00:14:48 <Sgeo> https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/7ekwea/un3_vanilla_mythic_infinity_elemental/
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00:36:27 <ais523> hmm, so the choices here are
00:36:51 <ais523> a) buy bottled water from a vending machine at an exorbitant price (£1.50 for what I think was a 75cl bottle, not sure on the exact size)
00:37:18 <ais523> b) use a water fountain that's designed for wob_jonas-style use, or possibly filling up bottles of your own
00:37:53 <ais523> (it emits water straight downwards; I find the ones that shoot water upwards at an angle much more convenient because you can drink from the stream with your head in a sensible position
00:38:08 <ais523> c) go down to the surrounding city streets and find somewhere which sells water
00:38:28 <ais523> because I work at a university and thus there is a large concentration of students in the area, c) is fairly easy when it's as early as half past midnight
00:40:08 <fizzie> (d) origami out a cup from some stray paper, use it to drink from the fountain.
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00:41:08 <fizzie> From what I recall, Copy paper holds water surprisingly well (I mean, not *well* but still), if you fold it right.
00:41:32 <fizzie> (Or rather insufficiently editing.)
00:41:47 <ais523> I'm currently in a very communal area because my ID card is malfunctioning / too old and won't let me into any of the me-specific areas
00:41:57 <ais523> and in places like this, they have to charge for things like paper in order to prevent buse
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00:50:49 <wob_jonas> ais523: I have bottles of my own stored at home normally
00:51:24 <ais523> I often have a supply of bottles but can't easily transport them
00:51:25 <wob_jonas> and you can fill containers other than water
00:51:37 <ais523> anyway, I used step c) and the bottle is still here
00:51:40 <ais523> so I can just refill it
00:51:54 <wob_jonas> here if water is out for more than about four hours, there's usually a water tank vehicle brought to the street
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00:52:38 <wob_jonas> every supermarket sells bottled water here, so it's just a matter of bringing a six-pack of 1.5 liter bottles home from the closest one usually
00:53:18 <ais523> I considered taking some water with me
00:53:25 <ais523> but decided to travel light, as I knew there'd be options
00:53:31 <ais523> (that's where I got this bottle of water from, a supermarket)
00:53:34 <wob_jonas> I can lend you some but you'd have to walk like 1500 kilometers for it
00:53:41 <ais523> or, hmm, it was a bit smaller than the typical supermarket
00:53:59 <ais523> also, by the time I walk 1500km the water supply is likely to be fully working again :-P
00:55:04 <wob_jonas> ais523: I think Knight of the Kitchen Sink is my favorite card from Unstable
00:56:49 <HackEgo> Vaporkin \ 1U \ Creature -- Elemental \ 2/1 \ Flying \ Vaporkin can block only creatures with flying. \ THS-C, CN2-C
00:57:01 <wob_jonas> ^ Novellamental is a reprint of this under a different name
00:57:18 <ais523> aha, so it was a funcitonal reprint
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00:57:46 <wob_jonas> yes. Welking Tern and Tattered Hunter are two cards in modern that are similar but have different creature types
00:59:28 <ais523> 2/1 high flying for 1U doesn't seem like that good a card, I assume it's for Limited purposes
00:59:46 <ais523> although I guess it's comparable to 2/1 flying for most typical uses
01:00:00 <wob_jonas> yeah, it's not very good in constructed
01:00:04 <ais523> a 2/1 doesn't make for a great blocker, especially against ground-based creatures which you can probably block more usefully with something else
01:00:45 <ais523> 2/1 for W has been playable in some formats in the past
01:01:39 <wob_jonas> Elite Vanguard. I even have one of those.
01:02:04 <ais523> `card-by-name savannah lions
01:02:05 <HackEgo> Savannah Lions \ W \ Creature -- Cat \ 2/1 \ A-R, B-R, U-R, RV-R, 4E-R, 8ED-R, 9ED-R, ME4-U
01:02:14 <ais523> that was the original, and was much better back then because its competition was less good
01:02:17 <wob_jonas> also the old Savannah Lions, and a few newer cards
01:02:29 <wob_jonas> now you can even get a 2/1 for W with advantages
01:02:45 <ais523> 3/1 for 1W seems to be a fairly common line for upside cards nowadays
01:02:50 <ais523> like a hatebear but more agressive
01:02:58 <ais523> and yet it's probably not good enough?
01:03:07 <ais523> two mana normally gets you a 3/3 with minor upside if what you want is a combat creature
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01:13:13 <wob_jonas> ais523: also, you're right, green used to be able to untap creatures in older sets. I didn't know.
01:13:18 <HackEgo> Vitalize \ G \ Instant \ Untap all creatures you control. \ WL-C, 6E-C
01:13:39 <wob_jonas> I could have known, such abilities appear in several old cards, and not only very rare ones
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05:24:17 <Sgeo> Can a player regenerate from being destroyed?
05:24:17 <Sgeo> Yes. Note there is no current way to do that. Maybe in a future Un- set.
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10:19:30 <shachaf> cook anything delicious lately?
10:19:41 <Taneb> Haven't been cooking much :(
10:21:03 <Taneb> I do need to cook more
10:21:56 <Vorpal> Taneb: what about baking?
10:22:08 <Taneb> Vorpal: same problem sadly
10:22:28 <shachaf> Is baking not a type of cooking?
10:22:39 <Vorpal> Taneb: not needing sounds like you have a superior solution though, as opposed to "not being able to" for example
10:22:58 <Vorpal> thusly, may I inquire what the superior solution is?
10:23:21 <shachaf> One trick is to apply economic pressure to get others to cook food for you.
10:24:09 <Vorpal> shachaf: that is a good one. E might be married and have a partner who prefers to cook though. That is another option
10:25:19 <Vorpal> "<Taneb> I do need to cook more" as "<Taneb> I do not need to cook any more"
10:25:41 <shachaf> Ah, that makes more sense.
10:26:39 <Taneb> Ah! Sorry for the confusion
10:27:09 <Vorpal> Taneb: the confusion was entirely on my side, no need for you to be sorry
10:27:39 <shachaf> No, *I'm* sorry for the confusion.
10:27:50 <Vorpal> shachaf: I'm sorry for you being sorry
10:28:58 <Taneb> I'm basically living on cereal, supermarket lunchtime meal deals, and microwave pasta ready meals
10:29:53 <Taneb> It's... a lot better than a couple of years ago when I wasn't even managing that
10:31:11 <Vorpal> shachaf: what does scow mean in this context. googling for a definition gave me "a large flat-bottomed boat with broad square ends used chiefly for transporting bulk material (such as ore, sand, or refuse)" which I suspect is not what you meant
10:31:24 <shachaf> I mean it in a related sense.
10:31:32 <shachaf> The etymology is "garbage scow"
10:31:43 <shachaf> "the scow of X" means something like "the worst specimen of X"
10:31:49 <HackEgo> Scow (S-cow) is canned meat made from cows with a lisp.
10:32:03 <shachaf> HackEgo: that makes no sense tdnh
10:32:22 <Taneb> "1 GiB equals 230 bytes or 1,073,741,824 GB, or approximately 7% larger than the gigabit.
10:32:31 <Vorpal> oh, a bit like cockney rhyme then? In that you need to know some hidden layers of association in between
10:32:40 <Taneb> (from a webhosting company's website)
10:32:54 <Vorpal> Taneb: I would personally go for some other hosting company
10:37:50 <Vorpal> shachaf: no idea who they are
11:11:13 <Taneb> Vorpal: I think they're the wiki's host, which have a problem with reliability
11:23:53 <Vorpal> Taneb: who is the admin of the wiki? maybe we could host it elsewhere?
11:25:06 <Taneb> Vorpal: my understanding is that that's being looked into
11:26:52 <Vorpal> Taneb: I own a VPS, so do fizzie. I would assume there are more of us as well who could host it. Might need to upgrade to a bigger plan for bandwidth or storage, but I kind of doubt our wiki has that much traffic
11:27:46 <Vorpal> would need to install php and possibly mysql though. Think I only have postgresql on that VPS
11:27:48 <Taneb> Storage is I think the key issue
11:28:17 <Vorpal> Taneb: how much does it use for the wiki? Shouldn't be more than a couple of GB I would assume?
11:28:39 <Taneb> Honstly I don't know
11:28:51 <Taneb> fizzie is the current admin but I think Gregor has something to do with it as well?
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11:36:46 <fizzie> Vorpal: See https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Funding
11:38:23 <fizzie> Egress traffic is (IIRC) in the order of 100G/month, and we've always run it on a system with 2G of RAM, not sure how much smaller it'd fit on.
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11:38:54 <shachaf> fizzie: What's wrong with making a profit?
11:39:02 <shachaf> Or rather, with having a surplus.
11:40:30 <Vorpal> fizzie: okay, my VPS is also 2 GB, and IIRC I have either 500 GB or 1 TB traffic / month available to me, not sure about yours
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11:41:05 <Vorpal> anyway my point was, if some of us already have VPSes, maybe there is some with spare capacity
11:41:14 <shachaf> Are you confident that it'll cost <$100/year all in?
11:42:25 <fizzie> shachaf: If we go with one of the less mainstream options, I don't see why not.
11:42:58 <shachaf> And with a mainstream option?
11:43:47 <Vorpal> fizzie: we should be able to run on the smallest of even a mainstream option like linode from what I can tell
11:44:01 <Vorpal> that is 5 USD per month, so it will fit in less than 100 USD without issueds
11:44:04 <Vorpal> https://www.linode.com/pricing
11:44:37 <fizzie> Vorpal: I'm a little suspicious about 1G of RAM, and the 2GB instance is already $120/year.
11:44:40 <Vorpal> I have had a mostly trouble free experience with their london data center the last few years, and the times I had issues their support was quick and helpful
11:45:01 <shachaf> They lost my password at least twice.
11:45:28 <Vorpal> fizzie: huh thought I had their smallest option but maybe not, htop says I have 2 GB RAM. Or 1.83 rather
11:47:12 <fizzie> I'm using DigitalOcean, and they just added a new $15/month tier with 3GB of RAM. I think I guesstimated something like $25-30/month for Amazon/Google clouds (the latter has the business-only issue).
11:48:06 <fizzie> For the record, the cheapo option would be https://www.hostens.com/vps-hosting/#hosting__plan__group-tab-vps who have a €3.99/month plan (quarterly billing, 2G RAM, KVM) and pretty reasonable user reviews around the webs.
11:48:06 <shachaf> What if we used Google Cloud US?
11:48:12 <shachaf> For example by having Gregor run it.
11:48:47 <shachaf> I'm slightly dubious of cheapo options.
11:48:47 <Gregor> In what sense is using Google Cloud US having me run it X-D
11:49:01 <fizzie> I kind of would prefer for the person looking after the MediaWiki installation to be the same person looking after the VPS, it's been a little inconvenient to have to bother someone every time some sort of control panel action is needed.
11:49:16 <fizzie> I mean, it works, but it makes me feel bad.
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11:49:31 <shachaf> Can control panel access not be given? I don't know how these things work.
11:49:56 <Gregor> Not using CaC's amazing service.
11:50:20 <Vorpal> fizzie: yeah I have the 2 GB variant
11:50:51 <shachaf> Maybe you should use Microsoft Azure
11:50:53 <Vorpal> with linode you can create users, and either give them full or restricted access. I don't know how fine grained that is
11:52:21 <Gregor> The more core point here is that I was just donating the CaC server because I had it spare. It was spare because CaC is kiiiiinda trash. However, CaC continues to be kinda trash, and it'd be good to move off of it. I don't have other servers free, or any particular reason to be the server admin.
11:52:22 <Vorpal> https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/accounts-and-passwords#setting-permissions
11:53:19 <Gregor> Just to be clear about how crap CaC is, here's my latest support ticket on my other CaC account:
11:53:21 <Vorpal> I would not want to run the server full time, I too often go away from the internet for long stretches to keep an eye on it all the time
11:53:32 <Gregor> « After a few days of my servers being inaccessible and nonfunctional, today they simply don't exist. The panel claims "install failed" for all four, when they're not new servers, and have been running for months or, in one case, years.»
11:53:44 <Gregor> CaC's response? «This ticket has been closed due to inactivity.»
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11:55:42 <Vorpal> <shachaf> They lost my password at least twice. <-- by the way, how do you mean? Lost the hash of your password in their user db??
11:56:12 <Vorpal> Gregor: does someone (you?) have database and configuration backups of the wiki?
11:56:17 <fizzie> I've got a VPS for my own purposes, but it's tiny (512M of RAM), and anyway personally I'd not share it with the wiki. If we want to keep the wiki-admin == VPS-admin equality (I'm at least around enough, probably), I might just go ahead and pick the cheapo option and trust there's enough interest to cover that (relatively tiny) amount. Just not sure what's the best way to go around it.
11:56:32 <Gregor> Vorpal: I believe I have backups of everything.
11:56:44 <fizzie> Vorpal: I've got weekly backups here as well of everything wiki-relevant.
11:57:02 <shachaf> Vorpal: I think so. Or at leat told me to change my password for some reason.
11:57:10 <shachaf> I remember they lost password hashes at least once.
11:57:22 <fizzie> I believe there's also some other people downloading the public dump, which has all the articles but not the users & suchlike.
11:58:41 <Gregor> The directories I have backed up nightly: /etc/apt /var/www/html /home /etc/nginx /etc/php5 /var/lib/mysql
11:58:47 <Gregor> If I should be backing up something else, tell me.
11:58:50 <Vorpal> fizzie: couldn't it just run as a couple of docker image or such?
11:59:15 <Vorpal> Gregor: probably /var/lib/apt, more interesting than /etc/apt
11:59:25 <shachaf> Is the cheapo option much better than AWS?
11:59:34 <Vorpal> since /var/lib/apt contains the installed package database
11:59:58 <Vorpal> shachaf: it is probably not better, might be cheaper though ;P
12:01:06 <fizzie> Gregor: You could add /srv/esolangs.org for the wiki.
12:01:57 <Gregor> Vorpal: I backup /etc/apt and selections. You can mostly reproduce /var/lib/apt from selections, albeit a newer install.
12:02:50 <fizzie> Yeah, it's probably not *better*. But a t2.small instance already has a base cost of $16.84/month, plus $8.91/month for 100G of "AWS Data Transfer Out".
12:02:54 <shachaf> What a mess apt and apt-like systems are.
12:03:23 <Gregor> shachaf: How dare you insult our lord and true king Debian.
12:03:57 <Gregor> Honestly, I think this is entirely a circumstance to cheap out on.
12:04:31 <Gregor> There are lots of cheap VPS services, many of which are just fine.
12:04:53 <Gregor> One that I use and has literally had 100% uptime in the year I've been using it emailed me this sale: https://hostslick.com/cart.php?a=add&pid=177
12:05:05 <Gregor> $35/yr is a bit better than $25/mo
12:05:39 <fizzie> Right. The €3.99/month option had pretty good reviews (re support & so on) as well, and feels low enough that I think even without any sort of structured money-collection system I might get enough ad-hoc donations to cover it.
12:05:52 <shachaf> What about option (e) fizzie pays for an expensive option out of pocket
12:06:01 <shachaf> Or option (f) fizzie gets Google to pay for it
12:06:16 <shachaf> (Or just host it while they're at it)
12:06:30 <Gregor> I could just stick it on a U. Waterloo server. I really doubt anybody would notice ;)
12:06:35 <Gregor> (Note: I won't actually do this)
12:06:45 <shachaf> (Technically Google has an infinite number of machines, so it wouldn't cost them anything.)
12:07:34 <Vorpal> fizzie: more seriously though, is there no option as a google employee to get a cheaper price for their cloud offers?
12:07:37 <fizzie> There's also the option (f)(ii), which is me paying half of it and getting Google to gift-match the rest, but that'd (a) involve setting up a separate non-profit to get to go/give, and (b) would really feel like trickery to me.
12:08:13 <shachaf> Vorpal: fizzie has no option at all to get the cloud offers at any price
12:08:32 <Vorpal> shachaf: because you need to be a business?
12:08:47 <fizzie> Vorpal: At some point there was a $30/month or so Cloud credit voucher dealie, but it's not really an option with the silliness with the Google Cloud and EU and VAT thing.
12:09:18 <fizzie> Also it's not really guaranteed to run forever.
12:09:34 <Vorpal> fizzie: yes I saw something strange about VAT when logging into linode just now. I wonder what that is about and how it will affect me
12:09:49 <fizzie> Actually, one thing I could probably leverage Google for would be to stick the esowiki backup directory (encrypted) onto Drive. As it is, it's saved on three hard disks here locally, but the offsite backup is only updated once a year or so.
12:10:00 <fizzie> (That's how often I visit Finland, where our bank safety deposit box is.)
12:10:12 <shachaf> How much Drive space do you have?
12:10:41 <shachaf> I have 1TB but I think it'll be expiring soon.
12:11:00 <Vorpal> I have dropbox instead of drive. Better linux client
12:11:06 <Vorpal> as in, any linux client
12:11:24 <fizzie> I think I've got the regular 15G freebie quota and a +50G bonus.
12:12:19 <fizzie> https://github.com/odeke-em/drive has worked for me just fine.
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12:12:53 <fizzie> (I don't really want automatic syncing anyway.)
12:12:59 <Vorpal> hm they asked for VAT number, I don't think I have that unless I have a company?
12:14:04 <Gregor> Honestly, I can't even begin to imagine why people are considering Google Cloud or Amazon or what have you. We have a small wiki. It needs a dinky server. Cloud servers are designed—and priced—for scalability UP, not scalability DOWN.
12:14:54 <Vorpal> Gregor: my point here was: do any of us who already have VPSes have spare capacity that would benefit this?
12:15:51 <Vorpal> I'd say I do on my VPS, but no I don't have time to be full time admin.
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12:23:23 <shachaf> fizzie: What if you developed a commercial code golf site with ais523?
12:23:28 <shachaf> Then you can use Google Cloud.
12:23:53 <Vorpal> shachaf: I doubt it would be very successful as a commercial thing
12:24:10 <fizzie> It doesn't need to be successful to be a "business purpose".
12:24:23 <fizzie> I should probably just do the "get a dinky server and get some ad-hoc money" option, and then afterwards consider setting up a donate button via some service if that feels appropriate.
12:24:32 <fizzie> Though I did actually for reals look at the UK rules for charities, and if you opt for one of the forms that don't have a corporate structure (isn't a legal person and can't do contracts, but can own money & get tax benefits) it's not entirely impossible proposition.
12:24:55 <fizzie> The biggest blockers are that I would probably need 1-2 other UK people as co-trustees (and possibly meet them physically once a year, that wasn't entirely clear), and the definition of "charitable purposes", while *probably* covering the wiki, might be a little hard to extend to other adjacent things, like #esoteric IRC bots.
12:25:27 <Vorpal> fizzie: does the server run something other than the wiki?
12:25:27 <shachaf> You know you want to rake in the big esobucks
12:25:39 <Vorpal> the irc bots run elsewhere don't they?
12:25:46 <fizzie> Vorpal: HackEgo runs on it as well.
12:25:49 <shachaf> They run at the same place.
12:25:54 <shachaf> HackEgo even gives wiki edit notifications
12:26:17 <fizzie> Well, that's done over UDP, they don't *need* to run on the same system.
12:26:47 <fizzie> Look, don't ask me, that's how MediaWiki does it.
12:27:08 <shachaf> UK charities aren't eligible for US tax deduction anyway
12:27:40 <fizzie> shachaf: Probably not. But they're eligible for UK Gift Aid for any UK donations.
12:27:48 <Vorpal> fizzie: anyway, all you would need is something able to run a couple of docker images right? mysql, nginx and hackego
12:28:05 <Vorpal> shachaf: so some other container solution then
12:28:37 <Vorpal> shachaf: anyway what do you have against containers in general or docker specifically?
12:28:42 <int-e> namespaces... good... containers... bad :P
12:28:53 <int-e> the argument is complexity.
12:28:58 <shachaf> Containers are fine, but Docker is not
12:29:16 <shachaf> But maybe Docker is popular enough that I should give up and use it
12:29:19 <Vorpal> shachaf: okay, I haven't used other solutions like rkt, so I can't really compare them
12:29:40 <shachaf> It's probably better if you build your Docker images with bazel or something instead of Dockerfiles.
12:29:49 <shachaf> And then you run them with Kubernetes or something.
12:30:05 <Vorpal> and what use I have made of docker have been highly specialized and unconventional at work to simulate large number of embedded systems hammering on another embedded system.
12:31:22 <Vorpal> shachaf: right, Dockerfile syntax is a bit weird.
12:31:38 <shachaf> Syntax is not really the issue.
12:32:14 <Vorpal> fizzie: anyway you might get sporadically reoccurring donations from me for the wiki. Don't expect anything monthly though.
12:32:57 <fizzie> Vorpal: The monthly costs are likely to be so small, any sort of transaction costs would probably eat into them anyway.
12:33:09 <fizzie> Near-term, I think I'll just reply to the (two) comments on the talk page on the wiki and see where that goes.
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12:33:58 <fizzie> The charity thing *is* real overkill, it just feels so tempting since (if I'm paying for any of it) the UK tax thing would be basically free money. (But it also feels like dubious tax dodging.)
12:34:10 <fizzie> Anyway, I think I really need to amble to work at this point.
12:37:28 <Vorpal> Gregor: why php5? (based on your backup paths). Isn't that ancient?
12:49:06 <Vorpal> oh apparently it isn't. there was no php6
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15:04:07 <Gregor> php5 is both ancient and new ;)
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16:52:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53414&oldid=53413 * Rdococ * (+152)
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19:22:03 <Roger9> zseri: What do you think of basicfuck?
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19:47:44 <zseri> I think basicfuck is very similar to clearBF.
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19:51:50 <wob_jonas> re Gregor telling about CaC handling the server on which the esowiki is running: ouch. that sucks.
19:52:43 <Elronnd> is there an implementation?
19:52:57 <wob_jonas> Vorpal, Gregor: when you say you have backups of everything, is that only the esowiki, or also HackEgo?
19:54:53 <Gregor> I separately have the hackego chroot backed up.
19:55:13 <wob_jonas> fizzie: of those hosting options, which ones don't have a clause where if you use more network traffic than is in your plan, then you must pay for the extra data (as opposed to them limiting your internet bandwidth to very low or zero when you reach the data limit)?
19:55:52 <wob_jonas> fizzie: because I have the impression that some cheap hosting options simply want a few of the users to trip up and accidentally go over the network quota and get their actual income from that, rather than the nominal monthly plans.
20:00:06 <\oren\> Google Translator is my favorite vocaloid
20:00:08 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiosKUO7oqo
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20:34:26 <zseri> I think CLooP should be extended to allow a default value for array elements (especially in GLooP mode, that one doesn't need to use a pforeach loop just to initialize any element, which, even in C, can be done using e.g. int array[N] = {0};)
20:46:48 <fizzie> @tell wob_jonas I have a weekly HackEgo repository backup as well.
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20:53:06 <fizzie> \oren\: I was going to say it's Translate, not Translator, but apparently "Google™ Translator" is a Firefox extension you might've also meant.
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21:33:23 <\oren\> I bought a insanely powerful laptop!
21:33:53 <\oren\> https://www.sagernotebook.com/Notebook-NP9175.html
21:34:37 <\oren\> Just got the actual shipping notification
21:37:45 <fizzie> I've got one of those, except under the "Schenker" brand. (Few years old, not really used any more.)
21:38:00 <fizzie> The power brick weighs like, well, a brick.
21:41:25 <\oren\> yeah I kind of expected that
21:41:36 <\oren\> 330 W is a ton of charger
21:42:15 <\oren\> I wonder how it compares to a Tesla's charger
21:45:33 <\oren\> never mind they are in kW
21:46:25 <shachaf> My laptop came with a 130W charger but I downgraded to 87W
21:52:02 <\oren\> shachaf: yeah but can your laptop play crysis at max settings
21:52:33 <\oren\> (or kerbal space program with a giant space station and all teh cool graphics mods)
21:52:53 <shachaf> What you should do is play Factorio instead.
21:52:59 <shachaf> It's better than all your other games.
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22:12:21 <\oren\> shachaf: https://steamcommunity.com/id/orenwatson/games/?tab=all
22:13:53 <\oren\> I'm hoping that 32 gb of ram will help build larger cities in cities: skylines too
22:19:33 <\oren\> and of course I will stress test it by having an 8 by 8 dwarf fortress too
22:21:35 <shachaf> I don't see Factorio in the list?
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22:22:26 <\oren\> shachaf: is it on sale?
22:24:25 <\oren\> if a tomato is a fruit, then is tomato soup a smoothie?
22:26:13 <shachaf> It's on sale for the usual price of $20
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22:27:20 <garit> \oren\: i thought its a berry. Then tomato soup a diluted jam
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