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00:23:54 <lambdabot> CYUL 200000Z 26012G18KT 15SM FEW030 BKN042 03/00 A2952 RMK SC1SC6 SLP001
00:23:57 <lambdabot> KATL 192352Z 29003KT 10SM -RA BKN020 BKN060 OVC110 16/14 A3014 RMK AO2 RAB51 SLP208 P0000 60000 T01560139 10172 20150 55002
00:24:07 <boily> 16!%!%??!?!???%&?&(%?&@???@@@@@!!!!!!!!
00:26:07 <lambdabot> EGLL 200020Z AUTO 28003KT 7000 BKN004 OVC010 07/06 Q1035 BECMG 4000 BR
00:26:18 <fizzie> They're saying double digits for the holidays.
00:26:58 <fizzie> Ooh, it's cow weather back "home".
00:26:59 <lambdabot> EFHK 200020Z 22008KT 9000 -SG BKN003 M00/M00 Q1027 TEMPO 4000
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00:35:33 <boily> `relcome MrBismuth
00:35:34 <HackEgo> MrBismuth: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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00:51:32 <quintopia> and i can take or leave it if i choose
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01:24:50 <fizzie> I was going to say a "Vegi bot" from someone's SEO company is crawling the wiki and little confused about how URIs work.
01:25:13 <fizzie> It just tried to fetch "/irc://...", for example.
01:25:38 <wob_jonas> fizzie: that's not _too_ unreasonable actually
01:26:04 <wob_jonas> fizzie: given how often people put incorrect links in informal writings that require a bit of creativity to interpret
01:26:21 <wob_jonas> for a search engine it makes sense to speculatively try to modify a link in case a modified version works
01:26:35 <wob_jonas> like, you know, trying to remove some punctuation mark from the end
01:28:04 <fizzie> Actually, not quite sure where we even have an irc:// link, the one on [[Esolang:Community portal]] is a regular HTTP link to webchat.freenode.net.
01:30:09 <fizzie> There was an earlier crawler which crawled every non-main-namespace page something like 16 times if not more, because it was trying to access something like "/wiki/Esolangs%3AFoo", for which Mediawiki sends a 302 to "/wiki/Esolangs:Foo" (I guess to make the location bar look nicer), but then something inside the crawler re-encoded the : back to %3A before following it.
01:30:43 <wob_jonas> fizzie: yeah, I remember you said that.
01:31:21 <fizzie> Wonder what <firstname><lastname>seoagency.com even does with their own crawler.
01:32:03 <wob_jonas> can you tell a specific url with that irc thing in it?
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01:33:00 <fizzie> It tried three: /irc://irc.freenode.org/esoteric /irc://irc.afternet.org/linc /irc://freenode/DDR,isnick
01:33:42 <fizzie> (Also it used www.esolangs.org for every single request, which just redirect to the non-www. one.)
01:34:52 <fizzie> https://www.webmasterworld.com/search_engine_spiders/4817453.htm "Despite the proclamation "we follow your robots.txt before crawling" they did not even request robots.txt."
01:34:55 <fizzie> The Internet is a noisy place.
01:35:49 <wob_jonas> fizzie: that's hard to tell. they might have requested robots.txt from another host.
01:36:20 <fizzie> It's possible. They didn't include the user agent in the request, at least.
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04:30:32 * ais523 saw the typo "12nd" on a link (used as an ordinal number) and mentally corrected it to "tweldest"
04:30:47 <ais523> before I realised that that didn't make sense either, although I knew what it meant
04:30:53 <ais523> (presumably the correct correction was "12th")
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08:36:52 <\oren\_> In what era did anyone introduce themselves with "wa ga na wa"
08:37:19 <variable> I love VLC. Its icon changes to a a christmas hat during this time of year
08:38:07 <variable> https://www.dropbox.com/s/csikqo16g4pxp7r/Screenshot%202017-12-20%2000.38.04.png?dl=0
08:38:16 <\oren\_> holy shit you're right I just checked
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09:26:32 <variable> silly Q: is it possible to non-deterministic but turing complete?
09:27:00 <variable> or is there some version of turing completeness defined for non-deterimistic processes
09:27:17 <variable> note: I'm not talking abut a NDTM
09:27:32 <Taneb> I... was just about to mention NDTMs
09:27:43 <Taneb> What precisely do you mean by non-deterministic?
09:28:01 <variable> a transition between states decided by a random value
09:28:25 <variable> or an action to the tape decided by a random value
09:28:42 <Taneb> Like Whenever, maybe?
09:28:55 <variable> oh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probabilistic_Turing_machine
09:29:01 <variable> that's exactly what I'm looking for
09:29:13 <variable> the transition table contains a propability function
09:29:41 <variable> what I wasn't sure how we'd defined acceptance
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09:36:25 <variable> Taneb: unrelated - I forgot about whenever
09:36:25 <variable> but I really wanted to write a language like it
09:39:20 <Taneb> Remember the two cakes rule
09:39:43 <Taneb> While you might see this amazing esolang that somebody else made that you think is way better than yours
09:40:03 <Taneb> An audience will look at your esolang, and look at the other esolang, and say "Wow! Two esolangs!"
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10:53:09 <Taneb> @djinn (((a -> b) -> v) -> v) -> ((a -> v) -> v) -> (b -> v) -> v
10:53:09 <lambdabot> f a b c = b (\ d -> a (\ e -> c (e d)))
10:55:42 <fizzie> @. pl djinn (((a -> b) -> v) -> v) -> ((a -> v) -> v) -> (b -> v) -> v
10:55:42 <lambdabot> f = flip (.) . (. ((. flip id) . (.))) . (.)
10:56:14 <Taneb> It's amazing how easy it is to make lambdabot flip out
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11:27:41 <Taneb> :t (>>>) . (. ((. (&)) . (.))) . (.)
11:27:42 <lambdabot> (((a -> b) -> c1) -> c2) -> ((a -> c2) -> c3) -> (b -> c1) -> c3
11:28:18 <Taneb> Hmm, does this suggest a type-changing continuation indexed applicative?
11:35:41 <Taneb> @djinn (a -> (b -> j) -> k) -> ((a -> i) -> j) -> (b -> i) -> k
11:35:54 <Taneb> OK, so we can't make it into a monad quite
11:36:04 <Taneb> @djinn (a -> (b -> i) -> i) -> ((a -> i) -> i) -> (b -> i) -> i
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11:36:15 <Taneb> @. type djinn (a -> (b -> i) -> i) -> ((a -> i) -> i) -> (b -> i) -> i
11:36:17 <lambdabot> Perhaps you need a 'let' in a 'do' block?
11:36:27 <Taneb> @type \a b c -> b (\d -> a d c)
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11:36:29 <lambdabot> (t1 -> t2 -> t3) -> ((t1 -> t3) -> t4) -> t2 -> t4
11:45:47 <Taneb> So, conclusion: there is a continuation indexed applicative but not monad
11:51:53 <Taneb> Nezt question is, is such a thing useful?
11:52:39 <Taneb> Actually, https://gist.github.com/pthariensflame/5716594 has the monad instance I was looking for
11:52:43 <Taneb> Why didn't djinn find it?
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13:38:15 <b_jonas> Hmm. I think I somehow got an error message in swedish from a program somehow. Strange bug.
13:38:43 <b_jonas> I closed the window too quickly so I'm not quite sure. I'm trying to reproduce it.
13:39:32 <b_jonas> (Also was encoded wrong for the terminal.)
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16:10:04 <b_jonas> ais523: I've been thinking and reading a bit more about this cryptography thing, and it's even more complicated than I thought
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21:40:29 * oerjan is trying to find a counterexample to int-e's conjecture that countercall functions are either clamped or total, but had a bit of a brain fart
21:42:39 <oerjan> i _do_ seem to find some functions that aren't clamped but don't grow uniformly
21:43:02 <oerjan> like f : -3 g 6; g : -6 f 3
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21:45:47 <oerjan> seems like that works with multiplying it by a constant too
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21:54:55 <wob_jonas> I just ran into the limitation of FAT32 that it doesn't store files larger than 4 gigabytes. I was trying to copy a large archive to an SD card. I'm recreating the archive split to one gigabyte sized volumes now. Good thing that option still exists, remaining from the days of floppy disks.
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22:03:56 <wob_jonas> Apparently Intercal is mainstream enough that even Donald Knuth has published a program written in it.
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22:12:09 <oerjan> wob_jonas: i vaguely recall knuth was somehow the impetus to ais523 and esr merging their c-intercal implementations.
22:12:51 <oerjan> or something like that. i said it was vague.
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22:24:54 <wob_jonas> And yes, Donald Knuth is awesome. His books are probably an important factor in why I like software stuff so much.
22:25:32 <wob_jonas> As in, when I was young, they were the most awesome books in the school library, so I tried to read them a lot. Obviously there's a lot that I didn't understand in them.
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22:53:36 <boily> oerjan: how's life in northland?
22:53:39 * oerjan saw someone named "Kim Jong-hyun" in wikipedia's recent deaths list, and thought "so did he kill another family member?" but it turned out it was some completely unrelated south korean.
22:54:29 <oerjan> boily: i've bought my traditional nutella balls for christmas
22:55:31 <oerjan> also the snow has mostly rained away again
22:57:29 <boily> the infamous nutella balls strike again I see.
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