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02:30:03 <fizzie> Heh, someone's crawler ("DomainCrawler/3.0") just crawled through the staging.esolangs.org copy of the wiki, apparently because someone else had a leftover domain name pointing at the IP.
02:32:01 <fizzie> (The domain the crawler used was <something>.co.uk, and there's a <something>.com pointing at a different server hosted on the same provider, so I'm guessing they only remembered to update the first one.)
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07:40:13 <zzo38> Can we make up some kind of quantum teleportation in GURPS?
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14:50:04 <int-e> fungot: what do you know about unaffiliated clocks?
14:50:04 <fungot> int-e: oh, i'll leave...
14:50:14 <fungot> int-e: and static typing is how i learned to debug zetalisp manual and its introspection capabilities were very smalltalk-like. not continuations as such but instead calculated like that
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15:39:07 <fizzie> Hmm. The last person to make an account tried twice to edit [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]], but both attempts were blocked by the filter.
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15:44:11 <fizzie> Apparently because they kept trying to remove one of the two empty lines after the <!-- New introductions ... --> comment.
15:46:50 <int-e> (hmm, could the editor do such a thing automatically?)
15:47:26 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53495&oldid=53493 * Fizzie * (+61) Warn about deleting empty lines in the instructions.
15:48:24 <fizzie> Well, it didn't do it automatically to me, at least.
15:49:39 <fizzie> Maybe I should just remove the line they tried to remove anyway, I don't think two empty lines make the source any more readable than one.
15:50:41 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53496&oldid=53495 * Fizzie * (-1) Remove a superfluous empty line.
15:50:47 <quintopia> don't you think it's time for a new featured language?
15:51:33 <Taneb> "Hello, world!" is a quine in HQ9+
15:52:05 <LKoen> I don't know. brainfuck has only been there four years.
15:52:25 <fizzie> Has it been four years already? Sounds dubious.
15:52:30 <quintopia> i miss the days where it actually changed on occasion
15:52:50 <Taneb> I think Underload should be the next featured language
15:53:28 <quintopia> I don't care what the next is, as long as it isn't a brainfuck derivative :P
15:54:00 <fizzie> It's proposed in https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Featured_languages/Candidates and hasn't been featured yet, and the article's pretty comprehensive, so I'd be happy with featuring Underload.
15:55:31 <fizzie> Does someone want to add an {{infobox proglang ...}} for Underload? ;)
15:56:15 <fizzie> I'd also like to have Befunge as the featured language at some point, but the article is not super great.
15:56:51 <fizzie> By the way, I'll be migrating the wiki over to a new server probably this Sunday, so expect maybe an hour or two of being locked in matrix of soli.. I mean, in read-only mode.
15:57:52 <int-e> (I've moved that thing 3 times already.)
15:58:02 <int-e> (But I think a wiki is more... uhm... interesting.)
15:59:02 <quintopia> is it a """""functional""""" language?
15:59:17 <quintopia> or does that need more scare quotes?
15:59:25 <fizzie> int-e: I wrote down a cheat sheet for setting up the "CaC is down again" backup copy, so it's not too painful any more. It's pretty close to restoring from backups, after all.
16:00:31 <fizzie> (It's basically "undump the mysql database, rsync and chmod the image upload folders, run a maintenance PHP script to regenerate the file cache".)
16:01:05 <Taneb> quintopia: a swear word in Latin
16:01:12 <fizzie> The previous hosting company, Cloud At Cost.
16:01:19 <fizzie> (At the cost of your sanity.)
16:02:05 <quintopia> is there a file extension for underload programs?
16:03:03 <fizzie> The test files for fungot's Underload interpreter are .ul files.
16:03:04 <fungot> fizzie: that i definitely need to write up a bool debugger so it's easier for beginners to get over the initial, for the practice and associated ill effects of sword swallowing. design: letters sent to sword swallowers requesting information on technique and complications. setting: membership lists of the form
16:03:14 <fizzie> I don't know how canonical that is, or if I just named 'em like that myself.
16:04:17 <quintopia> it's canonical until ais523 says otherwise
16:04:35 <fizzie> http://yiap.nfshost.com/esoteric.php?f=underload uses it.
16:06:26 <fizzie> (In fact, 99.ul from there is one of the test files. The other is burden.ul, which I think is a test suite elliott wrote.)
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16:07:24 <quintopia> are there any languages that underload influenced
16:10:16 <Taneb> quintopia: it definitely influenced Fueue
16:11:17 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Underload]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53497&oldid=51408 * Quintopia * (+309) infobox
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16:12:33 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Underload]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53498&oldid=53497 * Quintopia * (+11) fueue
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16:15:37 <quintopia> i think the befunge article isn't that great because everyone's hoping cpressey will do it...
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16:18:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Underload]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53499&oldid=53498 * Quintopia * (-184) remove dead link
16:19:16 <quintopia> the underload article mentions a reference interpreter, but at no point does it ever say "this link here goes to the reference implementation"
16:35:56 <quintopia> i feel like we, as a community, need to come together on names for the new programming paradigms we have invented. what is the paradigm for muriel?
16:38:58 <quintopia> a bit imprecise. it doesn't have to quine itself. it can replace itself with a different program at any time.
16:39:15 <Taneb> Succession-oriented
16:39:53 <quintopia> what is the paradigm for Resplicate?
16:41:21 <Taneb> I haven't seen ResPlicate before
16:42:08 <Taneb> It's almost a tag machine
16:46:46 <quintopia> except the rules are not separate from the string being rewritten. but i would agree it is in the same order if not the same family
16:52:05 <b_jonas> quintopia: is that the paradigm it shares with Slashes and Fuun DNA?
16:52:48 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Fuun DNA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53500&oldid=46724 * B jonas * (+48)
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17:01:48 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Fuun RNA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53501&oldid=46725 * B jonas * (+26)
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17:16:13 <quintopia> b_jonas: /// is string-rewriting paradigm
17:22:41 <b_jonas> quintopia: yes, but it's also one where you can only execute each statement in the source code once, and you have to explicitly modify the source code to add more lines if you want to loop
17:23:05 <b_jonas> or am I confusing that with another esolang?
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17:24:17 <Vorpal> quintopia: what about the paradigm of befunge-98?
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17:55:50 <quintopia> Vorpal: is it not imperative? i thought all the fungeoids were
17:58:15 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Bauberqueue]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53502 * Quintopia * (+4656) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Bauberqueue |paradigms=Post-like |author=[[User:Quintopia]] |year=[[:Category:2017|2017]] |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|Turing complete]] |refimp..."
18:06:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Bauberqueue/bauberqueue.py]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=53503 * Quintopia * (+3320) Created page with "Reference implementation for [[Bauberqueue]] in Python. import sys from collections import defaultdict def load(filename): try: listing = defaultdict(list..."
18:07:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53504&oldid=53429 * Quintopia * (+18) bauberqueue
18:08:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Quintopia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53505&oldid=50831 * Quintopia * (+102) bauberqueue
18:10:19 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Hello world program in esoteric languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53506&oldid=53283 * Quintopia * (+100) bauberqueue
18:11:28 <choco_chuck> does anyone have any resources for actually programming a tag or post system?
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19:13:45 <quintopia> choco_chuck: the wikipedia article on tag systems is pretty decent
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19:34:44 <\oren\> TIL apparently C89 doesn't support signed zeros
19:42:55 <zzo38> I thought whether it support signed integer zeros is a feature of the computer and not of the programming language. For floating numbers there is signed zeros I think, though; but maybe that too is only by the feature of the computer and not of the programming language, I don't know
19:45:36 <\oren\> supposedly in C89 there isn't support for floating point signed zero
19:46:46 <zzo38> But I thought it is depending on the floating point format used in the computer that the program is for.
19:50:23 <fizzie> What does "support" mean here? C89 has the same model for floating-point types, which is a sign-magnitude one. (C89 footnote 8 even says: "This model precludes floating-point representations other than sign-magnitude.")
19:55:16 <fizzie> I guess it might mean there isn't necessarily any way of distinguishing between negative and positive zero, since they compare equal, and C89 <math.h> doesn't have any functions for getting the sign of a floating-point value.
19:58:39 <fizzie> Though looks like even C11 allows for a floating point representation that doesn't differentiate them. (C11 5.2.4.2.2p4: "An implementation may give zero -- a sign or may leave [it] unsigned. Wherever such values are unsigned, any requirement -- to retrieve the sign shall produce an unspecified sign, and any requirement to set the string shall be ignored.")
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20:19:46 <wob_jonas> If, for esoteric purposes, I write numbers in radix 5 (rather than 10 or 16), what would you call that? quinquenary, quinary, quintimal, pantamal?
20:20:45 <wob_jonas> \oren\: for your font, can I request the character "兩" (which is related to "両")?
20:21:13 <wob_jonas> \oren\: it's another character that's rare in Japanese, but more common in Chinese
20:21:32 <fizzie> Quinary is I think the normal one.
20:21:45 <fizzie> "Quinary (base-5 or pental[1][2][3])", says Wikipedia.
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20:49:53 <choco_chuck> quintopia: thanks but I've read that and am still not sure how to go about programming it
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20:56:22 * int-e idly wonders whether thumbs gets a lot of ups and downs.
20:58:53 <wob_jonas> So a settee is the same as a couch. English has too many words, again.
20:59:52 <int-e> newspeak is a terrible idea
21:00:27 <HackEgo> wise:Uninstalling software installed by the Wise Installation Wizard is unwise. It's neither clockwise nor counterclockwise nor otherwise.
21:08:33 <int-e> wob_jonas: Actually I have more of a problem with the fact that english has too few words. A coach trains, but a train coach doesn't.
21:09:50 <wob_jonas> int-e: it has too many words, but also misses words for a few things. the latter isn't such a big problem, someone popular can spread new terminology when there's a need.
21:09:54 <int-e> (but they're both useful for moving people forward :-P)
21:10:45 <wob_jonas> I'd like a general word for people whose job is to talk with customers of the business directly (as opposed to only talking with co-workers or talking with nobody).
21:11:26 <zzo38> O, it is the "customer-speecher", I suppose, then.
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21:17:20 <int-e> (or support slave)
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21:37:16 <quintopia> wob_jonas: macmillan dictionary defines the adjective "customer-facing". The associated jobs are "customer-facing roles".
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21:46:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MISC-x86]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=53508&oldid=20089 * B jonas * (+55)
21:48:20 <lambdabot> *** "settee" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
21:48:20 <lambdabot> n 1: a long wooden bench with a back [syn: {settle}, {settee}]
21:48:38 <fizzie> That doesn't sound entirely equivalent.
21:49:09 <Taneb> ... I always called the larger sofa in my parents' living room the settee
21:49:25 <Taneb> English is a lie, words lack intrinsic meaning
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22:04:57 <int-e> fortunately people don't operate for long in a vacuum so there'll always be context
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23:43:14 <moony> helloily the invisible
23:44:20 <boily> itym “helloily the eating”.
23:45:38 <moony> boily, i called you invisible because i missed your join message.
23:47:00 <boily> visibility is orthogonal to nutrition.
23:47:40 <quintopia> how many aubergine derivatives do i need to make before there is a Category:Aubergine derivatives?
23:48:16 <boily> I think we can rightfully categorize it now.
23:49:53 <boily> besides, aubergines derivatives are, like, the most bestest :D
23:59:50 <boily> I cook a mean yu xiang aubergine.