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00:59:53 <HackEso> A is one of seven villages in Norway. The BBC invented them by not understanding things on top of letters.
01:00:46 <HackEso> wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø?
01:04:45 <gerzytet> where do the entries come from?
01:13:42 <HackEso> `learn creates a wisdom entry and tries to guess which word is the key. Syntax (case insensitive): `learn [a|an|the] <keyword>[s][punctuation] [...]
01:18:59 <gerzytet> `? learn a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
01:19:01 <HackEso> learn a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.? ¯\(°_o)/¯
01:19:14 <gerzytet> ` learn a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
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01:19:20 <gerzytet> `learn a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
01:19:22 <HackEso> Learned 'fungu': a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
01:20:10 <gerzytet> "tries to guess which word is the key", I thought that meant it would try to guess what you're describing
01:26:34 <fizzie> It's suitably surreal to be a wisdom entry nevertheless; but the depluralization went wrong there.
01:27:01 <fizzie> `` mv wisdom/fungu wisdom/fungus # you may opt to `forget it if you wish
01:28:34 <fizzie> The full list is at https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/wisdom if you're bored.
01:28:57 <gerzytet> I cracked myself up afterwards that it now thinks a 'fungu' is a species of fungus, so that's good enough
01:30:05 <fizzie> There's a good set of factoids about things that "are just" other things: https://hack.esolangs.org/tmp/paste/paste.15102
01:38:23 <gerzytet> `learn toilet elliot spelled backwards, without the extra l, with a t at the end.
01:38:26 <HackEso> Learned 'toilet': toilet elliot spelled backwards, without the extra l, with a t at the end.
01:40:27 <gerzytet> `learn toilet is elliot spelled backwards, without the extra l, with a t at the end.
01:40:30 <HackEso> Learned 'toilet': toilet is elliot spelled backwards, without the extra l, with a t at the end.
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01:48:36 <zzo38> You can't depluralize very well, even if the program is complicated, especially if you do not know the context. Making the plural however is more easily to do (although even then it might not be what you wanted).
01:48:41 <ais523> b_jonas: we use JPC-RR for TASing, not DOSbox
01:48:56 <ais523> there was a TAS created on DOSbox once but it was really hacky and thus possibly didn't control the date and time at all
01:50:56 <zzo38> ais523: Do you know if it would work to override the interrupt table to control the date/time? (not for TASing though; just for other purpose) (Does DOSBOX even support TSR? Even if not, it could probably be done, if overriding the interrupt table works at all.)
01:53:11 <ais523> I would be surprised if it didn't support TSR
01:53:25 <ais523> whether overriding the interrupt table would work would depend on how the game read the date and titme
01:53:42 <ais523> you can imagine programs that read the RTC chip directly without using DOS's interrupt-based API
01:53:54 <ais523> but if they're using interrupts to ask what the date and time are, overriding the interrupt table would work
01:54:26 <ais523> another possibility might be to use some sort of wrapper around DOSbox to control DOSbox's idea of the real date and time
01:56:21 <ais523> note that dates and times on files are probably taken from the filesystem, so changing the running program's or DOSbox's idea of the time will probably not change the timestamps for created files
01:57:36 <zzo38> Of course, another way would be to modify DOSbox to implement the date/time setting functions, I suppose; although then if there is a new version and they didn't merge those functions into the official version then you will have to do it by yourself instead.
01:58:37 <zzo38> ais523: If you use a disk image file then it might change the timestamps for created files (if the date/time function was even implemented at all)
01:58:42 <ais523> DOSbox doesn't seem to emulate DOS's "date" command (which I assume would be implemented by a file date.com)
02:01:03 <zzo38> The DOS function call to set the date/time doesn't work.
02:02:06 <zzo38> (I wrote a short program to do so, and it doesn't work. I also tried doing it in BASIC, and in BASIC it doesn't work either. If you type TIME$="06:00:00" and then ?TIME$ it will not remember the time setting.)
02:22:40 <gerzytet> what's with all the jokes about Taneb on the wisdom dictionary
02:25:56 <HackEso> Tanebventions include necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, progress, sanity, Italian, the grace period, the limerick, ruin, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths or tanebventions: foods. He never invents anything involving sex.
02:26:14 <HackEso> elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, James Bond. Pending approval: Shigeru Miyamoto.
02:29:06 <gerzytet> also, why does https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/file/tip/wisdom/ha have a different permission setting than any of the other files?
02:38:01 <ais523> gerzytet: I'm personally not a fan about the wisdom database, but most of the anomalies like tanebventions are originally bad jokes that then turned into running jokes and got more and more elaborate
02:39:44 <esowiki> [[User:Esolime]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=61410 * Esolime * (+123) Created page with "Hi! I'm Esolime, and I make grid-based esolangs out of toys and games. I even make esophyses (esoteric physics simulators)."
02:39:56 <ais523> I prefer learndbs to contain useful information rather than jokes, but people enjoy writing joke entries more even when they aren't funny (or even comprehensible to people who don't know the context)
02:41:34 <shachaf> I only like oerjan's wisdom jokes.
02:41:38 <gerzytet> I find the absurdity of the database kinda funny
02:43:01 <ais523> we used to do quality control on the quotes by periodically picking 5 at random and deleting the worst (unless they were all good)
02:43:11 <ais523> but we aren't adding quotes nearly as quickly nowadays so that's less necessary
02:43:18 <ais523> I'm not convinced we've /ever/ done quality control on the wisdom though
02:43:28 <HackEso> 1/1:toilet//toilet is elliot spelled backwards, without the extra l, with a t at the end. \ up//Up is a direction away from the center of gravity of a celestial object. \ imperative language//Imperative languages tell you what to do. \ inverness//Inverness is a city in Scotland. The ring road isn't multiplicative. \ itymology//Itymology is the science of understanding the true meaning of a statement.
02:43:45 <shachaf> that first one is p. sketchy
02:43:48 <ais523> can I delete all five? :-D
02:44:04 <shachaf> "itymology" is such a good word, though!
02:44:52 <ais523> feel free to delete any of them
03:22:21 <esowiki> [[List of ideas]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61411&oldid=61284 * Esolime * (+42) /* Physics */
03:28:29 <zzo38> I do not want to delete any, but, maybe someone else might I don't know
03:33:27 <shachaf> Do you have any good opinions on graphical user interfaces?
03:34:24 <zzo38> shachaf: I think many programs should not need GUI (although in some kind of programs it can be helpful)
03:41:52 <zzo38> Working with a command-line interface or batch interface can often be faster and more useful
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07:26:44 <zzo38> Now I made a program that articles in my NNTP server can also be accessed by gopher if you know the article number, for example: gopher://zzo38computer.org/0article/2
07:28:24 <zzo38> (This server uses the same article numbers for all newsgroups; the NNTP specification seems to assume that this isn't the case but seems to allow it to be the case anyways.)
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10:01:37 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61412&oldid=61376 * A * (+430) /* Some thoughts */
10:08:09 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61413&oldid=61412 * A * (+98) Possibly no one knew anything about Lua operators except for me.
10:11:23 <esowiki> [[User:Total Vacuum]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61414&oldid=61386 * Total Vacuum * (+3)
10:13:19 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61415&oldid=61413 * A * (+131) /* Another idea */
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10:15:42 <wob_jonas> `bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190428.html
10:15:43 <HackEso> bobadventureslist http://bobadventures.comicgenesis.com/d/20190428.html: b_jonas
10:25:34 <HackEso> a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
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10:27:10 <wob_jonas> ``` set -e; cd wisdom; mv -vi fungus mushroom; sed -i "s/^/A mushroom is /" mushroom; cat mushroom; echo ok
10:27:13 <HackEso> 'fungus' -> 'mushroom' \ mushroom//A mushroom is a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain. \ A mushroom is a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain. \ ok
10:27:32 <HackEso> A mushroom is a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
10:28:21 <wob_jonas> ais523: re dosbox ok, but I think some people do use dosbox to run some dos games still
10:28:29 <wob_jonas> although perhaps then they don't manipulate randomness by setting hte time
10:34:42 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61416&oldid=61415 * A * (+14) Did anyone fix the capitalized heading?
10:50:30 <wob_jonas> "<ais523> I'm not convinced we've /ever/ done quality control on the wisdom though" => I've done it on my own wisdom entries, deleting a lot of bad ones.
10:51:24 <wob_jonas> I also deleted a few by other people
10:51:45 <Taneb> I've wished some of mine were deleted
10:52:40 <wob_jonas> which of yourventions should we remove from the list and delete the wisdom entry?
10:53:09 <int-e> do we have fungotventions?
10:53:10 <fungot> int-e: http://neon.polkaroo.net/mhoye/ blarg/ archives/ 001207.html."
10:53:17 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
10:53:30 <Taneb> Not all of the wisdoms I added are tanebventions (in fact, I think I only added two)
10:53:44 <fungot> wob_jonas: what about getting a blank t-shirt, taking a list of lists brings the first level of this discussion, i merely offered one sentence. i wonder if a srfi on c.l.scheme!
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11:02:46 <zzo38> Why do they call them "The Air and the Song"?
11:05:13 <esowiki> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61417&oldid=57415 * A * (+2024) Another proof(to be verified)
11:06:03 <esowiki> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61418&oldid=61417 * A * (+0) /* A possible proof */
11:06:41 <esowiki> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61419&oldid=61418 * A * (+3) grm
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12:19:30 <esowiki> [[Talk:Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61420&oldid=61419 * A * (+85) /* A possible proof */
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12:30:25 <esowiki> [[Talk:Disan Count]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61421&oldid=56725 * A * (-111) Undo revision 56725 by [[Special:Contributions/A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]])
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13:12:27 <kmc> hi wob_jonas how goes it
13:12:34 <kmc> i'm on a train
13:13:14 <wob_jonas> ais just mentioned cleaning up the wisdome, so I deleted two more of my old wisdom entries
13:13:20 <kmc> I would slightly disagre with that definition of mushrooms
13:13:31 <HackEso> A mushroom is a fungus that grows above ground, especially after rain.
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13:13:42 <kmc> because many fungi grow above ground, and most like moisture
13:13:48 <kmc> well that's ok, i'm not blaming you
13:14:05 <kmc> I would say the defining feature of a 'mushroom' in common parlance is a macroscopic fruiting body
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13:23:21 <esowiki> [[User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61422&oldid=61408 * YamTokTpaFa * (-2) /* Random value */
13:24:24 <kmc> there are also lichens with macroscopic (though small) mushroom like fruiting bodies
13:24:39 <kmc> and that comes from the fungus part of the lichen, so I figure it should count as a mushroom
13:24:50 <kmc> and some slime molds do it too but those aren't fungi technically
13:25:48 <kmc> they are "protists" which just means "weird eukaryotes that we can't classify as animal, plant, or fungus"
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13:30:31 <esowiki> [[User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61423&oldid=61422 * YamTokTpaFa * (+357) /* Temporary memory */
13:34:54 <esowiki> [[User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61424&oldid=61423 * YamTokTpaFa * (+204) /* Operating content of file */
13:37:01 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61425&oldid=61416 * A * (-33) /* Another idea */
13:58:43 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61426&oldid=61425 * A * (+509) (Last?) Edit of an improved algorithm
13:59:54 <esowiki> [[User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61427&oldid=61424 * YamTokTpaFa * (+580) /* Conditional looping */
14:00:49 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61428&oldid=61426 * A * (+149) /* Another idea */
14:06:14 <esowiki> [[User:YamTokTpaFa/sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61429&oldid=61427 * YamTokTpaFa * (+314) /* Arithmetic operation */
14:08:15 <esowiki> [[Pxem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61430&oldid=61397 * YamTokTpaFa * (+2477) /* Specifications */
14:08:48 <esowiki> [[Pxem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61431&oldid=61430 * YamTokTpaFa * (-478)
14:10:19 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61432&oldid=61428 * A * (+72) /* Another idea */
14:10:20 <esowiki> [[Talk:Pxem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61433&oldid=60881 * YamTokTpaFa * (+134) /* Announcement:I'm fixing the article. */
14:12:43 <esowiki> [[Pxem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61434&oldid=61431 * YamTokTpaFa * (+39) /* History */
14:16:09 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61435&oldid=61432 * A * (+2) /* A: Home Row to bitch */
14:29:56 <esowiki> [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61436&oldid=60966 * A * (+309) /* Batch */
14:44:14 <esowiki> [[Bfstack]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61437&oldid=61399 * A * (+190) Add a proof because I am very nosy...
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14:52:28 <esowiki> [[Talk:Bitch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61438&oldid=61435 * A * (+252) /* Some thoughts */
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16:06:44 <HackEso> whatis: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config
16:06:50 <HackEso> /srv/hackeso-code/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: monad: not found
16:06:58 <HackEso> Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors.
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16:46:00 <esowiki> [[Pxem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61439&oldid=61434 * YamTokTpaFa * (+666)
16:46:38 <esowiki> [[Pxem]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=61440&oldid=61439 * YamTokTpaFa * (+1) /* Instructions */
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17:10:24 <HackEso> olist 1162: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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21:47:34 <int-e> @tell oerjan Seems you were correct... things are finally on track for going horribly right. Probably not in the way you expected though :)
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21:52:33 <HackEso> rl: elcome o he nternational ub or soteric rogramming anguage esign nd eployment! or ore nformation, heck ut ur iki: <ttps://solangs.rg/>. (or he ther ind f soterica, ry #soteric n Fnet r ALnet.)
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23:44:17 <shachaf> Did you know that defining a macro starting with the letter E followed by an uppercase letter is undefined behavior in C?
23:45:42 <kmc> is that because of errno?
23:46:24 <kmc> so much undefined behavior
23:51:01 <pikhq> shachaf: I bet it's only undefined behavior if you include the right headers.
23:51:28 <pikhq> Which admittedly is going to be a lot of headers.
23:51:44 <shachaf> I think it's the case even if you don't.
23:58:48 <pikhq> I see no evidence of that.
23:59:26 <pikhq> I see it saying errno.h may define additional macro definitions beginning with E[0-9A-Z].
23:59:46 <pikhq> But that appears to only be reserved if you include errno.h (indirectly or otherwise).
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23:59:58 <pikhq> And since they are explicitly macros, you are safe if you use #undef first.