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00:07:56 <oerjan> fizzie: can i change it to $1: Revision history like wikipedia?
00:11:33 <oerjan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:History-title seems to be the discussion from when wikipedia changed it
00:12:38 <oerjan> well, one of the times, at least
00:14:10 <oerjan> the actual reordering seems to have happened in 2012
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00:17:19 <oerjan> . o O ( did fizzie just go to bed? )
00:18:39 <fizzie> If it's easily changeable, sure.
00:20:20 <esowiki> [[MediaWiki:History-Title]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61134 * Oerjan * (+20) Putting the article title first like on Wikipedia seems more useful for tabbed browsing
00:20:29 <int-e> <oerjan> . o O ( did fizzie just go to bed? ) <fizzie> If it's easily changeable, sure. <--- somewhat tempting quote, if only for the slight surreal note
00:21:01 <oerjan> or do we have a rule against it
00:21:09 <HackEso> quoteformat is: <nick> message; * nick action; two spaces between messages; all elisions marked with [...] other than irrelevant intervening messages; for messages separated by elision, one space on each side, not two.
00:21:37 <oerjan> i think by the rules you must put [...] first :P
00:23:35 <oerjan> doesn't seem to have taken effect yet, although there may be some caching involved
00:26:26 <fizzie> https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllMessages&prefix=history-title&filter=all&lang=en&limit=50 still shows the old string.
00:26:42 <fizzie> I wonder if we have $wgUseDatabaseMessages on or not.
00:28:30 <fizzie> It should be on by default, and I don't see an override. Not sure if there's a handy special page that could show the config somewhere.
00:30:14 <fizzie> (There is a message cache too, though.)
00:33:46 <fizzie> Maybe we'll: wait and see what'll happen.
00:45:32 <esowiki> [[Joke language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61135&oldid=61091 * Oerjan * (+1) /* Brainfuck derivatives */ grm
00:47:28 <esowiki> [[Talk:Home Row]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61136&oldid=61106 * Oerjan * (+153) Undo blanking of another person's message
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05:35:09 <shachaf> Hmm, Infocom game source is posted at https://github.com/historicalsource
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08:30:51 <esowiki> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61137&oldid=61059 * Total Vacuum * (+112) /* Ideas for Names */
08:31:47 <esowiki> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61138&oldid=61137 * Total Vacuum * (+20) /* Ideas for Names */
08:32:46 <rain1> apparently it's an illegal upload by a notorious copyright infringer
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08:49:19 <esowiki> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61140&oldid=61138 * Total Vacuum * (+39) /* Ideas for Names */
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09:23:55 <esowiki> [[User:TuxCrafting]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61141&oldid=56864 * TuxCrafting * (+50)
09:29:32 <esowiki> [[User talk:TuxCrafting]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61142&oldid=59502 * TuxCrafting * (+190)
09:29:52 <esowiki> [[User:TuxCrafting]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61143&oldid=61141 * TuxCrafting * (+8)
09:47:54 <esowiki> [[Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61144&oldid=61133 * A * (+25) There is aleady a proof in the talk page.
09:48:38 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Featured languages/Candidates]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61145&oldid=61079 * A * (-19) /* List of candidates */
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10:04:40 <orpheu> Someone sent this code to me: .... ..... .... .......... .... ......... ..... ... .... .... .... ........... .... ... .. ... ....... ..... ...... .... ...., ........ .. ...... ..... ....., .... ...! CCOA
10:05:02 <esowiki> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61146&oldid=61140 * Total Vacuum * (+318) /* Ideas for Names */
10:05:06 <orpheu> I've searched everywhere and can not figure out
10:05:46 <rain1> to co coa coa coa coa cow c^a coa coa coa coa ra coa con coa coa coa con coa coa coa con coa con coa coa coa coa□ccoa con coa coa coa coa con co
10:06:54 <orpheu> Can anyone help me or have an idea of what this code might be?
10:20:30 <esowiki> [[Uf]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61147 * Total Vacuum * (+337) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=uf (forth, microforth) |paradigms=imperative |author=[[User:Total Vacuum|Total Vacuum]] |year=[[:Category:2019|2019]] |memsys=:Category:Stack-base..."
10:20:40 <esowiki> [[User:Total Vacuum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61148&oldid=49750 * Total Vacuum * (+504)
10:37:49 <esowiki> [[Uf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61149&oldid=61147 * Total Vacuum * (+485)
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10:40:19 <orpheu> Someone sent this code to me: .... ..... .... .......... .... ......... ..... ... .... .... .... ........... .... ... .. ... ....... ..... ...... .... ...., ........ .. ...... ..... ....., .... ...! CCOA
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10:45:17 <esowiki> [[Uf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61151&oldid=61149 * Total Vacuum * (-6)
10:52:16 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61152&oldid=61051 * Total Vacuum * (+9)
11:21:24 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61153&oldid=61139 * A * (+264) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
11:22:27 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61154&oldid=61153 * A * (-1) Move decrementing idea
11:22:45 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61155&oldid=61154 * A * (-4) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
11:25:24 <esowiki> [[Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61156&oldid=61144 * A * (+198) /* Turing-completeness */
11:26:38 <esowiki> [[Works in progress]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61157&oldid=60307 * A * (-19) Add bitch to get more help from other users.
11:34:09 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61158&oldid=61155 * A * (+189) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
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12:02:23 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61159&oldid=61158 * A * (+19) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
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12:18:10 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61160&oldid=61159 * A * (+84) Already Turing-complete!
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12:22:50 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61161&oldid=61160 * A * (+8) Z3 is unique, so I will add "the" to them.
12:28:44 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61162&oldid=61161 * A * (+137) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
12:46:40 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61163&oldid=61162 * A * (-137) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
12:47:04 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61164&oldid=61163 * A * (-28) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
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13:11:02 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61165&oldid=61164 * A * (+37) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
13:15:43 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61166&oldid=61165 * A * (+119) /* User:Helen - Implementing arithematic operations */
13:16:39 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61167&oldid=61166 * A * (+87) /* User:Helen - Implementing arithematic operations */
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13:26:56 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61169&oldid=61168 * A * (+9) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
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13:31:47 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61170&oldid=61169 * A * (-2352) /* User:A - Idea of a tape in the accumulator */
13:32:16 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61171&oldid=61170 * A * (-109) /* User:A - Basic compilation */
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13:43:53 <int-e> Hmm "software-managed [cache] coherence".
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13:54:12 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61173&oldid=61172 * A * (-47) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
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14:00:08 <esowiki> [[Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61175&oldid=61156 * A * (+26) /* Turing-completeness */
14:00:43 <esowiki> [[Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61176&oldid=61175 * A * (+4) /* Turing-completeness */
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14:06:36 <esowiki> [[Esolang talk:Featured languages/Candidates]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61177&oldid=57024 * A * (-167)
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14:15:49 <esowiki> [[Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61178&oldid=61176 * A * (-47) /* Turing-completeness */
14:24:24 <esowiki> [[Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61179&oldid=61178 * A * (-181) /* Turing-completeness */
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14:58:43 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61181&oldid=61180 * Helen * (+203) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
15:02:02 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61182&oldid=61181 * Helen * (+274) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
15:03:36 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61183&oldid=61182 * A * (+212)
15:04:33 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61184&oldid=61183 * Helen * (+6) /* Attempt by User:Helen */
15:07:36 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61185&oldid=61184 * A * (+145) /* Proof that all loops are computationally equivalent */
15:08:51 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61186&oldid=61185 * A * (+115) /* Proof that all loops are computationally equivalent */
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15:21:35 <wob_jonas> oerjan: I haven't heard of this Z3, but does it by chance have something to do with the two languages described in https://esolangs.org/wiki/Blindfolded_Arithmetic ?
15:23:12 <wob_jonas> hmm. apparently it's at least similar.
15:23:48 <esowiki> [[Blindfolded Arithmetic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61189&oldid=59373 * B jonas * (+50) link [[Z3]]
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16:00:53 <esowiki> [[BTree]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61192&oldid=61190 * TuxCrafting * (+133) categories
16:03:02 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61193&oldid=61152 * TuxCrafting * (+12)
16:18:28 <esowiki> [[User:TuxCrafting]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61194&oldid=61143 * TuxCrafting * (+192)
16:47:37 <esowiki> [[BTree]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61195&oldid=61192 * TuxCrafting * (+104)
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17:31:50 <esowiki> [[User:Total Vacuum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61196&oldid=61148 * Total Vacuum * (+4) /* ideas */
17:34:14 <esowiki> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61197&oldid=61150 * Total Vacuum * (-27) /* Ideas for Names */
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18:34:56 <b_jonas> oerjan: am I associated with BANCStar so much that I ought not to propose it as a featured article on the wiki?
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19:28:28 <esowiki> [[BANCStar]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61198&oldid=40697 * B jonas * (+296)
19:38:41 <esowiki> [[BANCStar]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61199&oldid=61198 * B jonas * (+45) /* Implementation */
19:58:34 <oren> given a large enough corpus of code in a language L, one can construct a turing-complete language @L where code is a list of references to lines of code in that corpus
19:59:01 <oren> foo.pl:230;bar.pl:30;...
20:02:27 <oren> now, imagine M@L,C to be the corpus in language M such that a program written in @L for the corpus C, would work when applied to it.
20:03:55 <oren> I think it is probably extremely hard to derive this corpus
20:04:33 <oren> even if both languages are simple imperative languages
20:09:48 <oren> translating a program line-for-line into a different language is hard, but M@L,C is harder, requires that each line behaves the same as its corresponding line in C, not only in it's context in C, but in any possible context
20:13:44 <b_jonas> my hon. and learned friend fungot, has fizzie been adding new markov models to you?
20:13:44 <fungot> b_jonas: the one who got you killed him for it?
20:14:17 <b_jonas> https://esolangs.org/logs/2014-06.html#lJIc
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20:25:50 <b_jonas> `addquote <shachaf> #define __NR_oldolduname 59 <olsner> fungot: what's your old old name? <fungot> olsner: they decided not to waste any brain cells storing obscure unix silliness).
20:25:50 <fungot> b_jonas: you and the pogo hammer. he transported, it saved a princess.
20:25:52 <HackEso> 1333) <shachaf> #define __NR_oldolduname 59 <olsner> fungot: what's your old old name? <fungot> olsner: they decided not to waste any brain cells storing obscure unix silliness).
20:26:12 <b_jonas> # quote from https://esolangs.org/logs/2014-06.html#lO1b
20:27:14 <olsner> ooh, fresh me-quote, I wonder how long ago it was that I actually said anything in here
20:27:18 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
20:27:30 <FireFly> olsner: well, now you just reset the counter
20:27:53 <olsner> FireFly: I figured the quote did anyway
20:28:31 <olsner> so ehm, quote me in 5 years and I'll try to remember not to respond
20:29:38 <b_jonas> oh, counter for how long it's been that you said anything here
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20:39:48 <HackEso> Mario is a classic PSPACE-complete problem invented by Nintendo.
20:40:51 <esowiki> [[User:Total Vacuum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61200&oldid=61196 * Total Vacuum * (+205) /* ideas */
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20:48:43 <b_jonas> shachaf: yeah, I was reading the logs for BANCStar
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22:50:36 <ais523> hmm, the Z3 on the wiki is confusing me, as there's a non-eso language called Z3 too
22:51:11 <ais523> or, well, "non-eso" is relative here, it's pretty eso compared to languages like Java, but it's intended for serious use
22:55:05 <shachaf> Presumably Zuse's Z3 came first.
22:57:17 <shachaf> SAT solvers are pretty neat.
22:57:28 <shachaf> I'd like to learn all the fancy tricks they use.
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23:37:41 <ais523> the docs for Microsoft's Z3 describe it as a "theorem prover", for some reason
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