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00:37:58 <lambdabot> int-e said 2h 18m 48s ago: Ancilla thanks!
00:38:40 <HackEgo> @messages-loud @messages-fond / @messages-flood @messages-bond // @messages-lousy @messages-sound / @messages-lost @messages-found // @messages-proud @messages-bold / @messages-good @messages-gold
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00:44:15 <HackEgo> Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty knite is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
00:44:31 <shachaf> `swrjan s/knite/loud poet/
00:44:33 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty loud poet is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
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00:53:32 <oerjan> ais523: hm b_jonas edited your user page. it's probably innocent, but still not something we do...
00:54:30 <oerjan> mind you, you're way overqualified for a main space article.
00:54:58 <shachaf> oerjan: whoa, can we get you a main space article?
00:55:28 <ais523> oerjan: I'm mostly just amused that b_jonas edited in one interview and not the other one
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00:55:41 <shachaf> Editing ais523's user page to refer to him in third person is a bit odd.
00:55:46 <ais523> (also, it'd be a poor admin who doesn't keep up with edits to their own user page)
00:55:57 <ais523> but yes, something like that should be in articlespace really
00:56:08 <oerjan> shachaf: i already have one hth
00:56:19 <boily> hellørjan, helloochaf, his523.
00:56:44 <shachaf> But that was an empty promise, I'll just continue editing the other wiki page.
00:56:59 <shachaf> I doubt I could pass the CAPTCHA and make a wiki user.
00:59:06 <ais523> do you want me to do an admin captch override for you?
00:59:07 <oerjan> if you're having trouble with the CAPTCHE, i suggest discussing how to get through it with totallyhuman
00:59:15 <ais523> *admin captcha override
00:59:23 <oerjan> (who isn't here, anyway.)
00:59:29 <ais523> (this is an actual thing, I used to be one of the main admins doing them over at Wikipedia)
01:00:44 <shachaf> No, I don't really want an account.
01:00:49 * oerjan should have pretended he was doing italian plural
01:00:49 <shachaf> I'd start feeling obligated to edit things
01:01:01 <shachaf> That's also why I don't edit Wikipedia, and instead make oerjan do my dirty work for me.
01:01:16 <shachaf> (But then elliott got mad at me for that so I stopped doing it.)
01:02:17 <oerjan> it's been a while, then.
01:04:42 <boily> \oren\: ヘ＼＼オレン＼. https://youtu.be/3pKESMsMQBw
01:22:33 <HackEgo> 1/1:flu shot//Flu shots are usually available from some time in the first half of November. \ itay//Itay is Christmas in Italy. \ adu//Do you know adu? Adu adu adu adu adu! \ facebook//Facebook is Taneb's face collection. \ hand//A hand in the bush is better than a stoned bird.
01:26:15 <HackEgo> Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty loud poet is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who misses Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
01:26:27 <boily> oerjan: do you tap for green mana?
01:26:40 <shachaf> boily: that's a little personal, don't you think?
01:27:11 <oerjan> i have never actually played MtG hth
01:27:26 <ais523> nor have most MtG creatures, I suspect
01:27:38 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Eek" oerjan the shifty loud poet is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
01:29:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Superchargedcoffee * New user account
01:30:30 * oerjan pronounces "Roald Dahl" with a strong trill
01:30:50 <oerjan> i think that's definition 6 here https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mince
01:31:16 <shachaf> But I thought Dahl was Norwegian.
01:31:20 <oerjan> `card-by-name omnidryad
01:31:23 <shachaf> So presumably your pronunciation is correct.
01:31:28 <HackEgo> Dryad Arbor \ Land Creature -- Forest Dryad \ 1/1 \ (Dryad Arbor isn't a spell, it's affected by summoning sickness, and it has "{T}: Add {G} to your mana pool.") \ [Green color indicator.] \ FUT-U, V12-M \ \ Dryad Militant \ (g/w) \ Creature -- Dryad Soldier \ 2/1 \ If an instant or sorcery card would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, exile
01:31:32 <oerjan> shachaf: yes but we don't usually trill that much
01:31:42 <HackEgo> bin/card-by-name \ bin/random-card
01:31:56 * oerjan keeps the trill for a second or so
01:32:02 <HackEgo> Dryad Arbor \ Land Creature -- Forest Dryad \ 1/1 \ (Dryad Arbor isn't a spell, it's affected by summoning sickness, and it has "{T}: Add {G} to your mana pool.") \ [Green color indicator.] \ FUT-U, V12-M
01:32:24 <ais523> oh come on, all the dryads in Magic and it picks /that/ one?
01:32:39 <HackEgo> Vine Dryad \ 3G \ Creature -- Dryad \ 1/3 \ Flash \ Forestwalk (This creature can't be blocked as long as defending player controls a Forest.) \ You may exile a green card from your hand rather than pay Vine Dryad's mana cost. \ MM-R
01:32:47 <HackEgo> Conclave Naturalists \ 4G \ Creature -- Dryad \ 4/4 \ When Conclave Naturalists enters the battlefield, you may destroy target artifact or enchantment. \ ORI-U
01:32:49 <HackEgo> Oakheart Dryads \ 2G \ Enchantment Creature -- Nymph Dryad \ 2/3 \ Constellation -- Whenever Oakheart Dryads or another enchantment enters the battlefield under your control, target creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn. \ JOU-C
01:32:52 <boily> dryad arbor is the most bestest dryad ever.
01:32:52 <HackEgo> Unseen Walker \ 1G \ Creature -- Dryad \ 1/1 \ Forestwalk (This creature can't be blocked as long as defending player controls a Forest.) \ {1}{G}{G}: Target creature gains forestwalk until end of turn. \ MI-U, 6E-U
01:32:55 <HackEgo> Wormwood Dryad \ 2G \ Creature -- Dryad \ 3/1 \ {G}: Wormwood Dryad gains forestwalk until end of turn and deals 1 damage to you. (It can't be blocked as long as defending player controls a Forest.) \ {B}: Wormwood Dryad gains swampwalk until end of turn and deals 1 damage to you. (It can't be blocked as long as defending player controls a Swamp.)
01:33:04 <shachaf> You don't like Dryad Arbor?
01:33:04 <ais523> I conclude that dryads don't normally tap for {G}
01:33:08 <ais523> although of course they can
01:33:13 <ais523> shachaf: I do, but it's somewhat infamous
01:33:19 <shachaf> I think any permanent cacn tap for {G}
01:33:21 <ais523> it's likely the most famous Dryad by far
01:33:31 <shachaf> It's the only one I could think of offhand
01:33:34 <ais523> which is weird, because it should have been a Treefolk really
01:33:37 <shachaf> And I haven't even used it.
01:34:00 <ais523> also, you can set things up to allow any permanent to tap for {G} but most of them don't without a lot of help
01:34:06 <ais523> `card-by-name carven caryatid
01:34:07 <HackEgo> Carven Caryatid \ 1GG \ Creature -- Spirit \ 2/5 \ Defender (This creature can't attack.) \ When Carven Caryatid enters the battlefield, draw a card. \ RAV-U
01:34:16 <ais523> thought it might be another {G}-tapper
01:35:10 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53457&oldid=53394 * Superchargedcoffee * (+502) Introduction
01:44:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[List of ideas]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53458&oldid=52810 * Superchargedcoffee * (+161) /* Looks Like */
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09:42:17 <b_jonas> "ais523: hm b_jonas edited your user page. it's probably innocent, but still not something we do..." => is it? should I create a main namespace page describing ais523 in third person instead?
09:42:51 <b_jonas> "oerjan: I'm mostly just amused that b_jonas edited in one interview and not the other one" => I added the newer interview, which shows what esolanging you do now.
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10:10:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Ais523]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53460 * B jonas * (+1553) Created page with "'''ais523''' is a European mathematician and esoteric language creator. His most famous creation is [[Underload]], but he has a lot of other interesting languages listed on [..."
10:10:58 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53461&oldid=53456 * B jonas * (-120) rv. I created a main space page instead.
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18:07:37 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[XTW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53463&oldid=53452 * Zseri * (+205) +var assign cmd 'a'
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18:23:59 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnzt_4fvLjI
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18:43:36 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53464&oldid=40879 * Wheatwizard * (+178) /* Instructions */
18:44:17 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Portal]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53465&oldid=53464 * Wheatwizard * (-29) Portal is not Turing complete
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19:00:25 <hppavilion[alt]> Is there a standard way to express currency for a given year? (ISO 4217-ish, preferably)
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19:00:58 <hppavilion[alt]> Such as something like '$currency_code<sub>$year</sub> $quantity'
19:01:26 <hppavilion[alt]> I mean expressing the value of a given currency for a particular year
19:01:30 <\oren\> hppavilion[alt]: you mean like say "in USD, inflation adjusted to 2000"
19:02:10 <\oren\> well one problem is that there are different ways to measure and adjust for inflation
19:02:35 <hppavilion[alt]> I'm just going to use a subscript year on the currency for now
19:03:26 <Slereah_> yeah comparing money at two dates isn't really an exact science
19:03:37 <Slereah_> since there's a lot of things that factor in
19:03:57 <Slereah_> I think one common method is like
19:04:07 <Slereah_> Median man-hour salary to buy common commodities?
19:04:52 <\oren\> I mean my perception of inflation is kinda skewed because I only really remember how much candy bars used to cost but there are other factors in that
19:05:23 <hppavilion[alt]> Slereah_: One type of indicator is a 'basket indicator', which is basically just 'if I wanted to buy similar items in any given year, how much would it cost me?'
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19:06:42 <\oren\> a chocolate bar used to cost one dollar, tax included. nowadays it costs a dollar 30 or something
19:06:46 <hppavilion[alt]> One of my favorites is the Christmas Price Index (CPI), which is the cost of 12 partridges, 12 pear trees, 22 turtle doves, 30 french hens, 36 calling birds, etc.
19:07:08 <Slereah_> I always buy the same thing at McDonalds
19:07:47 <\oren\> of course my dad told me a chocolate bar used to cost a dime
19:07:58 <\oren\> which is sooooo unfair
19:08:33 <hppavilion[alt]> \oren\: When I was your age, you could go to the store with a quarter, buy a loaf of bread and 3 candy bars, and still have a dollar fifty left over...
19:11:17 <hppavilion[alt]> "When I was your age, a million dollars was a small loan" "No, it wasn't."
19:15:07 <int-e> . o O ( when you reach my age, a million dollars will be a small loan )
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19:39:52 <zseri> I currently think about a programming language, which can determine if a function will halt, but doesn't allow this detection if this function is in the call stack, which should be solvable.
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19:40:26 <zseri> the halting problem wouldn't occur in this language
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20:38:11 <fizzie> Any objections here re taking the free hosting for the wiki that we were offered?
20:39:40 <int-e> Does it come with any strings attached?
20:39:57 * int-e hasn't been following (but I've seen http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Funding )
20:40:33 <int-e> cute company name btw
20:41:57 <fizzie> If it has strings, they're not visible. I mean, I guess there sort of is an inherent string in any such offer that it'd take effort to move away if they reconsider.
20:42:33 <int-e> I was thinking stuff like sponsor links.
20:43:02 <fizzie> They said they'd appreciate a "tasteful, understated" (quoting myself) link back from somewhere, which I think would be reasonable anyway, but didn't imply one was required.
20:44:00 <fizzie> (We've got that "powered by mediawiki" button hanging there already, for example, and it's arguably a similar sort of thing.)
20:46:44 <int-e> I'd worry if they mandated anything, and object if it were a prominent banner (or even third party banner ads)
20:47:01 <int-e> but as is it sounds good to me
20:47:09 <pikhq> If we're talking along the lines of "Hosting provided by Foo Bar Inc" down at the bottom of the page... *shrug*
20:48:32 <zzo38> If user CSS can get rid of such notices and it won't take up so much bandwidth, then it isn't so much of a problem.
20:52:25 <zzo38> If you do not want to store the authentication data you could use OpenID, although, not everyone will have OpenID (even though I do).
20:53:58 <int-e> well... if CaC is trustworthy enough...
20:55:54 <fizzie> Yeah, I was going to say I definitely don't trust them *less* than CaC. (Though if the OpenID MediaWiki extension is considered mature/stable and there would be >1 user, we could enable it anyway. Would have to investigate.)
21:03:09 <zzo38> I also don't know if there is any "RDF-based user registration system" extension for MediaWiki or for any other programs. Many stuff can auto fill in by this way, including copying from any other service that you are registered on if they also support RDF. You can then auto fill real name, email, and any other fields you decide to make up, and even OpenID if applicable, etc
21:05:10 <zzo38> NESdev forum now has the ability to link to your RDF data in your user profile (at my request), but there is no ability to auto-fill your profile from it, to register using it, or to export it to RDF.
21:06:06 <int-e> . o O ( they need blockchain technology to make it work )
21:06:17 <int-e> fungot: what do you think of blockchains?
21:06:17 <fungot> int-e: 89715 is totally uncool.
21:06:31 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
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