00:01:21 <\oren\> why does a credit card payment to someone else take 3-5 business days but transferring money to my credit card is instantaneous?
00:02:27 <shachaf> Transferring money to my credit card takes as much as any ACH transfer.
00:02:38 <shachaf> Unless it's within the same bank maybe.
00:06:05 <\oren\> yeah they are both with TD
00:06:22 <\oren\> TD credit card and TD checking account
00:12:08 <shachaf> Then it's probably because the bank can do internal transfers easily.
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00:46:03 <Roger9> can I use TwoDucks to obtain information about Feather?
00:47:03 <Sgeo> C# lambdas are like constants with a limited form of return-type polymorphism, right?
00:47:33 <Sgeo> They can be a function or an expression tree
00:47:43 <Sgeo> I'm unsober on sleep deprivation
00:51:51 <oerjan> Roger9: sounds plausible.
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00:53:18 <Roger9> One concept I had was one similar to one-bit-per-cell brainfuck, but (1) input would be written to the tape before the program begins, (2) output would be the tape at the end, and (3) rather than a bit flip or toggle, you'd only be able to swap two cell values.
00:53:32 <Roger9> so, you could, say, swap the value of cell 1 with the value of cell 2.
00:54:25 <Roger9> there'd be a swap instruction - maybe @ - that would, when first called, fill a SWAP register with a pointer to the current cell. if it's called with the register full, it would swap the cell that the register points to with the current cell, and then clear the register.
01:22:19 <quintopia> and somehow you have to design your I/0 scheme so that all possible outputs have the same number of zeroes and ones as all possible inputs
01:22:46 <quintopia> its definitely not turing complete
01:24:01 <Roger9> the number of zeroes, due to the fact that the tape is infinite, is infinite, but the number of ones can't be changed
01:24:14 <Roger9> well, "unbounded" anyway
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01:32:37 <quintopia> you could make it tc if the tape was ...010101010101011010101...
01:33:12 <Roger9> it'd be trivial to convert between that and brainfuck if the tape was initialized with repeated 01
01:33:29 <Roger9> you can represent 1 as 10, and 0 as 01
01:34:03 <Roger9> then, to toggle a bit, you'd swap the two. so "+" would become "@>@<", and ">" would become ">>" since we're using two cells to represent a toggleable bit
01:34:42 <Roger9> in principle, the input could initialize the tape with enough 1s to do the calculation with
01:34:54 <Roger9> but the input can't be infinite
01:43:49 <quintopia> another possibility for TC is ...000000000....0000inputsection111111...11111111...
01:47:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Swapfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53440 * Rdococ * (+1369) Created page with "'''Swapfuck''' is a derivative of [[brainfuck]] by [[User:Rdococ]], which shares some similarities with [[boolfuck]]. == Differences from brainfuck == * Input is loaded into..."
01:47:54 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53441&oldid=53403 * Rdococ * (+98)
01:49:09 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[BASICER]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53442&oldid=46700 * Rdococ * (-147)
01:49:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[BASICER]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53443&oldid=53442 * Rdococ * (-81)
01:50:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[BASICER]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53444&oldid=53443 * Rdococ * (-183)
01:54:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53445&oldid=53441 * Rdococ * (+181)
01:56:22 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53446&oldid=53445 * Rdococ * (+15) BASICER has unbounded input, but it is most definitely a bounded storage machine.
01:57:17 <quintopia> yeah otherwise the user would have to type 1 to continue
01:57:58 <Roger9> Well, a GOTO with only one argument goes there without asking the use.r
01:58:35 <quintopia> my bad. they would have to type 1 or 2 to continue
01:59:07 <quintopia> you should add categories to swapfuck
01:59:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53447&oldid=53446 * Rdococ * (-6) QWOP can print anything (and print things on a loop, or otherwise not halt), but it can only receive a single character of input, which means it's most likely a BSM with bounded input.
01:59:59 <Roger9> I keep forgetting about categories
02:01:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Swapfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53448&oldid=53440 * Rdococ * (+135) Added categories. Delicious.
02:02:24 <Roger9> basicfuck needs delicious categories too
02:03:35 <Roger9> quintopia: Do you think basicfuck is low-level? (It's a somewhat abstracted language that compiles to brainfuck).
02:03:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53449&oldid=53436 * Rdococ * (+80)
02:04:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Swapfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53450&oldid=53448 * Rdococ * (+35)
02:10:01 <Roger9> The language is pretty simple. It's designed to reduce the need for temporary variables, which get taken care of by the compiler.
02:13:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Basicfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53451&oldid=53449 * Rdococ * (+93)
02:14:37 <Roger9> For the moment, I've added the low-level category template to the basicfuck article. I'm not sure that actually suits it, though.
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02:33:53 <Roger9> Everybody that makes a brainfuck derivative will die...
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05:08:10 <Sgeo> I haven't looked at it in a while
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08:25:38 <shachaf> whoa, it's been more than two weeks since the last olist
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08:53:56 <HackEgo> Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Ept" oerjan the shifty knite is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
08:54:05 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty knite is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
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11:46:32 <HackEgo> 1/2:something-that-isn't-in-hackego's-wisdom//It is now. \ sgeo//Sgeo is a language nomad. (Not to be confused with a language monad.) He invented Metaplace sex, thus killing it within a month. He was Doctor Mengele in his previous life, as evidenced by his norn experiments. \ oic//OIC, OIC means Oh I see. \ for further details for futher de
11:46:33 <HackEgo> 2/2:tails.//See `? for further details for futher details. \ veetan//Veetans are a race of cuddly, yet sturdy aliens in the Drive comic. Their maximum lifespan is 25 years, but they use it well.
11:47:18 <shachaf> am i using my lifespan well?
11:48:22 <Taneb> shachaf: you can use your lifespan well to acquire lifespan from the lifespan table!
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12:00:12 <shachaf> Taneb: How does that work?
12:00:35 <Taneb> shachaf: it's quite a simple pulley system, actually
12:00:53 <Taneb> As you turn the handle, a rope coils or uncoils, raising or lowering a bucket
12:00:58 <Cale> A well W is said to be /lifespan/ if there exists a nonempty collection of lives L for which W is contained in span(L).
12:04:21 <HackEgo> Spelling of -ance/-ence words: advance, science, conference, experience, finance, insurance, licence, performance, reference, assistance, balance, defence, difference, distance, evidence, acceptance, appliance, audience, compliance, importance, influence, instance, intelligence, maintenance, preference, presence, sentence, sequence, substance, viol
12:04:45 <HackEgo> 2/2:violence, absence, accordance, alliance, appearance, assurance, attendance, circumstance, clearance, confidence, consequence, entrance, excellence, existence, fragrance, governance, guidance, independence, offence, refinance, residence, resistance, romance.
12:04:54 <b_jonas> attendance, with an "a". ok.
12:05:26 <Taneb> I get the feeling a lot of this is based on what conjugation a verb in Latin is
12:05:44 <shachaf> Cale: Wouldn't W be "lifespanned"?
12:06:18 <b_jonas> Taneb: I think it's mostly based on old french, and french and english took most of the words from there. latin didn't have half of those words.
12:06:20 <shachaf> Or maybe if it was equality rather than subset
12:06:20 <Taneb> "insto" is first conjugation, hence "instans" => "instance"
12:06:32 <b_jonas> although they might be somehow remotely basd on latin or something
12:06:35 <Taneb> "existo" is third declension, hence "existens" => "existence"
12:10:09 <Taneb> Hmm, balans is a Latin word but it means something completely different
12:11:42 <Taneb> So, a lot, possibly most, but certainly not all, are as I thought
12:27:59 <boily> helloochaf, Tanelle, Chello, b_jellonas.
12:28:18 <boily> fo instizzle ma nizzle.
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15:24:41 <zseri> I added a plugin system to XTW.
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18:18:14 <ais523> http://esoteric.codes/post/167978996903/ais523-interview-2017
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19:29:07 <\oren\> Apparently modern compilers don't emit any of the special string instructions when compiling strcmp, strcat, etc
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19:31:38 <LeoLambda> Wait really? I don't think that's true at all.
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19:45:29 <b_jonas> \oren\: yes, at least when optimizing for speed, but it depends on what exact cpu generation you're optimizing for
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19:55:29 <b_jonas> I think there's a typo in that interview, at "The niceness of a language that has a very simple implementation like this is that it’s easy to precisely specify how it works in both However,"
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20:01:29 <b_jonas> I should find time to work on that esolang I want to create
20:02:38 <b_jonas> I think I even know now how to prove that it (the esolang I want to make) can efficiently simulate a pointer machine (not just a Turing-machine, which I knew it could simulate)
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22:19:09 <int-e> @tell oerjan Ancilla thanks!
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