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00:35:25 <int-e> Yeah God disinherited Moses or something. News at 11.
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00:44:17 <HackEso> 1/2:116) (in #irp) <Sgeo> Flonk, ask on #esoteric? <Flonk> Sgeo: yeah well its C++, so not that esoteric :P \ 417) <itidus20> It's ok guys. I am doing what I can to keep my psyche and ego surviving. All the while the threat of ww3 looms, the mortality of family and friends(loved ones?) and sooner or llater my own mortality. \ 122) <fungot> pikhq: it was fragrant with the scent of abomination. hear a speech declaring a holy war, is the man insane? some i
00:44:22 <HackEso> 2/2:diot missionary gets himself killed, some man writes some gibberish about the shape of a dragon, wonse?" \ 1103) <boily> aaaaaurgh. you're making me think on a Monday! that shouldn't be happening! \ 1156) <fungot> boily: i'm robert fnord. here take a piece of freenode furniture
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05:29:33 <esowiki> [[Talk:Rook]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63770&oldid=63767 * A * (+279) /* Request */
05:30:30 <esowiki> [[Talk:Rook]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63771&oldid=63770 * A * (-25)
05:31:03 <esowiki> [[Talk:Rook]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63772&oldid=63771 * A * (+3) /* Suggestion to FF alternative */ grm
05:32:47 <esowiki> [[Deadfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63773&oldid=63766 * A * (+2) /* C++ Codegolfed */ Interesting. C++ has 91 dialects.
05:41:12 <esowiki> [[Deadfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63774&oldid=63773 * A * (-5) /* C++ Codegolfed */ Broken when 0 is decremented
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06:19:47 <salpynx> int-e: misencephalobinea and encephalobineophobia?
06:23:37 <salpynx> b_jonas: sorry, those terms should have been directed at you, misencephalobinea for your condition, hatred of rather than fear
06:29:00 <salpynx> arseniiv: I think I was focusing too much on the trees in Punctree. I don't quite get the zippers yet. "In this language there are no trees" throws me, I thought I understood how / \ ^ applied to trees, but haven't got the zipping. Diagrams help me visualise, but I'm not seeing the zippers for the trees
06:42:47 <salpynx> imode: based on our graph discussion the other day I have started working on on 2D string rewriting concept, which ends up being a kind of graph rewriting. User:Salpynx/Sator_Resatus
06:45:21 <salpynx> I have somewhat rushed into it, and probably won't get to an interpreter anytime soon, but want to finish the syntax parser and 2D output (inTeX?) as well as get a better understanding of how the replacement rules should be applied. It's an experiment.
06:46:56 <salpynx> imode: Thanks for the TinkerPop links. I've be looking into that as a general tool for more useful work. Are you a TinkerPop user, or just finding while researching graph concepts?
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11:36:48 <esowiki> [[EML]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63778&oldid=63777 * A * (+18)
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13:52:17 <esowiki> [[Rook]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63785&oldid=63768 * A * (-268) I am starting to wonder whether my version is valid or not.
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16:54:52 <HackEso> Cathedral of Chalesm? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:57:06 <esowiki> [[DubDubMachine]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=63787 * ThisIsTheFoxe * (+4013) I created this Page for the 3rd time now. Pls work!! And pls fix that bug when you edit and are logged out that is warns you to save EVERYTHING!!
16:59:32 <esowiki> [[DubDubMachine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63788&oldid=63787 * ThisIsTheFoxe * (+19) ed
17:00:34 <esowiki> [[DubDubMachine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63789&oldid=63788 * ThisIsTheFoxe * (+0) either i'm dumb or too tired.. sorry last change is the same as this: Change the link of the author
17:01:24 <esowiki> [[DubDubMachine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63790&oldid=63789 * ThisIsTheFoxe * (+19) aaaand another one..
17:04:11 <esowiki> [[DubDubMachine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=63791&oldid=63790 * ThisIsTheFoxe * (+72) added brakelines <br>?
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22:41:51 <zzo38> I was having trouble with the hard drive. I tried changing the superblock setting and now it boots, although I want to copy the files to DVDs as soon as possible.
22:49:27 <zzo38> Should the --numeric-owner option be used when making and restoring backups for use when they must be restored without the /etc/passwd and so on available?
22:49:55 <zzo38> Presumably the -S option should also be used. (I used both options last time, so probably I should use them now, too)
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23:00:09 <zzo38> Is it possible to tell tar to only copy files newer than a specific date?
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23:02:31 <zzo38> I have a previous backup, and I wrote the date on them: 2018-03-22. So, if I can only backup files modified after 2018-03-21 then it should be suitable.
23:05:27 <b_jonas> zzo38: you can probably use find ... -print0 | tar --null -I - iirc
23:05:41 <b_jonas> might be -T instead of -I , I don't recall the syntax on top of my head
23:05:46 <b_jonas> darn it, that makes the xkcd true
23:06:04 <b_jonas> I'm usually good enough with invoking tar, though annoyed that --no-same-owner --no-same-permissions is so long
23:06:15 <b_jonas> oh, and you need an extra option to turn off recursion, or else -I is really silly
23:06:18 <shachaf> imo why is software so bad
23:06:31 <b_jonas> shachaf: it beats 7z's argument parsing any time
23:06:56 <shachaf> i was certainly not claiming that there's no worse software out there
23:07:23 <b_jonas> no, I like 7z in general, just not its command-line interface. I should eventually modify its source to keep the core but make the command-line saner or something.
23:07:46 <b_jonas> tar -c --null --no-recursion -T -
23:08:05 <b_jonas> I actually use tar|7z for my backups
23:08:19 <b_jonas> with that -T thing to tell which files to include
23:08:56 <b_jonas> I can't use just 7z, because it doesn't save unix file attributes, and it acknowledges that in the docs clearly
23:08:58 <zzo38> Yes I think you mean -T which I have just specified now anyways. (Although I did not specify the date; since I did not do so, it will copy everything, but it should still fit hopefully. If it does not, I will try again with the date)
23:09:01 <b_jonas> but tar does, and I can pipe it
23:09:05 <fizzie> My tar has a few options for directly including only new files; --newer and --newer-mtime.
23:09:10 <fizzie> https://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_section/tar_52.html
23:09:50 <b_jonas> zzo38: I use https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=922051 to split the backup to archives around size 100 megabytes (size varies, because I measure uncompressed size, and even that only approximately)
23:09:56 <b_jonas> that way I can split it up to DVDs then
23:10:04 <zzo38> I am using gzip for compression, since I know Partedmagic has gzip, but I am not so sure about 7z.
23:10:09 <b_jonas> store the full backup on hard disk between, though technically you could use multiple passes
23:12:53 <zzo38> O no, I may have forgotten something: does tar read hidden files in subdirectories by default?
23:14:43 <zzo38> Nevermind; I found hidden files listed when doing tar -t, such as ".npm/registry.npmjs.org/parse-rdf/.cache.json" so I can see that it does have them.
23:15:35 <b_jonas> zzo38: since I use --no-recursion -T - to feed a list of files, I don't think that question matters there
23:16:05 <b_jonas> what matters is whether the program I use to generate the list of files includes them, and it does if you mean dotfiles
23:16:12 <zzo38> OK. If I do it later with dates then I would need --no-recursion
23:16:16 <zzo38> Yes I do mean dot files
23:18:02 <zzo38> I have set up a separate backup partition on the hard drive, which contains the compressed tape archives used for backup. Now I can put it on a DVD.
23:19:39 <zzo38> Since SMART attributes 197 and 198 have a nonzero raw value, then presumably I should copy it to a fresh hard drive as soon as possible, I think, or should I just make a backup and postpone copying to the new hard drive (until when?)?
23:19:48 <zzo38> I am going to make a backup regardless, though.
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23:23:44 <zzo38> I alsoo used --ignore-failed-read; does it normally display error messages due to failed reads in such a case? I seem to remember that it does; this time I got no error messages.
23:28:20 <b_jonas> zzo38: are you sure it's not a hardware error that the hard disk is starting to have?
23:29:03 <zzo38> I think it may be some kind of hardware error.
23:30:01 <zzo38> What command should I use to record it onto a DVD?
23:32:18 <zzo38> SMART attribute 198 is now 10, and attribute 197 is now 2 but it was as high as 13 before.
23:33:40 <int-e> Current_Pending_Sector going down is expected... the sectors are rewritten, and potentially relocated (in which case Offline_Uncorrectable should go up?).
23:33:42 <b_jonas> zzo38: probably xorriso, but there are other programs that can do it too
23:36:39 <zzo38> I tried growisofs now, but now it says file is too big (but -allow-limited-size would give it the correct file size with UDF but not ISO, if the file would fit on the DVD at all, which I am not quite sure of).
23:36:53 <zzo38> int-e: Offline_Unforrectable is not going up; it remains at ten.
23:38:05 <int-e> TBH I'm unsure what that number really means. I'm more certain about the pending sectors... those are uncorrectable read errors... either because something disturbed the magnetization of the platter (alpha particles?) which can be fixed by rewriting, or because the magnetic material is somehow breaking down, in which case it can't be firxed.
23:38:22 <zzo38> The man page for genisoimage also says "UDF support is currently in alpha status and for this reason, it is not possible to create UDF-only images"; what should I do? Use UDF mode anyways?
23:38:44 <int-e> (writes to neighbouring sectors are more likely to destroy a sector, I suppose)
23:39:25 <zzo38> I suppose I will try anyways to record it in this mode (if it doesn't work, I have several more DVDs), and then try to read it back to see if it is working OK, I suppose.
23:41:35 <zzo38> My previous backups are three DVDs: "Backup of /home", "Backup of /var", and "Backup of everything except /home and /var". (It won't fit everything on one DVD.)
23:43:05 <shachaf> People still use optical media?
23:44:37 <b_jonas> zzo38: I dunno, my tar chunks are small enough to not encouter such a limitation
23:44:47 <zzo38> I also have a CD with Parted Magic
23:44:55 <b_jonas> zzo38: but I still suggest xorriso
23:45:21 <b_jonas> install from source from http://libburnia-project.org/
23:45:37 <b_jonas> or from distribution, whatever