also hostens.com, which I'm amused by simply because it sounds so much like the bed company.
12:44:19 <fizzie> They have surprisingly good user reviews, wonder if they're gaming the system somehow.
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12:52:45 <int-e> "Essentially, there wasn't sufficient redundancy in its power supply lines, so when one cable failed, it all went down, down, down." Can we call this "overcommitted redundancy"? I mean, VPS hosting is all about overcommitment...
13:10:43 <fizzie> Think I'll setup my readonly backup copy again, while we're waiting.
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13:31:30 <fizzie> Backup copy should be up, as soon as your DNS caches expire, or directly at http://esolangs.zem.fi/ (should've added that as subjectAltName in the certificate...)
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17:32:32 <zzo38> Can the compression algorithm I have implemented in ffcut.c to be proved optimal for that file format? Is it even optimal, or not?
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22:33:03 <zzo38> I have experimented another way to compress the map data. Dynamic tiles help with compression (as well as making the editor quicker to use), but then it also uses RLE with three kind of runs, and stores data in a boustrophedon order as well. The three kind of runs are: homogeneous runs, heterogeneous runs, and copy-above runs.
22:33:17 <zzo38> Here is a hexdump of one compressed map (with a five byte header): 3c 00 1a 00 00 0f 31 18 2e 20 32 df ad 55 3d b1 29 2e b2 55 3d b0 1b 2e 05 35 e0 ab 06 36 3c 2e fe aa 11 2e 26 33 c1 06 34 55 3d 15 34 e4 aa 55 3d 25 33 db ab
22:34:35 <zzo38> Code 255 is currently not defined; it is meant for back references, but how back references are working currenly is not defined or implemented. Do you perhaps have any kind of better idea about this?
22:37:17 <diginet> I have a question: there was a BF derivative I was reading about that got rid of the  and replaced them with something else, does anyone know what that was?
22:38:32 <zzo38> I know there are such thing but I also don't know what it is
23:00:17 <fizzie> diginet: Just different symbols, or something with different semantics?
23:00:39 <diginet> fizzie: different semantics
23:04:57 <fizzie> Some variants that have an implicit loop around the whole program, and then replace  with some other control structure.
23:05:00 <fizzie> There's 207 pages in the "Brainfuck derivatives" category on the wiki. :/
23:06:24 <Slereah__> Brainfuck is a very easy language to grasp and modify
23:06:35 <Slereah__> Hell it was invented twice independantly
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