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00:55:14 <zzo38> It takes thirty-five seconds for the picture to appear when the monitor is switched on. Do you know what might be wrong?
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00:57:00 <zzo38> (This includes the OSD controls; if a button is pushed before the picture appears, the OSD controls will be visible once the picture appears but not before that.)
00:59:02 <zzo38> Also, I get a high pitch noise from the monitor while it is switched off. When it is turned on or unplugged, the noise goes away until switched off again.
01:03:45 <zzo38> (I timed it using a clock with a second hand; there is one above the television so I took that into the computer room temporarily in order to time it.)
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03:11:53 <zzo38> This time it took fifty seconds.
03:12:04 <zzo38> Hooloovo0: It is VGA, and it is a LCD monitor.
03:12:29 <Hooloovo0> what kind? it doesn't seem like a very good one
03:13:00 <zzo38> It didn't used to do that; it used to be much faster. It only started being slow recently.
03:13:26 <zzo38> (Once the picture is visible though, it will continue to work OK until it is switched off again or is idle.)
03:13:49 <zzo38> (I have done some tests and it does seem to be a problem with the monitor, not with the computer.)
03:14:01 <zzo38> Maybe the problem is a capacitor.
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03:19:23 <zzo38> Do you know about anything like this?
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04:09:59 <deltab> you could try asking in ##electronics
04:10:43 <Hooloovo0> yeah, ##electronics is a great resource
04:11:07 <Hooloovo0> though, since you mention a high-pitched frequency, it certainly sounds like a capacitor is suspicious
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05:04:32 <zzo38> They explained some things; that is good
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07:35:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Aubergine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53476&oldid=50058 * Quintopia * (+17) Influenced
08:53:32 <HackEgo> 180) <zzo38> Invent the game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly) \ 588) <ais523\unfoog> Vorpal: your ability to randomly make obvious comments in IRC as if they were profound is not a particularly useful one
08:53:57 <shachaf> Vorpal: I wonder what prompted 588.
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10:19:10 <myname> i would totally play sandwich
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10:50:29 <int-e> <elliott> "One day in September of 2011 — though I'm not sure precisely which one — marked Befunge-93's 18th birthday. That means that Befunge is now old enough to drink in its native land of Canada. To celebrate this, I thought I'd get Befunge-93 drunk to see what would happen."
10:52:44 <int-e> Flobnar, hmm. No esolangs page, but there's https://github.com/catseye/Flobnar
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11:20:15 <Vorpal> shachaf: I have no idea. grep the logs?
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11:23:20 <int-e> the context isn't very enlightening. Some PHP debugging, and then <Vorpal> $user->session_begin(); <Vorpal> hm <Vorpal> so session data <Vorpal> well, that would require analysing a lot of the stuff to figure that out ... maybe it goes back further.
11:24:34 <fizzie> http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-10-31#211957ais523unfoog
11:25:08 <fizzie> It's a shame codu.org logs stopped, the formatting and linkability was nice.
11:26:44 <int-e> . o O ( This is where shachaf suggests that fizzie could run his own IRC logging bot. )
11:28:06 <fizzie> If I'm going to be running that non-HackEgo wiki gateway, I guess logging the channel would be an obvious extra feature for it.
11:28:08 <int-e> (To be clear, that idea is, of course, mine. But it does sound like something shachaf would say.)
11:28:36 <fizzie> Would have to feed historical data into it to be initially useful though.
11:28:59 <int-e> nah, it would be useful even without historical data
11:30:41 <fizzie> There are 4516623 rows in my logs table for this channel.
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11:32:51 <fizzie> Actually, I wonder if we already missed the channel turning 15 years.
11:32:59 <fizzie> It was started around this time of the year in 2002.
11:33:19 <fizzie> I think I looked this up sometime earlier this year.
11:34:50 <int-e> registered : Jan 03 01:30:22 2003 (14y 48w 2d ago)
11:34:59 <fizzie> Yes, but not created then.
11:35:12 <fizzie> Judging from the mailing list posts, either 8th or 9th of December.
11:35:34 <fizzie> So next Fri/Sat then. How are we going to celebrate?
11:35:59 <int-e> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:08:17 +0000 (GMT)
11:35:59 <int-e> From: "Al. Andreou" <ee4299@ee.teiath.gr>
11:35:59 <int-e> OK, so now we can be found at OPN, #esoteric (it's ours!).
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11:38:38 <shachaf> int-e: It sounds like something I would say?
11:38:55 <shachaf> I don't think I'd've thought to think it, let alone say it.
11:40:44 <fizzie> int-e: Yes, it's just that the suggestion for using Freenode was on 8th, so you can only say it's somewhere between those two emails.
11:43:37 <int-e> fizzie: Ah, there's a big difference between the Date: header and the first Received: header, wow. I probably looked at one of the latter.
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11:45:15 <int-e> Received: [...] 08 Dec 2002 20:43:04 -0700 (MST) / Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 11:39:43 -0800
11:46:09 <int-e> (And being a European I would interpret the former as Dec 9th. :P)
11:48:01 <shachaf> I was not using IRC at that time.
11:48:09 <shachaf> Did I speak English at that time?
11:49:02 <shachaf> whoa whoa whoa, int-e registered his account exactly 10 weeks before I registered mine
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11:57:01 <fizzie> I was trying to find when I joined the mailing list, but my emails from that era are even less sorted. Earliest I can find is 23 Apr 2001, but that's already from the "new" (sange.fi) list.
11:59:13 <int-e> Oh I was still joking about annual trips around the sun at the time.
12:00:15 <fizzie> http://esoteric.sange.fi/archive/
12:00:50 <shachaf> fizzie: Looking forward to Independence day?
12:02:05 <fizzie> I'm hoping they're light up something here in blue-white colours. They're doing that in a bunch of places (Globen in Stockholm, the Niagara Falls, the Colosseum) but they haven't published the full list yet.
12:02:32 <shachaf> There's a local independence gala in 12 hours, maybe I should go.
12:07:42 <fizzie> "I don't mind if you send attachments to the list, as long as they're not atrociously huge - let's try to keep them in the tens-of-kilobytes range. But if you do send an attachment, make sure to note that your posting is [Long] in the subject line, for the benefit of subscribers who have limited connection options."
12:07:50 <fizzie> Things have changed a little since then.
12:09:23 <int-e> Well things would be great if data size had not grown with the available bandwidth.
12:11:52 <shachaf> I mean, it's grown, but not as much as bandwidth.
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17:14:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:LucasMW]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53479 * LucasMW * (+333) My First Page
17:17:54 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:LucasMW]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53480&oldid=53479 * LucasMW * (+85)
17:20:37 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Headache]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53481&oldid=45033 * LucasMW * (+129) About another Headache Lang
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17:44:23 <zzo38> The picture on my computer is getting slower; this time it took seventy seconds.
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19:02:58 <int-e> Meh the new NoScript interface is horrible.
19:04:47 <int-e> (And I think I just realized what it is... unfamiliar look aside, I have to aim more carefully now, both horizontal and vertical positioning matters now.)
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19:23:07 <int-e> So what alternatives are there... that support the untrusted/allow temporarily/make permissions permanent workflow?
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20:51:09 <variable> o.O I wonder what will happen to my iced tea if I shut watered off
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21:22:21 <watered> variable: I'm the light of the universe
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21:29:42 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Crement]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53482&oldid=53396 * Zzo38 * (+758) Macros
21:38:41 <\oren\> Hmm, I wonder if there is a better way to divide two numbers than repeated substraction
21:41:45 <\oren\> not sure how that helps who
21:43:25 <variable> \oren\: never heard of it, but it sounds like a fun game
21:44:33 <\oren\> quintopia: faster, ideally
21:44:43 <anarki1911> \oren\: is the divisor constant/known ?
21:44:58 <quintopia> i've never played it. isn't it a zachtronics game?
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21:45:39 <\oren\> quintopia: yeah, you have a grid of nodes, each of which is a computer with two registers that can talk to the ones around them
21:46:30 <\oren\> and each compuer can have 15 assembly instructions in its program memroy
21:47:51 <\oren\> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1220769883
21:48:07 <\oren\> This is what I have for division right now
21:48:53 <\oren\> It's not using the stack memory nodes because I couldn't think of a way to use them
21:50:05 <\oren\> the other problem is that you can't even use the other register except by using one of your precious instructions to swap it with the accumulator
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22:09:37 <fizzie> \oren\: I used the stack memory, but only to pass things right through. My only nodes that have something else than a single "MOV X, Y" instruction (where X, Y are directions) are the three left ones in the top row.
22:12:09 <fizzie> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1220792301
22:20:37 <\oren\> It took a whol bunch of work but I made it fadter by special casing 1 as divisor
22:21:26 <fizzie> Huh, there were two completely unnecessary instructions in the screenshot.
22:25:17 <\oren\> fizzie: what performance do u get with that
22:25:37 <fizzie> 7299 cycles, 25 instructions, now that I fixed the silliness.
22:25:56 <fizzie> The cycle count wasn't affected by that, I guess it wasn't a bottleneck.
22:26:42 <\oren\> I got 5452 by special casing 1 but it needed 33 instructions
22:27:52 <\oren\> https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/870748015994009129/31E6FC0D7DC0A792213B340F509C5FC95CB4B476/
22:28:26 <\oren\> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1220807027
22:29:02 <\oren\> and that node is now entirely full of instructions...
22:30:30 <\oren\> hmm, actually, I'm not sure how it's counting instructions, because that looks like more than 33
22:35:43 <\oren\> oh i see, the statistics are best of all the solutions you've made that makes sense
22:37:40 <int-e> which of the problems do you need that division for?
22:38:37 <int-e> oh there's the sequence averager
22:39:59 <\oren\> int-e: yeah but in that case you would want to use few nodes rather than optimize for speed
22:41:20 <int-e> oh bottom row, signal divider
22:42:11 <int-e> I didn't bother, apparently. 28 instructions, 6 nodes, 28 instructions.
22:45:11 <int-e> To make it faster, one could try dividing by, say, 4B first, and then the remainder by B.
22:46:05 <int-e> (and in principle you can even do a binary division scheme, where the stack might actually come in handy)
22:46:17 <int-e> but it seemed to be too much effort.
23:03:27 <int-e> sigh. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1172126
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