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06:07:00 <imode> idea: a language who's only data type is a queue.
06:20:03 <zzo38> I did something similar once, where the only data type is a queue of references of queues.
06:39:40 <oerjan> hm what's FMS implying about previewing, did something go wrong when e introduced?
06:42:37 <imode> isn't the operation of a queue and a stack equivalent when you only have a single-symbol alphabet? they'd be reduced to counter machines, because enqueueing/dequeueing is just incrementing/decrementing, just as pushing and popping is..
06:43:20 <imode> that gives... some kind of reductionist priority to counter machines, then.
06:43:33 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Oerjan newbie test * New user account
06:52:44 <esowiki> [[User talk:FMS]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59142 * Oerjan * (+388) What's the problem with previewing?
06:53:35 <oerjan> imode: well two counters or two stacks are enough for TC.
06:53:52 <oerjan> but one queue suffices with two symbols.
06:55:55 <imode> yeah. seems like there always needs to be two of something.
06:56:20 <imode> two queues are also enough to be TC.
06:56:58 <imode> so choose from a binary alphabet and a single queue, a unary alphabet and two queues/counters..
06:59:09 <oerjan> well one counter is enough if you have multiplication and division. see Fractran.
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07:00:59 <imode> right. but who considers multiplication and division fundamental? :P
07:12:40 <imode> is the pairing function or godel encoding really the only way to construct things in counter machines?
07:14:54 <oerjan> you can do stacks of a limited number of symbols as numbers in a base
07:15:23 <oerjan> you may consider that a kind of pairing function though
07:15:56 <imode> interesting. any literature about that?
07:16:25 <oerjan> i assume that's how the usual implementation of a turing machine in several counter works
07:17:25 <oerjan> well i've probably read that. in fact i vaguely recall wikipedia's article on counter machines has some proofs
07:17:58 <imode> ah yeah there's a proof sketch in the article, duh.
07:20:04 * imode wonders if there's a similar encoding for a single queue.
07:21:07 <oerjan> and the caveat section is relevant to your question whether there's another way (by showing at least _some_ ways don't work)
07:21:38 <oerjan> queues are probably easiest done as a pair of stacks
07:21:51 <oerjan> which means 3 counters, they can share the temporary
07:23:49 <imode> well a TM can be simulated by an FSM with a single queue, and a queue with a binary alphabet can be simulated by two queues using a unary alphabet (similar to a stack), so I wonder if there's a reduction of that to the 2CM without having to go through the encoding of four counters into two.
07:24:52 <oerjan> wait, how do you get a binary queue from two unary ones
07:27:15 <imode> a communicating finite state machine uses multiple queues, each of which is unary. the relevant literature shows an encoding of a turing machine as two communicating FSMs utilizing two unary queues.
07:28:46 <oerjan> i think i was right, the 4 counters in the article really just need to be 3.
07:29:13 <oerjan> it's getting down to 2 that requires gödel encoding.
07:30:44 <imode> something tells me that you don't require godel encoding if you use the encoding I mentioned, but I need to look at it more.
07:31:50 <oerjan> i haven't heard of that, i would be surprised if it wasn't similar
07:32:43 <oerjan> as in, my immediate hunch is to use the two queues as two counters, and go from there
07:33:20 <imode> http://www.lsv.fr/Projects/anr-dots/PUBLIS/GKM-fi07.pdf page 10.
07:34:06 <imode> was just skimming around and stumbled on that.
07:41:08 <oerjan> that doesn't look like each configuration is unary
07:54:14 <oerjan> well i don't see how that can work with unary, the queues have to contain an unbounded number of messages, each of which is from a non-unary alphabet
07:56:08 <oerjan> approximately the length of the turing tape needs to be in transit at any time, minus a finite number of symbols
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08:39:51 <b_jonas> `pbflist http://pbfcomics.com/comics/barkelangelo/
08:39:52 <HackEso> pbflist http://pbfcomics.com/comics/barkelangelo/: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas Cale
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09:27:31 <oerjan> that's the castle's voice, i think
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11:31:03 <Taneb> I'm a little lost in Girl Genius, I'm going ot have to go back and reread like the past two years at some point
11:32:30 <Luciole> I should continue my re-read
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12:06:08 <wob_jonas> These magic things where you redundantly represent integers so that the digits have larger range than you need for the base, and then you can do additions with carries propagating only to a limited distance so you can do it in a constant depth circuit, they're totally magical. That it's possible goes against my intuition.
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17:39:25 <imode> why are queues so damn attractive.
17:39:38 <imode> https://xkcd.com/853/
17:40:46 <imode> for real though what makes a circular one-way tape attractive.
17:46:56 <esowiki> [[User talk:FMS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59156&oldid=59142 * FMS * (+545) Answered rjan
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21:30:05 <cats_> how do I delete my account on the esolangs wiki?
21:40:18 <rain1> cats_: no idea. hope that helps
21:40:48 <cats_> any admins that can get me some information on that?
21:43:39 <zzo38> What is your account on esolangs wiki?
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23:10:20 <zzo38> I am on. There is also logs.
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23:49:04 <oren> holy motherfucking shit this code has a TODO comment from the 1990's
23:49:10 <oren> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA