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03:21:25 <dauie_> Hello, All. Does anyone here have experience with packet_mmap by chance?
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04:42:17 <Lykaina> Hi. I'm making a pseudo-asm language I call "Echidna".
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04:48:56 <Lykaina> am i in the right channel?
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04:55:03 <HackEso> #esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's a 7-codimensional hyperenchilada about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. Currently located in the Atlantis Exclusion Zone.
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04:58:03 <ais523> Lykaina: I think so, but it isn't very active this time of day
04:58:12 <ais523> many esolangers are European, and it's about 5am UTC
04:58:46 <ais523> do you have any particular goal with your asm, or is this just for practice?
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05:00:30 <ais523> also this channel tends to be a mix of ontopic and offtopic discussion, I prefer the ontopic discussion but not everyone does
05:05:31 <shachaf> Is there an esolang based on string diagrams or some 2-categorical thing like that?
05:05:40 <shachaf> Or maybe just a monoidal categories.
05:05:51 <shachaf> Traced symmetric monoidal categories or whatever.
05:05:59 <shachaf> Some kind of data flow language? I don't know.
05:06:53 <esowiki> [[BF instruction minimalization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59421&oldid=59408 * Ais523 * (+595) /* Loop minimalizations */ expand this a bit
05:07:38 <esowiki> [[BF instruction minimalization]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59422&oldid=59421 * Ais523 * (-27) /* Some considerations */ remove signature line from the artitcle itself; the "anyone can edit" nature of a wiki means that attribution lines tend to get out of date, and the attribution itself is present under the "history" tab
05:08:16 <ais523> shachaf: not sure about /eso/langs, but computer scientists typically try to form categories out of all the programming languages they study
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05:09:32 <shachaf> How about: A language that uses index notation to express function application?
05:09:51 <shachaf> Maybe it would be suitable for something like linear logic? I don't know.
05:10:10 <esowiki> [[11CORTLANG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59423&oldid=59420 * Ais523 * (+1) /* Hello, World! */ fix; you need a leading 1 to prevent the "print character" instruction being interpreted as a literal
05:10:16 <ais523> the field is called "denotational semantics"
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05:11:03 <shachaf> That's not really what I'm talking about.
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05:16:46 <shachaf> I just really like index notation, man.
05:16:59 <shachaf> I feel like it could be used in interesting ways for things other than multilinear algebra.
05:17:18 <shachaf> Probably not for 2-categories, but some sort of traced symmetric monoidal category or whatever.
05:17:32 <shachaf> The category talk is a red herring, I think.
06:53:22 <esowiki> [[Is anything!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59424 * A * (+1398) Save first.
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07:15:07 <esowiki> [[Is anything!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=59430&oldid=59429 * A * (+92) /* Conditions */
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07:20:35 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/move]] move * A * moved [[Is anything!]] to [[M==]]: My programming language is too complicated.
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13:49:26 <wob_jonas> ``` for v in 200 165 120; do ftoc "$v"; done
13:49:27 <HackEso> 200.00°F = 93.33°C165.00°F = 73.89°C120.00°F = 48.89°C
13:51:06 <wob_jonas> ``` for v in 200 165 120; do ftoc "$v"; done
13:51:07 <HackEso> 200.00°F = 93.33°C \ 165.00°F = 73.89°C \ 120.00°F = 48.89°C
13:51:11 <wob_jonas> ``` for v in 200 165 120; do ctof "$v"; done
13:51:12 <HackEso> 200.00°C = 392.00°F \ 165.00°C = 329.00°F \ 120.00°C = 248.00°F
13:52:23 <Lykaina> does anyone have any interest in the asm-like interpreted language i am making in my spare time?
13:52:57 <wob_jonas> (I can only blame myself for these scripts by the way)
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14:19:14 <orin> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!msg/chromium-extensions/veJy9uAwS00/sVWM72KnGgAJ
14:19:17 <orin> They're making a change to google chrome so misguided and anti-user that *amnesty international* is chiming in
14:21:53 <orin> why is google so shit
14:52:24 <int-e> Tricky. Besides the obvious (Google is selling ads, so curtailing ad blockers is... tempting), they have other concerns as well. Security is one of them (huh, I didn't even know that the webRequest API can *redirect* requests; that should be fun in the hands of some people... in fact I may have heard of extensions replacing ads by other ones...), or even more trivial issues like battery lifetime...
14:52:30 <int-e> ...of their devices.
14:53:48 <int-e> It'll be interesting to see what happens to this proposal after the current public outcry.
14:54:18 <wob_jonas> is it worse than when firefox threw away their xul extension api?
14:57:25 <int-e> From the ad blocker perspective? Yes, since the functionality is much restricted. The makers of ublock and umatrix have already written that they cannot work with it.
14:59:04 <wob_jonas> Oh, that reminds me. Can you guys recommend a firefox extension where I can define client-side redirects from URLs to other URLs via some sort of wildcard rules, and I can also easily temporarily disable such a redirect?
15:00:07 <int-e> The main fallout from the XPCOM thing is that Flash is finally dead for good. I'm not sure that I've noticed any fallout from the switch from XUL to WebExtension, though I'm sure that plenty of extensions just were not rewritten.
15:09:46 <orin> wob_jonas: I have flash installed
15:10:50 <int-e> Well it was lingering on in some niches of the web, and kept being used as part of zombie cookie schemes.
15:11:06 <wob_jonas> orin: in a way that it works in the browser? or outside of that?
15:12:25 <wob_jonas> I haven't used flash for a long time. I do occasionally run some java thingies on my machine, because banks and the tax office depend on it, but these are not in my browser.
15:12:29 <int-e> (It's obviously not dead outside of the browsers. There's a plethora of games made with Flash, for example in the point&click puzzle adventure games like Machinarium)
15:12:34 <orin> wob_jonas: I have windows set to open .swf and .flv in flash when I download them
15:13:00 <orin> so, they don't show up in the browser correctly but they still work
15:13:35 <wob_jonas> yes, you're right, it's not dead outside browsers
15:26:01 <int-e> orin: if you want to do a technical comparison: https://developers.chrome.com/extensions/declarativeNetRequest is the new API that is supposed to replace https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/webRequest and the discussion is about the former not being an adequate replacement for the latter in various contexts.
15:30:59 <int-e> AFAIUI, the filters are approximately as powerful as what Adblock+ supports, but even they won't be happy because 30k rules just aren't enough.
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15:32:53 <orin> int-e: yeah, that's my understanding, but the ublock origin devs had some other complaints too
15:36:00 <orin> The Ghostery devs on the other hand said they would file an antitrust lawsuit
15:37:40 <orin> I have to say that I would love to see alphabet chopped into a set of separate companies
15:40:06 <orin> like, in particular, there is a huge conflict of interest with Android and google ad network being made by the same company
15:40:28 <wob_jonas> orin: as in A..I as one company with row 12 punched, then J..R as another company with row 11 punched, then S..Z as a third company with row 10 punched?
15:40:59 <int-e> conflict of interest? https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2000-07-01
15:41:38 <esowiki> [[User:Esofabrv]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=59443 * Esofabrv * (+106) Created page with "Esofabrv alias fabriboi. [https://github.com/fabrv/bf-interpreter I made a BF interpreter and derivative]."
15:42:35 <wob_jonas> int-e: how is that a conflict of interest? they're both interested in the same thing, showing google ads to the users on phone.
15:42:52 <int-e> wob_jonas: did you look at the comic?
15:43:18 <int-e> (or perhaps you're mixing me up with orin)
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