00:00:08 <fizzie> I don't think the whole article is really useful, but I couldn't leave it like that.
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00:04:12 <int-e> ah, how to make a hash out of a hash function?
00:04:27 <fizzie> The "process" side is worse, but I don't think we really need an article on hash functions, unless there's an actual esolang angle to them.
00:06:10 <int-e> fizzie: this may well have been a joke... the function was constant before. :P
00:06:57 <fizzie> int-e: Unless I missed something, it did still depend on the length of the input.
00:07:23 <fizzie> I don't think it was a joke, though.
00:07:38 <int-e> regardless, I agree with the sentiment that it has no esoteric contents anyway.
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00:28:17 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61051&oldid=60976 * Void * (+13) /* E */
00:34:02 <esowiki> [[Entish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61052 * Void * (+2338) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Entish |paradigms=imperative |author=[[void4]] |year=[[:Category:2019|2019]] |memsys=stack-based |dimensions=tree-based |class=:Category:Turing comp..."
00:38:50 <esowiki> [[Entish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61053&oldid=61052 * Void * (-118)
00:48:16 <esowiki> [[RarVM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61054&oldid=61049 * Void * (+1)
00:49:36 <esowiki> [[User talk:A]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61055&oldid=61031 * Helen * (+195)
00:50:24 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61056&oldid=61046 * Helen * (+891) /* Incrementing */ In progress
01:00:03 <zzo38> Do you like Magic: the Puzzling? I am looking at a recent one just now and I believe I have figured how to do it.
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01:05:18 <esowiki> [[RarVM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61057&oldid=61054 * Void * (+310) /* Language overview */
01:11:33 <esowiki> [[User:Void]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61058 * Void * (+43) Created page with "When life gives you lemons, create esolangs"
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01:13:41 <user24> An esolang whose syntax is *dancing*
01:15:38 <user24> how would you dance your language?
01:20:29 <esowiki> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61059&oldid=60992 * Void * (+39) /* Joke/Silly Ideas */
01:20:31 <HackEso> brexit:brexit is a command to forcefully exit, releasing 1GB of free space. This command was recently discovered to have a bug where it will repeatedly delay itself if not enough force is available. \ hfs:You have discovered an eerie cavern. The air above the dark stone floor is alive with vortices of purple light and dark, boiling clouds. Seemingly bottomless pits mark the surface. \ learning:Learning is disco, baby. \ lem:Stanisław Lem was a Polish
01:20:56 <HackEso> fish:Come and dance and love the fish! Mister Disco summoned it.
01:29:32 <user24> If you'd add some way to output tones, what kind of music would your esolang be most suited to?
01:42:55 <zzo38> I thought of a idea of a Magic: the Gathering card with "enchant object that is not in a hidden zone" (and also flash).
01:43:36 <zzo38> user24: If you mean with dancing, I suppose, it depend what kind of dancing. There is different kind of music for different kind of dancing, I think.
01:47:23 <user24> zzo38: if you ignore the music part and only focus on movement it might be easier
01:48:12 <zzo38> Although, there is esolangs with musical syntax as well, but depending how the one with dancing is, you have to see if it is suitable or not. (I don't know much about dancing, though.)
02:20:39 <esowiki> [[RarVM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61060&oldid=61057 * Void * (+40)
02:28:22 <user24> Only 50k instructions per second, ouch
02:29:08 <user24> How do you write fast VMs?
02:29:27 <zzo38> Depends on the VM, and on the host, I think.
02:30:12 <user24> I've tried RPython, because in theory, it generates a JIT for you. But in practice, it sucks to program with implicit types
02:31:00 <user24> You can't really say: "I want a 64 bit uint right here", you never know
02:31:49 <zzo38> I have partially written a Z-machine implementation for Famicom, for example, and it does a lot of stuff to improve speed.
02:33:45 <user24> did you add some sort of tracing?
02:34:53 <user24> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracing_just-in-time_compilation
02:36:02 <zzo38> It does not do any kind of JIT, actually.
02:37:31 <user24> maybe the loop is not too complex, so the compiler optimizes it well
02:37:55 <zzo38> Since I have not finished writing it (I abandoned it for now, since on this computer I no longer have the stuff needed for testing), I don't know, but by counting the cycles and comparing, it seems like it would likely be faster than other implementations running on similar computers.
02:38:06 <zzo38> It is written in assembly language, so it isn't optimized by a compiler.
02:38:32 <zzo38> Do you know any Famicom programming?
02:42:56 <zzo38> It is the NMOS 6502 instruction set. There is the memory mapping, and then the hardware; I have also designed the cartridge hardware (although haven't actually built it, but I expect it would work), which isn't that complicated but does a few things which are very uncommon in Famicom cartridges (it maps mapper registers over RAM mirrors, it uses a bank size of one byte, and it doesn't care whether the signal is a read or a write).
02:43:16 <zzo38> Do you know Z-machine programming?
02:45:18 <zzo38> Here is the document of Z-machine: http://zzo38computer.org/backup/zspec/zip_old.txt I have been unable to get it to render properly on my computer (I am probably doing something wrong), but even the source text is readable enough.
02:45:19 <user24> i just enabled the Rust optimizer
02:45:53 <zzo38> (I also implemented Z-machine in C, in JavaScript, and in Glulx. Note, Glulx is another VM for text adventure games like Z-machine is.)
02:50:19 <user24> other than a short encounter with Twine, i have not seen much interactive fiction before
02:50:23 <user24> Rust optimizer results: Lvl 0: ~50k IPS, 1: 160k IPS, 2: 800k IPS, 3: 1M IPS!
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03:00:08 <user24> https://esolangs.org/wiki/RarVM
03:15:19 <esowiki> [[RarVM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61061&oldid=61060 * Void * (+62) /* Implementations */
03:49:53 <oerjan> i assume those are sam's favorite mushrooms
03:54:55 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Void * uploaded "[[File:Snapshot.png]]"
04:00:36 <esowiki> [[RarVM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61063&oldid=61061 * Void * (+357) /* Examples/Use cases */
04:24:37 <user24> http://venge.net/graydon/talks/CompilerTalk-2019.pdf
04:28:10 <oren> `unidecode ÐĐƉ
04:28:12 <HackEso> [U+00D0 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER ETH] [U+0110 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D WITH STROKE] [U+0189 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AFRICAN D]
04:28:31 <oren> unicode can go fuck themselves with an african D
04:28:48 <oren> I hate these letters so much
04:29:28 <zzo38> At least in the font I am using the appearance are all same, it look like.
04:29:34 <user24> http://hopl.info/polykey.html
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04:32:12 <oren> there shoudln't be two letters that look exactly the same in the same damn script
04:33:03 <zzo38> Yes, I think you are correct
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05:41:28 <zzo38> I do not understand that classification of programming languages very well.
05:41:43 <zzo38> Better explanations would help.
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06:35:36 <esowiki> [[Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61065&oldid=61043 * A * (-29) Change to unknown computational class
06:47:41 <esowiki> [[Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61066&oldid=61065 * A * (-375) /* Common Algorithms */
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08:21:52 <esowiki> [[Z3]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61068 * A * (+745) Created page with "The [[Z3]] is a German computer created by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Zuse Konrad Zuse]. Despite its extreme simplicity(the computer simulated only addition, subtra..."
08:22:50 <esowiki> [[Z3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61069&oldid=61068 * A * (+69)
08:24:08 <esowiki> [[Z3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61070&oldid=61069 * A * (+141)
08:25:00 <esowiki> [[Z3]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61071&oldid=61070 * A * (+62)
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08:32:20 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61072&oldid=61067 * A * (+439) It is possible that bitch compiles to a Minsky machine.
08:32:57 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61073&oldid=61072 * A * (-4) Oh no, I made it super messy.
08:37:48 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61074&oldid=61064 * A * (-12) Very close
08:40:10 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61075&oldid=61073 * A * (-2393) Shorten the page
08:44:01 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61076&oldid=61075 * A * (+2393) Reading this page without the "tape" edit seems awkward.
08:44:49 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61077&oldid=61076 * A * (+2) /* User:A - Implementing a tape */
08:45:08 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61078&oldid=61077 * A * (-43) /* User:A - Wrong idea of a tape */
08:47:17 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61079&oldid=61074 * A * (+50) /* List of candidates */
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11:06:08 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61080&oldid=61078 * A * (+171) Provide more information for the readers.
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11:08:43 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61081&oldid=61080 * A * (+307) I'm pretty positive that this will fail.
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11:45:16 <esowiki> [[User talk:A]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61082&oldid=61055 * A * (-250)
11:45:35 <esowiki> [[User talk:A]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61083&oldid=61082 * A * (-231)
11:48:13 <esowiki> [[MalTape]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61084 * A * (+125) Edit
11:52:10 <esowiki> [[MalTape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61085&oldid=61084 * A * (+516)
11:53:19 <esowiki> [[MalTape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61086&oldid=61085 * A * (+115) /* The tape */
11:53:49 <esowiki> [[MalTape]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61087&oldid=61086 * A * (-20) /* Computational class */
11:54:07 <esowiki> [[MalTape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61088&oldid=61087 * A * (+31) /* Computational class */
11:54:56 <Frater_EST> Does this group actually ever talk about occult/esoteric/paranormal or is that a red herring?
11:55:56 <esowiki> [[MalTape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61089&oldid=61088 * A * (+208) /* Computational class */
11:56:12 <esowiki> [[MalTape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61090&oldid=61089 * A * (+28) /* Actual commands */
11:57:03 <esowiki> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61091&oldid=60729 * A * (+61) /* Brainfuck derivatives */
12:02:09 <wob_jonas> Frater_E: that is a leftover from a topic set for late April fools
12:02:19 <HackEso> Frater_E: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <https://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
12:02:42 <wob_jonas> the channel topic usually says something like that
12:03:24 <Frater_EST> Oh, in that case I am in the wrong interest group. :P
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12:06:34 <wob_jonas> I guess we should change the channel topic
12:16:43 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61092&oldid=61081 * A * (+195) /* Incrementing */
12:18:37 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61093&oldid=61092 * A * (+3) pseudo-code seems crammed
12:20:53 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61094&oldid=61093 * A * (+5) /* Decrementing */
12:43:07 <fizzie> Oh, I hadn't even noticed that.
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12:44:23 <fizzie> wob_jonas: FWIW, we don't topiclock, it's a free-for-all to update.
12:44:34 <fizzie> I just reverted it to the pre-April-fools one.
12:44:59 <fizzie> (Well, except I also dropped the IOCCC mention, I think it's been long enough.)
12:45:09 <wob_jonas> we also do code golf and canaima support
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13:18:28 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61098&oldid=61097 * Helen * (+266) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
13:21:04 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61099&oldid=61098 * Helen * (+14) /* Decrementing idea */ very minor formatting edit
13:21:52 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61100&oldid=61099 * Helen * (-14) Undo revision 61099 by [[Special:Contributions/Helen|Helen]] ([[User talk:Helen|talk]]), changed my mind
13:24:18 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61101&oldid=61100 * Helen * (+260) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
13:25:55 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61102&oldid=61101 * Helen * (+135) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
13:26:39 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61103&oldid=61102 * Helen * (-14) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
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13:46:46 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61104&oldid=61103 * A * (+196) This is completely possible.
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13:50:28 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61105&oldid=61104 * A * (+149) Add something.
13:52:50 <esowiki> [[Talk:Home Row]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61106&oldid=57274 * A * (-297) Blanked the page
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14:04:20 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61107&oldid=61105 * A * (-710) Compiling to a Minsky macine will be trivial, since Home Row was already compiled to it.
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14:16:56 <esowiki> [[JarJarScript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61108&oldid=58105 * EnilKoder * (+0) correction of spelling of "grammar"
14:19:22 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61109&oldid=61107 * A * (-201) Sorry, I misunderstood the loops.
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14:24:43 <esowiki> [[Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61110&oldid=61066 * A * (+20) The halting problem is of course impossible.
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14:30:05 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61115&oldid=61109 * A * (+8) Add links that I forgot to add.
14:44:22 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61116&oldid=61115 * A * (-171) /* Unconditional Branching */
14:45:20 <esowiki> [[User talk:A]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61117&oldid=61083 * A * (-388) Blanked the page
14:55:50 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61118&oldid=61116 * A * (+200) You understood it the wrong way. I will explain it.
15:05:59 <HackEso> olist 1161: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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18:25:16 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61119&oldid=61118 * Helen * (+943) /* Incrementing */ Actually did algorithm
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18:48:35 <esowiki> [[Alphabet Stew]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61121&oldid=58275 * DMC * (-64) /* Description */
18:49:14 <esowiki> [[Alphabet Stew]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61122&oldid=61121 * DMC * (+0) /* Description */
18:50:54 <esowiki> [[Alphabet Stew]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61123&oldid=61122 * DMC * (+77) /* Description */
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19:54:01 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61125&oldid=61120 * Helen * (+2077) /* Incrementing */
19:57:30 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61126&oldid=61125 * Helen * (+245) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
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20:02:57 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61128&oldid=61127 * Helen * (+6) /* Decrementing idea */ oops
20:08:12 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61129&oldid=61128 * Helen * (+122) /* Zeroing a cell */
20:13:27 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61130&oldid=61129 * Helen * (+367) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
20:13:49 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61131&oldid=61130 * Helen * (+4) /* Attempt by User:Helen */ small formatting error
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23:21:51 <oerjan> yay, i actually caught someone with an april fools joke! a bit late but...
23:22:36 <oerjan> i'm not sure that's ever happened before, but then my childhood memories are pretty blurry.
23:27:10 * oerjan is slightly surprised someone like b_jonas hadn't created [[Z3]] before.
23:29:48 <oerjan> a minor annoyance when checking lots of esolangs tabs is that unlike wikipedia, the page title for history pages starts with "Revision history" instead of the page name, meaning that the first letters showing in the tab lists give me no indication of which page is which without hovering.
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23:33:14 <oerjan> i would guess that's the reason why wikipedia changed it.
23:38:33 <oerjan> heh www.mediawiki.org doesn't have that change
23:50:27 <oerjan> hm neither does wiktionary.
23:52:48 <oerjan> german wikipedia has a version with quote marks.
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