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00:16:06 <boily> started last week!
00:16:09 <lambdabot> CYUL 060000Z 26012G18KT 15SM FEW065 FEW240 M03/M15 A3000 RMK CF1CI1 CF TR CI TR SLP163
00:19:18 <boily> backend dev for POS products, doing big data stuff ^^
00:28:33 <boily> it is corporate and I work on a mac. bletch.
00:28:54 <boily> but freen breakfast, including bagels, and quality coffee!
00:29:28 <boily> eeeeh... I think Sunday?
00:29:56 <boily> but I won't be there for the next two weekends. can we after that?
00:36:43 <quintopia> what are your thoughts on seth andrews
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00:37:37 <boily> quintopia: who is seth andrews?
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00:44:46 <boily> quintopia: after wikipédying him, I can't say I'm leaning one way or another. I need more context and history.
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01:04:37 <boily> (also, gott kvørjanld.)
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01:14:54 * oerjan is not sure we really want to encourage user pages redirecting to chinese wikipedia
01:16:04 <zzo38> Pages probably should not redirect to external pages
01:18:49 <oerjan> <boily> zombie, new job, nice pay and proximity to chinese food. <-- wait, are you no longer making the world boring
01:18:58 <oerjan> boily: see latest wiki edit
01:20:12 <boily> that is indeed the case!
01:29:11 <lambdabot> ENVA 060050Z 30015KT 6000 -SN VV012 01/M00 Q1001 RMK WIND 670FT 31022KT
01:29:17 <oerjan> it's been snowing again
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01:35:20 <fizzie> I don't think it's going to snow any more.
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01:45:22 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * YUM YUM YUM * New user account
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02:54:40 <zzo38> Add a link if you need to, not a redirection
02:56:27 <zzo38> Redirects should only be for redirecting to another internal page, and user pages probably should not redirect at all (although subpages of user pages might redirect)
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04:41:38 <oerjan> Another day, another Girl Genius non-comic
04:41:54 <oerjan> also, that Zoing card has a typo
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05:13:36 <FreeFull> oerjan: Maybe we'll get a comic on monday
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07:31:45 <esowiki> [[Turing number]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54699&oldid=54654 * Singingbanana * (+42)
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08:30:50 <esowiki> [[Alfie]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54700&oldid=54695 * Singingbanana * (+1492)
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08:32:43 <esowiki> [[User:Singingbanana]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54701&oldid=54591 * Singingbanana * (-19)
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08:33:09 <esowiki> [[User:Singingbanana]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54702&oldid=54701 * Singingbanana * (-1)
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08:43:31 <esowiki> [[Borsch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=54703&oldid=54542 * Singingbanana * (+132)
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11:00:13 <wob_jonas> fungot, do you know a superhero with weather control powers available for hire to help with outdoors photography?
11:00:13 <fungot> wob_jonas: i made some excellent wild greens gumbo yesterday, with things like libc.
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11:08:14 <fizzie> "Cooking with libc" is fungot's new book.
11:08:14 <fungot> fizzie: i had to write a function
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11:43:06 <int-e> ^8ball will HackEgo return?
11:43:14 <int-e> fungot's so optimistic
11:43:14 <fungot> int-e: i am very sorry for this silly question... but what do i gain access to all the elements ( procedure and args alike) are evaluated, right?
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13:05:16 <fizzie> int-e: I've been looking at setting up an instance on the wiki host.
13:07:01 <int-e> are we allowed to?
13:07:48 <fizzie> I think it falls within the general scope of "promoting esoteric language development", though admittedly there's a lot that's completely frivolous.
13:09:04 <fizzie> If I do it, I think I'd like to upgrade the second-level sandboxing (the thing where hackbot itself runs, outside the umlbox) from a chroot to something more modern. Been looking at systemd-nspawn, Docker and LXC.
13:11:31 <fizzie> (TBH, given that it's such a kludge almost by definition, maybe CaC is a more appropriate ecology for it to live on. Maybe I should properly ping Gregor to see if there's anything pokeable in there first.)
13:20:05 <int-e> I didn't want a ton of dependencies... so ended up with http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/mueval.c which may be a bit too low-level.
13:20:34 <int-e> (note the wonderful hardcoded uid and gid)
13:21:47 <int-e> (/sandbox is statically populated with a few read-only bind mounts)
13:23:23 <int-e> something like http://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/fstab.txt
13:24:04 <int-e> anyway, docker was too big for me... and I didn't look too hard for alternatives.
13:31:21 <fizzie> I need a "real" Linux in the container (because of all those HackEgo commands), but I haven't yet decided whether that should be via read-only bind mounts from the host, or as an entirely separate installation.
13:31:54 <fizzie> (The current HackEgo chroot is the latter, a debootstrap chroot that ~never gets any upgrades done.)
13:33:52 <int-e> tricky, I think I'd like a separate installation but some way of updating it whenever the main system is updated...
13:34:40 <int-e> ...but the latter seems hard so I'd probably end up in the current situation as well :P
13:35:01 <fizzie> Making it a real (though minimal) independent system means I'd need to figure out how to get it under my usual configuration management and monitoring infrastructure, which kind of assumes there's at least sshd running inside it.
13:35:08 <fizzie> Which is of course doable but seems a little silly.
13:40:28 <fizzie> OTOH, if it's the hackbot process launched with a fs namespace that has read-only binds, it doesn't need any of that, but it would have (read-only but still) access to a lot of stuff it really has no business looking at.
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14:10:26 <int-e> yeah, the latter would really want me to have a separate installation
14:10:55 <int-e> but maybe can you make a direct-to-chroot ssh account on the outer system?
14:11:36 <int-e> some variation on http://allanfeid.com/content/creating-chroot-jail-ssh-access perhaps
14:12:17 <int-e> then you could ssh into the sandbox without actually having an sshd in the sandbox
14:28:50 <fizzie> Mm. With just the sshd_config ChrootDirectory option, it'd be running without the other namespaces. But maybe I could instead use ForceCommand to do whatever is necessary to execute the command line in the sandbox. I know at least systemd-nspawn has a "machinectl shell" and systemd-run for running commands inside.
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15:16:06 <int-e> fizzie: I was thinking that it's for maintenance, maybe the full sandboxing wouldn't be required.
15:17:10 <int-e> but I guess that means you do not get your own user namespace which may be desirable.
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16:21:54 <fizzie> int-e: On the plus side, it means you wouldn't need to poke a hole for apt-get networking in the sandbox, so maybe it'd be fine.
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17:41:52 <izabera> https://www.chosenbun.com/
17:50:18 <Taneb> Ooh, that's nearby
17:50:45 <Taneb> Might try that tonight
17:50:56 <int-e> fizzie: of course you could have two sandbox setups ... I mean while we're thinking about potentially overengineering everything.
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18:24:10 <Taneb> izabera: I have ordered a Chosen Bun
18:40:32 <izabera> why didn't you just go there
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18:41:25 <Taneb> I've ran out of data on my phone, don't have internet at home, and I'm getting some with one of my workmates
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18:49:07 <izabera> did you run out of feet as well?
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18:58:43 <int-e> I can imagine outrunning your feet (painful aftermath), but how does one run out of feet...
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19:16:39 <fizzie> Hmm, there's one in Fulham as well.
19:21:29 <fizzie> I don't appreciate this website changing the cursor so that it doesn't indicate what's clickable and what's not.
19:28:18 <zzo38> Add your own CSS codes if needed. I use the Stylish extension to add my own CSS codes to what is already there. (And, less often, I also use GreaseMonkey to add additional JavaScript codes too)
19:32:46 <zzo38> That is what I have always done to deal with these kind of problems
19:33:40 <wob_jonas> int-e: if you injure one feet, you can do certain movements by using the other feet and carefully protecting the injured feet. but you can also injure both feet, at which point you've ran out of feet.
19:36:01 <int-e> Hmm is it "one feet, two feet, red feet, blue feet" now?
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21:38:35 <zzo38> I have now disconnected the old hard drive in my computer (to save power)
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22:19:51 <zzo38> I have one idea of new Magic: the Gathering card which is: "You may cast target permanent."
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22:46:32 <MDude> gopher://vernunftzentrum.de/0/ckeen/ciy-manifesto.txt
22:54:51 <zzo38> That is true, and often I do code it by myself. Although the other two things are also possible, if the change is simple enough and/or other suitable software exists. Even if you do write it by yourself sometime it help to take a small pieces from other program codes too, although sometimes that is unnecessary or it just work better to do by yourself.
22:55:31 <zzo38> If each program does one thing well, then is less likely that the goal will be diverged. It also makes it simpler in case you wish to use part of their codes in your own program.
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