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00:06:20 <oerjan> boily: i assume they recently updated the debian servers as well to something that includes it.
00:07:04 <oerjan> boily: basically, i read mail on alpine via an NFS mount, and with the change the locking is no longer done properly, and alpine panics.
00:07:37 <oerjan> (i assume it's NFS that has changed its behavior.)
00:08:45 <oerjan> (previously, i had the problem on their fedora server (which is still use for irc.)
00:09:20 <oerjan> i probably should look into changing alpine to use IMAP or whatever.
00:11:04 <oerjan> i assume whoever changed the NFS clients doesn't consider it a bug. maybe it's just a different configuration default.
00:11:15 <boily> as a sanity expert, I think IMAP is saner.
00:11:45 <oerjan> it will still keep the mail in my inbox even after i read it, right?
00:12:21 <oerjan> (i should clean it up and move things to other folders some day, it's up to 2000 messages.)
00:13:44 <oerjan> it started growing fiercely once agora got active again.
00:14:29 <boily> I had a custom mutt binary setup against my gmail account. it was pretty nice!
00:14:46 <boily> (custom because I was experimenting with GPG and stuff.)
00:16:07 <oerjan> i've never got an gmail account, or google anything account.
00:16:30 <oerjan> still using the old student club email.
00:18:29 <oerjan> incidentally, since i can never remember this, i looked up on the web how to find out what distro the server was running. the suggestion i found was cat /etc/issue ...
00:19:20 <boily> it works. “Ubuntu Bionic Beaver (development branch) \n \l”
00:19:43 <oerjan> guess what my output was.
00:21:12 <boily> Apple Windows 16.04?
00:21:13 <shachaf> no, that really is my guess
00:21:28 <oerjan> shachaf: i did not try it on HackEgo hth
00:21:36 <HackEgo> cat: /etc/issue: No such file or directory
00:21:39 <oerjan> Kernel \r on an \m (\l)
00:21:48 <shachaf> try cat /etc/lsb-release hth
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00:22:08 <oerjan> shachaf: i did find cat /etc/*release suggested later on the same page.
00:22:23 <shachaf> Actually it seems to me that each distribution has its own standard for what to call that cross-distribution standard file.
00:22:28 <oerjan> which worked (although i tried with echo first because i'm a little paranoid.)
00:22:57 <shachaf> a conspiracy of catographers
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01:32:45 <boily> oerjan: just for you: https://youtu.be/u0tb-osR_XI
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02:06:52 <oerjan> well i understood very little of that.
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02:28:34 <wob_jonas> boily: you're a sanitation expert?
02:29:35 <wob_jonas> oerjan: for what distro you're running, check if you have a /etc/debian_version file, and check for /etc/apt/sources.list , that's often revealing
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02:35:24 <wob_jonas> It can also be worth to test uname -a , in case the machine is running a distribution-compiled kernel, eg. for a debian-compiled kernel the output will mention Debian
02:36:41 <wob_jonas> and even if it's not a distribution-compiled kernel, just knowing if it's a Linux kernel or a FreeBSD one narrows down the search to somewhat fewer distros, even though debian supports both, most distros support only one
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02:40:53 <wob_jonas> oerjan: oh, and one more. look at /etc/motd . it's probably customized more often than /etc/issue , so it might be less indicative, but it's still worth a try.
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03:31:30 * oerjan thinks wob_jonas is missing the point, which is that i am having trouble remembering _one_ way of doing this, so adding _more_ is just making the problem worse.
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03:44:57 <quintopia> any of you happen to know where vyssotsky happened to come up with the term "thread"/"threading"?
03:53:24 <shachaf> oerjan: have you tried putting it in `? oerjan hth
03:53:39 <HackEgo> Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Ook" oerjan the shifty loud hero is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never render the word "amortized" so he put it here for connivance. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
03:54:01 <shachaf> `swrjan s/render/remember/; s/connivance/convenience/
03:54:18 <HackEgo> oerjan//Your omnidryad saddle principal swatty kind "Darth Ook" oerjan the shifty loud hero is a hazy expert in minor compaction. Also a Groadep who minces Roald Dahl. He could never remember the word "amortized" so he put it here for convenience. His ark-nemesis is Noah. He twice punned without noticing it.
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04:21:39 <oerjan> just a few more edits, and it will entirely understandable and accurate...
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04:22:29 <shachaf> Do you like string diagrams?
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06:15:14 <zzo38> One chess variant is to use the Chinese rule that the kings are not allowed to look at each other.
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16:26:48 <alercah> Slereah: The rule in xiangqi is that the two kings cannot be on the same file with no pieces in between. There's no similar rule for diagonals or ranks, because it is impossible for the kings to move into a position where they would be on the same diagonal or row
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17:10:07 <esowiki> [[Talk:Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54479&oldid=54473 * Hq9++fan * (+236) /* Arithmetic questions (storage, overflow) */
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17:28:55 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54481&oldid=53801 * Hq9++fan * (+29) Brainfuck not turing complete?!
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21:46:37 <boily> fungot: you know you want to.
21:46:56 <alercah> boily: when is mahjontreal
21:51:56 <fizzie> fungot: Such a positive message you've got today.
21:51:56 <fungot> fizzie: i don't remember. i think i'm getting confused by the term " ideally"
21:52:31 <shachaf> fungot: are you a coherent space
21:52:31 <fungot> shachaf: that's the fnord fault. core dumped. it's somewhat like a generic function either.
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21:53:42 <boily> hellorcah! montriichi is September 22（土）～ 23（日）
21:53:47 <HackEgo> 15) <bsmntbombdood> there is plenty of room to have two heads \ 1145) <zzo38> Despite the various chess variants (even Chess 2), even ordinary FIDE chess is a fine playable game. But so can others be!
21:55:22 <shachaf> `mkx bin/‴//quote; quote; quote
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22:48:31 <HackEgo> 896) <zzo38> Eat people who are in the "food jail". \ 684) <fizzie> Stupid W|A doesn't even understand "Vatican papal density". (As far as countries go, they've got a quite high one.) \ 222) <Deewiant> !bfjoust sm3 < <EgoBot> Score for Deewiant_sm3: 43.4
22:50:21 <HackEgo> 1222) <oren> when i was a kid it used to snow on christmas eve. what is this "freezing rain", "sleet" crap? <vanila> yeah seriously, who is evn in charge anymore? <oren> apparently not santa claus <zzo38> Santa Claus is dead by now. \ 1223) <{\[oren]|}> ｚｚｏ３８：ｉｔ ｗｉｌｌ ｃａｕｓｅ ｐｒｏｂｌｅｍｓ ｂｙ
22:50:50 <HackEgo> 1/2:zomgmodules//ZOMGMODULES is both a small blonde veterinarian and just modules over the ring of ZOMGs. \ usual suspect//There are 3.99 usual suspects in #esoteric, but they're usually rounded up. \ it'//It's written with an apostrophe. \ redundancy//Since redundancy exists, it's redundant for Taneb to invent it. \ orin//orin is oren's
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