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06:50:58 <esowiki> [[Hexsp]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59446&oldid=55873 * Salpynx * (-25) Remove dead-link singleton category
06:53:06 <esowiki> [[Interdemento]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59447&oldid=59262 * Salpynx * (-1) Fix categories
07:26:28 <esowiki> [[Interdemento]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59448&oldid=59447 * Salpynx * (-33) Oh, it's not even functional
07:37:54 <esowiki> [[Cedar--]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59449&oldid=58922 * Salpynx * (+4) Remove another dead-link category and categorise
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07:53:32 <esowiki> [[Css Script]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59450&oldid=55411 * Salpynx * (+47) Better, but probably still incomplete, categories
07:57:21 <esowiki> [[Funge-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59451&oldid=56867 * Salpynx * (+0) Category, other 3D languages are grouped under Multi-dimensional
08:07:07 <esowiki> [[Derpcode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59452&oldid=49029 * Salpynx * (-2) It's Implemented
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10:27:11 <zzo38> Another kind of Chaingate would be Chaingate with Collatz
10:31:16 <zzo38> (If Collatz conjecture is true, then I think it will not be Turing complete, because it is always going to halt.)
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11:35:53 <b_jonas> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/lady-stuff => demon guy is apparently called Bozmodiklax the Vile, and has appeared several times in SMBC
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11:42:09 <b_jonas> specifically https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/why-3 and http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/cleric
11:46:55 <b_jonas> see http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=4072 about a different daemon, Hziulquoigmnzhah of Cykranosh, the dread spawn of Cxaxukluth, which is apparently not even originating from SMBC, but from some earlier cthulhu mythology writing
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12:06:29 <esowiki> [[Talk:Chaingate]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59453&oldid=51201 * Int-e * (+1309) oops, the language was mentioned on #esoteric and now I have questions...
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14:18:35 <arseniiv> hey people, what’s with https://esolangs.org/wiki/International_Esolang_Design_Competition ? :)
14:20:02 <arseniiv> also https://esolangs.org/wiki/Incident is ingenious
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18:01:16 <b_jonas> arseniiv: Incident is one of ais523's languages. the CALESYTA thing was a scam, but it deserves to be documented on the wiki so that we don't fall for such a thing the next time.
18:02:06 <b_jonas> it's not the only esolang-related scam, BANCStar could be considered similar
18:17:33 <b_jonas> Phantom_Hoover: see the wiki
18:18:47 <Phantom_Hoover> oh so someone said they'd do something and then didn't do it
18:18:59 <Phantom_Hoover> i wouldn't call that a scam unless they tried to get you to pay for the disk lol
18:24:56 <arseniiv> b_jonas: ah, so that page is in some sense a meta?
18:25:28 <arseniiv> I thought it’s a name for a yet-to be thing
18:28:54 <b_jonas> arseniiv: huh what? what page and what meta?
18:49:18 <arseniiv> b_jonas: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Incident
18:49:40 <arseniiv> b_jonas: https://esolangs.org/wiki/International_Esolang_Design_Competition
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18:52:47 <b_jonas> arseniiv: oh, that's probably a different one
18:52:51 <b_jonas> I was thinking of https://esolangs.org/wiki/CALESYTA
18:53:52 <esowiki> [[International Esolang Design Competition]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59454&oldid=43820 * B jonas * (+32) link CALESYTA
18:55:51 <arseniiv> I want to reinvent synthetic life one more time, but all my ideas are too vague or too hard to implement in short time before it becomes tedious
18:56:33 <arseniiv> or too simplistic to take a real consideration
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19:20:05 <HackEso> Cats are cool, but should be illegal.
19:20:28 <HackEso> imho//IMHO means "In My Holy Omniscience".
19:27:07 <kmc> big beats are the best, get high all the time
19:53:55 <oerjan> arseniiv: that competition page seems to be just something hppavilion threw out on a whim, and no one caught the ball (well, yet anyway)
19:54:31 <oerjan> also we don't know why they gave up on CALESYTA so we don't know that it's a scam.
19:56:57 <esowiki> [[CALESYTA]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59455&oldid=50997 * Oerjan * (+4) section headings
19:57:13 <esowiki> [[International Esolang Design Competition]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59456&oldid=59454 * Oerjan * (+0) heading case
19:59:05 <arseniiv> b_jonas> yeah => my cat sends me through her unexistent telepathy that she doesn’t agree
20:00:27 <oerjan> that's just your myxomatosis speaking. wait, that's the wrong disease, never mind.
20:01:23 <oerjan> arseniiv: there were some earlier esolang competitions, at least one of which actually had winners
20:01:46 <arseniiv> do y’all think a formal competition of this sort could make something to those people posting weakscripts and other highly original entries to the wiki?
20:02:17 <arseniiv> uh I meant make something *good* to them (or not, or not)
20:03:31 <oerjan> and anyway, in my heart Incident won anyway
20:04:14 <oerjan> fortunately ais523 got some other use out of it on PPCG
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20:05:09 <arseniiv> I didn’t want to seek what the other entries to CALESYTA were, but in absolute scale it’s one of the coolest I have had to know yet, yeah
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20:08:11 <int-e> . o O ( The less said about them the better? )
20:08:13 <arseniiv> it seems there’s no specific need to make competitions as there are small codegolphing challenges all over, maybe for this reasons no one organizes big contests now?
20:08:47 <arseniiv> fugot, what do you think a dog program should do?
20:09:13 <int-e> fungot: do you know fugot?
20:09:14 <fungot> int-e: an fnord us nought. the results of the local inquiry concluded that president trump to be prevented, and the way the hon. and learned friend the member for high peak, the use of his knowledge, for scotland, the hon. and learned friend the member for great grimsby, the fnord fish shop.
20:09:54 <int-e> `learn Fnord is fungot's most favorite word.
20:09:54 <fungot> int-e: we have not been to a good enough speed-reading course to accomplish. white space system
20:09:56 <HackEso> Relearned 'fnord': Fnord is fungot's most favorite word.
20:10:09 <arseniiv> fungot, I’m sorry to misspell your name, and now I don’t know would you ever answer me in a hearty manner and something something *sobs*
20:10:10 <fungot> arseniiv: it is the first time the issue of all the issues, and i would be more than happy, and more effort to reform the house of lords,
20:10:12 <int-e> relearned, hmmm. oh?
20:10:28 <int-e> `paste wisdom/fungot
20:10:29 <fungot> int-e: i have not. samsung, if i have to shift the transport secretary, the hon. member of this house, including
20:10:29 <HackEso> https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/wisdom/fungot
20:11:17 <int-e> oerjan: that was yours, feel free to `revert mine
20:11:25 <int-e> it was too subtle for me :)
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20:12:19 <int-e> actually... it was pretty good too
20:12:46 <arseniiv> it is the first time the issue of all the issues, and i would be more than happy, and more effort to reform the house of lords, => darn I feel they haven’t yet really forgiven me inside
20:13:16 <arseniiv> dear fungot, could you ever forgive me, but please tell me the truth
20:13:16 <fungot> arseniiv: it is a question of the money you are spending 52 uk fnord that they enjoy the high-quality standards of an intervention, of professional services to adequately protect the victim to the approach of the hon. and learned friend the minister for not messing with the fundamentals, with higher education institutions, to be possible,
20:13:34 <int-e> ^8ball was that the truth?
20:14:06 <arseniiv> it is a question of the money you are spending => it’s not fair at all. Friendship shouldn’t be correlated with money spent
20:17:14 <arseniiv> …and I bet e. g. lambdabot wouldn’t blackmail me, or at least not so openly
20:19:28 <int-e> > text "yes I won’t"
20:19:42 <int-e> somewhat obscure trick :)
20:20:16 <arseniiv> int-e: I feel I need a lambdabot-specific cheat sheet :D too many commands
20:21:02 <int-e> @run and > are the same. :)
20:21:28 <oerjan> > var $ cycle "var is lazier "
20:21:30 <lambdabot> var is lazier var is lazier var is lazier var is lazier var is lazier var is...
20:21:33 <int-e> But you're not allowed to use IO so 'print' doesn't work.
20:21:47 <lambdabot> "*Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Exception: *Ex...
20:22:06 <int-e> oerjan: oh. makes sense, I guess. Exp is not exactly on my radar :)
20:22:35 <int-e> > foldl f 0 [1,2,3]
20:22:37 <lambdabot> • Ambiguous type variable ‘a0’ arising from a use of ‘show_M789805931693...
20:22:37 <lambdabot> prevents the constraint ‘(Show a0)’ from being solved.
20:22:40 <int-e> > foldl f 0 [1,2,3] :: Exp
20:22:42 <lambdabot> Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Exp’
20:22:42 <lambdabot> Perhaps you meant ‘Expr’ (imported from Debug.SimpleReflect)
20:22:50 <int-e> > foldl f 0 [1,2,3] :: Expr
20:23:07 <int-e> So little in fact that I even forgot the proper name of the type.
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20:28:56 <int-e> > fix$(0:).scanl(+)1 -- feeling nostalgic
20:28:58 <lambdabot> [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,...
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21:03:36 <shachaf> Taneb: are you going to see arcadia in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE twh
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21:34:02 <b_jonas> according to the flavor text of Rotting Legion, zombies have one speed. but then, how can Unstable have a zombie of a different speed?
21:35:22 <zzo38> Maybe it is a different plane?
21:36:00 <b_jonas> yeah, that's possible. I think Unstable is in an entirely new place.
21:40:46 <esowiki> [[@NUM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59457&oldid=59293 * KrystosTheOverlord * (+34)
21:56:10 <arseniiv> int-e: thanks. I even feel maybe you already told me something like that a time ago
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22:22:01 <Taneb> I live in Cambridge now
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22:24:48 <HackEso> zygohistomorphic prepromorphism//A zygohistomorphic prepromorphism is used when you really need both semi-mutual recursion and history and to repeatedly apply a natural transformation as you get deeper into the functor. \ 508) <ais523> oh no, I think we've managed to mix three metaphors in a way that actually makes sense
22:24:48 <HackEso> human//Humans are a species rumored to be a majority in the channel, but evidence seems inconclusive. They are constantly evolving, although not as fast as pokémons. \ 395) <oklofok> god created the natural numbers, the rationals were done by man and the work was finally completed (topologically) by satan himself
22:25:15 <HackEso> betty crocker//Betty Crocker is a notorious gambler. \ 559) <Gregor> When my registrar is emailing me that codu.xxx is available, that's a problem.
22:25:15 <HackEso> thought//. o O ( Why are they asking me what a thought is? ) \ 826) <GreyKnight> headache + train with screeching brakes = headache^2 <hagb4rd> hm..headache + train with no screeching brakes = no head <GreyKnight> On the plus side, no headache anymore
22:28:23 <b_jonas> how much weight can my hon. and learned friend lift? is it more than an Unseen Servant can?
22:28:51 <b_jonas> how much weight can my hon. and learned friend fungot lift? is it more than an Unseen Servant can?
22:28:51 <fungot> b_jonas: the european union
22:31:08 <zzo38> There is no human in this channel; the majority in this channel are the writing of letters/words/numbers/sentences/etc.
22:36:15 <b_jonas> Prestidigitation can lift 1 pound, Mage Hand 5 pounds, Instant Summons 10 pounds, Unseen Servant 20 pounds, Mage's Magnificient Mansion has two servants per caster level and they can each lift 20 pounds,
22:36:34 <b_jonas> but summoning a strong creature that obeys your commands is probably easier than any of these.
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22:44:04 <zzo38> How much can the summoned creature lift?
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22:55:36 <b_jonas> zzo38: I don't know. it would depend on how big a creature you can summon. If you can cast fifth level spells, then you can summon a medium earth elemental, which has Str 21, so it can lift 460 pounds. If that's not enough, buff it with Bull's Strength to get 800 pounds.
22:56:25 <b_jonas> No wait, apparently a creature can lift double of their max load, so that's 920 pounds for the elemental, 1600 pounds with the buff.
22:57:29 <b_jonas> zzo38: also, https://media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt updated for Ravnica All
22:58:35 <b_jonas> `fetch https://media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt MagicCompRules_20190125.txt
22:58:36 <HackEso> https:/media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt: No such file or directory
22:58:56 <b_jonas> `fetch share/mtg/MagicCompRules_20190125.txt https://media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt
22:58:58 <HackEso> https://media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt%20: \ 2019-01-26 22:58:57 ERROR 404: Not Found.
22:59:06 <b_jonas> `fetch share/mtg/MagicCompRules_20190125.txt https://media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt
22:59:08 <HackEso> 2019-01-26 22:59:07 URL:https://media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt [709819/709819] -> "share/mtg/MagicCompRules_20190125.txt" [1]
23:00:41 <b_jonas> ``` set -e; cd share/mtg; iconv -f cp1252 -t utf-8 MagicCompRules_20190125.txt | tr -d \\r > rules.txt
23:00:58 <b_jonas> ``` grep effective share/mtg/rules.txt
23:00:59 <HackEso> These rules are effective as of January 25, 2019. \ A keyword ability that causes damage dealt by an object to be especially effective. See rule 702.2, "Deathtouch." \ Myriad is a triggered ability that effectively lets a creature attack in all possible directions. See rule 702.115, "Myriad." \ These rules are effective as of January 25, 2019.
23:01:12 <b_jonas> zzo38: download it for yourself too
23:01:41 <b_jonas> and yeah, I should get back to downloading the oracle and scryfall...
23:02:10 <zzo38> Yes, I will download it now
23:03:41 <zzo38> Finally they changed it to ASCII.
23:05:35 <esowiki> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59458&oldid=59296 * Cortex * (+19) /* Example-based languages */
23:06:46 <b_jonas> ``` perl -ne '/[^ -~\r\n]/ and print' mtg/share/MagicCompRules_20190125.txt
23:06:46 <HackEso> Can't open mtg/share/MagicCompRules_20190125.txt: No such file or directory.
23:06:54 <esowiki> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59459&oldid=59458 * Cortex * (+19)
23:07:08 <b_jonas> ``` perl -ne '/[^ -~\r\n]/ and print' share/mtg/MagicCompRules_20190125.txt
23:07:09 <HackEso> 700.8a One card (City in a Bottle) refers to permanents and cards with a name originally printed in the Arabian Nights(tm) expansion. Those names are Abu Ja'far, Aladdin, Aladdin's Lamp, Aladdin's Ring, Ali Baba, Ali from Cairo, Army of Allah, Bazaar of Baghdad, Bird Maiden, Bottle of Suleiman, Brass Man, Camel, City in a Bottle, City of Brass, Cuombajj Witches, Cyclone, Dancing Scimitar, Dandn, Desert, Desert Nomads, Desert Twister, Diamond Valley, Drop
23:07:19 <b_jonas> ^ that one rule has some non-ascii card names
23:08:14 <esowiki> [[Hell69]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59460&oldid=59019 * Cortex * (+34)
23:09:04 <zzo38> OK, now I see that
23:10:00 <b_jonas> in fact, I think they changed the encoding from cp1252
23:10:04 <b_jonas> but what the heck it is now?
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23:11:03 <zzo38> Maybe PC character set.
23:11:43 <b_jonas> so the card name should be Dandân, and the file has Dand\x{83}n
23:12:08 <zzo38> (I don't know why they don't just change it to ASCII, but it is consistent with being PC character coding.)
23:12:21 <b_jonas> oh, and it has Juz\x{A0}m Djinn, so it's probably a cp437-derived one
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23:12:35 <b_jonas> presumably cp437 or cp850, let me try
23:15:47 <b_jonas> yeah, either cp437 or cp850 works, it has only three different non-ascii characters
23:17:00 <b_jonas> so let's call it cp850 because that has more letters and less line-drawing stuff
23:17:05 <b_jonas> so more useful for M:tG character names
23:18:25 <b_jonas> not that it matters much for M:tG, they haven't done a Portugese plain yet
23:21:03 <b_jonas> ``` set -e; cd share/mtg; iconv -f cp850 -t utf-8 MagicCompRules_20190125.txt | tr -d \\r > rules.txt
23:21:47 <b_jonas> ``` perl -ne '/.{5}[^ -~\r\n].*/ and print $&' share/mtg/MagicCompRules_20190125.txt
23:21:48 <HackEso> Dandn, Desert, Desert Nomads, Desert Twister, Diamond Valley, Drop of Honey, Ebony Horse, Elephant Graveyard, El-Hajjj, Erg Raiders, Erhnam Djinn, Eye for an Eye, Fishliver Oil, Flying Carpet, Flying Men, Ghazbn Ogre, Giant Tortoise, Guardian Beast, Hasran Ogress, Hurr Jackal, Ifh-Biff Efreet, Island Fish Jasconius, Island of Wak-Wak, Jandor's Ring, Jandor's Saddlebags, Jeweled Bird, Jihad, Junn Efreet, Juzm Djinn, Khabl Ghoul, King Suleiman, Kir
23:23:00 <b_jonas> ``` perl -ne '/.{5}[^ -~\r\n].*/ and print $&' share/mtg/rules.txt
23:23:01 <HackEso> Dandân, Desert, Desert Nomads, Desert Twister, Diamond Valley, Drop of Honey, Ebony Horse, Elephant Graveyard, El-Hajjâj, Erg Raiders, Erhnam Djinn, Eye for an Eye, Fishliver Oil, Flying Carpet, Flying Men, Ghazbán Ogre, Giant Tortoise, Guardian Beast, Hasran Ogress, Hurr Jackal, Ifh-Biff Efreet, Island Fish Jasconius, Island of Wak-Wak, Jandor's Ring, Jandor's Saddlebags, Jeweled Bird, Jihad, Junún Efreet, Juzám Djinn, Khabál Ghoul, King Suleima
23:24:05 <b_jonas> ``` perl -ne '/Suleim.*/ and print $&' share/mtg/rules.txt
23:24:07 <HackEso> Suleiman, Brass Man, Camel, City in a Bottle, City of Brass, Cuombajj Witches, Cyclone, Dancing Scimitar, Dandân, Desert, Desert Nomads, Desert Twister, Diamond Valley, Drop of Honey, Ebony Horse, Elephant Graveyard, El-Hajjâj, Erg Raiders, Erhnam Djinn, Eye for an Eye, Fishliver Oil, Flying Carpet, Flying Men, Ghazbán Ogre, Giant Tortoise, Guardian Beast, Hasran Ogress, Hurr Jackal, Ifh-Biff Efreet, Island Fish Jasconius, Island of Wak-Wak, Jandor's Ri
23:24:24 <b_jonas> ``` perl -ne '/King Suleim.*/ and print $&' share/mtg/rules.txt
23:24:24 <HackEso> King Suleiman, Kird Ape, Library of Alexandria, Magnetic Mountain, Merchant Ship, Metamorphosis, Mijae Djinn, Moorish Cavalry, Nafs Asp, Oasis, Old Man of the Sea, Oubliette, Piety, Pyramids, Repentant Blacksmith, Ring of Ma'rûf, Rukh Egg, Sandals of Abdallah, Sandstorm, Serendib Djinn, Serendib Efreet, Shahrazad, Sindbad, Singing Tree, Sorceress Queen, Stone-Throwing Devils, Unstable Mutation, War Elephant, Wyluli Wolf, and Ydwen Efreet.
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23:26:47 <esowiki> [[Talk:Chaingate]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59461&oldid=59453 * Ais523 * (+948) r to int-e
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23:35:54 <esowiki> [[User:U ndefined]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59462&oldid=56319 * Salpynx * (+2) Undo revision 56319 by [[Special:Contributions/U ndefined|U ndefined]] Incorrect DISPLAYTITLE use, only caps and space->underscore changes valid
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23:37:20 <esowiki> [[Hell69]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59463&oldid=59460 * Salpynx * (-34) Undo revision 59460 by [[Special:Contributions/Cortex|Cortex]] ([[User talk:Cortex|talk]]) Incorrect DISPLAYTITLE use, only caps and space->underscore changes are valid, language could have easily been Hell, but isn't
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23:44:45 <esowiki> [[Quantum brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59464&oldid=54249 * Salpynx * (+31) use currently unused category page
23:46:01 <esowiki> [[Quantum Dimensions]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59465&oldid=41881 * Salpynx * (+30) use existing Quantum category
23:48:53 <esowiki> [[Expandable Quantum Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59466&oldid=8576 * Salpynx * (+212) add categories
23:49:22 <int-e> I don't understand ais523.
23:53:08 <esowiki> [[Quantum INTERCAL]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59467&oldid=58458 * Salpynx * (+56) categories
23:55:48 <esowiki> [[Semi-quantum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59468&oldid=42143 * Salpynx * (+77) categories
23:56:40 <int-e> Oh it says "or infinity". Sigh.
23:58:29 <esowiki> [[SoT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59469&oldid=20770 * Salpynx * (+31) this has a quantum element too