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09:53:49 <wob_jonas> Dude, your spambots suck at collecting personal data. I clearly tell everywhere that I live in Europe, yet you send me scam emails about my card at "Bank of America".
09:54:55 <wob_jonas> You undermine the good work of other spammers who send much more believable scam emails, thus making people more wary of those scams.
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09:55:10 <wob_jonas> It's such irresponsible and uncooperative behavior.
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10:05:55 <Taneb> wob_jonas: I've been told in the past that the outrageously bad spam are to filter out people who are good at picking up on small details that'd waste the spammers time by realising something later on
10:06:15 <Taneb> If you target people who don't spot obvious things, they're not going to spot the subtle things later on
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10:12:03 <wob_jonas> Taneb: sure, that's true for many spam, like the badly translated ones that tell me that a bank in Hungary or some other big infrastructure company with which I likely have an affiliation with have sent me a message, and contain a link to a webpage other than the bank's or whatever. Perhaps even the "American uncle left huge inheritance and you mig
10:12:03 <wob_jonas> ht be a relative" and "you won the Microsoft lottery" spam is like that. But why would anyone naive in Hungary believe that they've got a Bank of America credit card?
10:12:20 <wob_jonas> And do those gullible people even speak enough English to understand what that message means?
10:13:21 <Taneb> It might just be a very wide net
10:13:35 <Taneb> Rather than targetted spam
10:13:46 <Taneb> Like "I've got a big list of email addresses, let's send this to all of them"
10:14:02 <wob_jonas> It's my mistake. Checking the specifics, it is about inheritence from an American uncle, the Bank of Americac card is just a method of payment from them.
10:14:13 <wob_jonas> Sorry, that makes it somewhat better.
10:14:58 <wob_jonas> "information we received today from the United Nation and the Brutish government and also the FBI, They ordered us to pay you your Inheritance payment of $10 million through ATM card delivery, and the UN government and the FBI are compensating you with this full amount of $10 million U.S D via ATM card, Because you were found in the list of scam v
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10:15:11 <Taneb> I got a text the other day saying that someone's requested to take over my phone line. I'm fairly sure this is spam, but it almost had me convinced
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10:18:12 <wob_jonas> And I guess even Bank of America offering an "ATM card" wouldn't be implausible itself, because these days even in Hungary they copied the American model of a lot of stores affiliated with banks offer you free credit cards, and there are so many banks with foreign ownership that "Bank of America" wouldn't be such a bad name for a hypothetical bank
10:18:20 <wob_jonas> I think there's a "Bank of China" or something here.
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10:24:37 <wob_jonas> Yep, there's a bank in Hungary called "Bank of China (Hungária) Hitelintézet Zártkörűen Működő Részvénytársaság" on the MNB's list
10:25:09 <wob_jonas> "https://intezmenykereso.mnb.hu/Details/Index?LId=4881&EntityType=Institute&expandAccordions=IntezmenyAlapadatok"
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10:27:27 <wob_jonas> No bank or similar with "America" in its name yet in Hungary, but it is plausible.
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10:28:41 <wob_jonas> Ok, I retract my comment, it's less silly than I thought, though it is indeed one of those spams with the details so obviously wrong that only the stupidest person would fall for it. I've seen *much* more believable scams.
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14:23:19 <lob_jonas> Oh great! So in Firefox, I can get the annoying Pocket menu items and buttons go away by setting extensions.pocket.enabled to false in about:config
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14:24:39 <lob_jonas> (The menu item was even picking up the wrong UI localization setting, so it was a menu item named in Hungarian in a menu where most other items are English. I'm sort of used to English question with "Igen" and "Nem" button message boxes from older Windows, but still.
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15:36:37 <lob_jonas> Tip of the day. How to easily make short URLs a page (eg. with a long title)on a Mediawiki wiki? Look at the long inline javascript near the start of the page. Find the part that looks like ',"wgArticleId":9270,'. Take the number from it. Make an url like "https://esolangs.org/w?curid=9270" or "https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/?curid=43455817" with
15:36:37 <lob_jonas> the same number in the curid parameter.
15:36:42 <lob_jonas> This is not the only possible method, and might fail on some Mediawiki instances, so I know some fallbacks, but it works on enough that I've used it several times. Useful on IRC and other media where the length of messages including URLs is limited, or with esolangs that have deliberately esoteric names. As a bonus, this sort of URL doesn't even re
15:36:42 <lob_jonas> direct to an URL with a long title in it.
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20:24:47 <HackEso> Comonads are just monads in the dual category. They are hard to get into.
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21:25:01 <wob_jonas> In X11, when I kill firefox, sometimes icewm (the window manager) gets confused and thinks that firefox's windows are still present, and will draw window decoration for them and allow all the wm interactive functionality on them. I can fix that by restarting icewm, which has almost no side effects. I don't know if the problem is in icewm, X11, or f
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21:25:59 <wob_jonas> I don't even know how restarting the wm can be so smooth in X11. Icewm even knows afterwards which virtual desktop each window is on. I wonder if X11 supports that specifically somehow.
21:26:14 <wob_jonas> shachaf: icewm definitely has other cases when it gets confused and I have to restart it, so it's easy to blame.
21:26:54 <wob_jonas> but I can also blame firefox because I definitely have to kill it often, at least on this machine that has too little RAM (and also too slow ram and too few CPU and GPU capacity).
21:28:09 <wob_jonas> I still have problems on firefox with more modern hosts, but it's much worse on my old home machine, mostly either because it wants to allocate too much RAM, and because I play streamed videos.
21:30:31 <wob_jonas> As for videos, I'd like to note that both on this machine and on higher performance machines, I sometimes see cases when there's a very high quality video that VLC has much more trouble playing than ffmpeg. I think that's mostly because ffmpeg is better at decoding _some_ of the video and rendering it smoothly when it doesn't have enough performanc
21:30:32 <wob_jonas> e available to render all the data in there.
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21:31:16 <wob_jonas> For such videos, VLC usually just gets stuck at a frame (or before the first frame) and doesn't display anything new after that (sound can still play).
21:32:06 <wob_jonas> Obviously the real solution in such cases is to re-encode the video to much lower quality, which is slower than real time.
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21:34:58 <wob_jonas> Much lower video quality at least. I rarely meet audio streams in videos that are too high quality to play, even on the slow home machine.
21:35:35 <wob_jonas> I have met high quality video with audio that's hard to play because it has channels for more than two speakers, and the player plays only the sound of two speakers, but there's important sounds that are audible only on some of the other speakers.
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21:36:56 <wob_jonas> Obviously it's still possible to re-encode or play that correctly, but I don't know how to figure out the right options for that. I worked with video but not audio, so I know almost nothing about handling it with software.
21:37:10 <wob_jonas> s/but not audio/but not with audio/
21:38:04 <wob_jonas> That is, I handled videos, including invoking video encoders and decoder software, in my previous job.
21:39:10 <wob_jonas> I've never written my own encoder or decoder (as in a codec itself, as opposed to a wrapper), but I might try to write a toy image encoder and decoder at some point.
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