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00:06:09 <esowiki> [[(0)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67305&oldid=63328 * B jonas * (+243) /* Properties of (0) */
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00:53:07 <lambdabot> fizzie said 11h 59m 17s ago: Well, I fixed it, but I don't know why. Something to do with using a host-side opened /dev/null fd instead of the UML 'null' channel for some inputs/outputs. I don't
00:53:07 <lambdabot> kspalaiologos said 6h 53m 45s ago: greets! Are you the person who made Malbolge Unshackled?
00:53:41 <oerjan> . o O ( fizzie found a Feathery bug )
00:54:10 <oerjan> @tell kspalaiologos Yes. I thought the Wiki page said so...
00:54:20 <oerjan> ^wiki Malbolge Unshackled
00:54:20 <fungot> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbolge Unshackled
00:56:09 <oerjan> @tell kspalaiologos I suppose you need to click through to my name to find the nick.
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01:12:16 * oerjan was wondering if fizzie had ignored bfbot by hand or had a .*bot rule
01:12:46 <oerjan> definitely looks ignored
01:12:52 <fungot> oerjan: 1. ps is missing a " from"
01:18:18 <oerjan> <fizzie> `` echo $HOME # Hm, I didn't realize this was set. <-- i always thought that was to prevent junk from programs that like to create .config files there
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01:19:56 <esowiki> [[Brainfuck Contest 1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67306&oldid=56282 * Odog8 * (+53)
01:20:23 <oerjan> oh and i guess it also prevents people from _creating_ .config files to mess up programs.
01:34:08 <HackEso> 1/2:414) <itidus20> It's ok guys. I am doing what I can to keep my psyche and ego surviving. All the while the threat of ww3 looms, the mortality of family and friends(loved ones?) and sooner or llater my own mortality. \ 915) <oerjan> maybe i was violated by a pole once \ 160) Thanks to nooga for constructive criticism, his ideas and being a constant annoyance. --http://theendisnear.no-ip.info/ \ 864) <kmc> what is the linux equivalent
01:34:23 <HackEso> 2/2:e magical purple light which makes things glow if they have been involved in a crime <elliott> kmc: nmap?? \ 135) <Vorpal> alise, it works fine for irc but interactive stuff? no.
01:35:52 <HackEso> 864) <kmc> what is the linux equivalent of the magical purple light which makes things glow if they have been involved in a crime <elliott> kmc: nmap??
01:36:15 <HackEso> *poof* <Vorpal> alise, it works fine for irc but interactive stuff? no.
01:36:35 <oerjan> i don't see the point of that one, without context.
01:36:45 <fizzie> Oh, I see, the username changed.
01:37:07 <fizzie> It's HackEso!~HackEso@cloak now, it used to be HackEso!~h@cloak a while ago.
01:37:45 <fizzie> I must've wiped out the ~h patch when I moved from Mecurial to git for the code, I think it was just hand-patched in.
01:38:01 <fizzie> Well, that should hopefully be easy enough to fix.
01:39:01 <fizzie> Yeah, the multibot default is always the same as the nick, I think I had just locally edited it.
01:39:30 <oerjan> (incidentally, i was applying the traditional 1/5 quote purging method hth)
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01:40:59 <oerjan> . o O ( It was inevitable. )
01:41:14 <fizzie> Oh, some sort of library versioning issue.
01:41:20 <fizzie> ./multibot: error while loading shared libraries: libevent_core-2.1.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
01:43:25 <oerjan> in all that debugging yesterday, you never restarted the outer bot code?
01:43:46 <fizzie> Well, no, multibot's pretty dynamic like that.
01:44:04 <fizzie> Hm. Both systems have Debian 10 installed, but the machine where I build things has libevent-core-2.1-6:amd64 version 2.1.8-stable-4 while the container where it runs has libevent-core-2.0-5:amd64 version 2.0.21-stable-3.
01:44:20 <fizzie> I guess they're both installable in stable, and I just have the wrong one.
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01:46:09 <HackEso> 1/2:66) <Slereah> I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love \ 900) <Sgeo> Actually, just as a guess, J might be worse than APL because it's restricted to normal (ascii?) characters, I guess \ 1262) <b_jonas> (make is an esoteric language) <prooftechnique> b_jonas: Most esolangs I've seen have more comprehensive docs than make \ 251) <catseye> wow, thinkgeek really makes me hate being alive \ 1151) <fungot> kmc: any chance one c
01:46:16 <HackEso> 2/2:an have a box full of tnt to throw around
01:47:33 <HackEso> *poof* <catseye> wow, thinkgeek really makes me hate being alive
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02:16:48 <oerjan> `slwd kspalaiologos//s,$,.,
02:16:50 <HackEso> kspalaiologos//kspalaiologos is a brainfuck addict. He's secretly disassembling brainfuck code for a casino that lost the source code. Apparently knows the secret of Malbolge.
02:35:32 <oerjan> is Cindy about to go full von Neumann probe
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06:52:56 <kspalaiologos> Because I wasn't sure about do you realize that I made a chess game and a minesweeper in your language
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07:34:59 <oerjan> kspalaiologos: i'd be a bit more impressed if you didn't also go on about how large and slow the programs are ;) btw you're the second person i've noticed who has found out how to program it. i'm not one of them.
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07:48:38 <kspalaiologos> oerjan: c'mon, I needed to use lookup tables to add
07:48:51 <kspalaiologos> It's impossible to do this in some more performant way
07:49:57 <kspalaiologos> And I'm possibly third person in existence to break it
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07:57:35 <oerjan> i know, i upvoted some of your Seed submissions
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07:58:42 <oerjan> also i shouldn't _really_ be talking about speed, it's not something i'm good at optimizing (see: the actual Malbolge Unshackled reference interpreter)
08:00:56 <oerjan> kspalaiologos: btw interpreters that have reliable rotation width growth are cheating imo
08:01:39 <oerjan> i spent way to much time thinking about how make it as uselessly non-dependable as possible :P
08:18:46 <oerjan> "lunevka" getting away could be very bad, because she's just learned that all she needs to become a queen is to transfer herself to an organic body...
08:19:45 <oerjan> well, possibly it needs to be a spark body.
08:21:48 <esowiki> [[Pass]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=67307 * A * (+784) Created page with "[[Pass]] is a *practical* language. I am putting this documentation here because I am unsure whether this language is esoteric enough. == Language quick-reference == * <code>(..."
08:29:13 <int-e> I'm still waiting for P?dre's lantern to drop.
08:31:15 <esowiki> [[Pass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67308&oldid=67307 * A * (+1251)
08:34:36 <int-e> Hmm, "a small fabber", are you *sure* this isn't the Force Multiplication chapter?
08:42:52 <oerjan> no, it's the Force Exponentiation chapter, obviously
08:44:00 <b_jonas> `perl -euse Date::Manip::Date; $d = Date::Manip::Date->new("now"); $s = $d->new("2019-06-03"); $f = $s->calc($d, 0, "semi"); print $f->("%dys days");
08:44:02 <HackEso> Not a CODE reference at -e line 1.
08:44:09 <b_jonas> `perl -euse Date::Manip::Date; $d = Date::Manip::Date->new("now"); $s = $d->new("2019-06-03"); $f = $s->calc($d, 0, "semi"); print $f->printf("%dys days");
08:44:44 <b_jonas> `perl -euse Date::Manip::Date; $d = Date::Manip::Date->new("today"); $s = $d->new("2019-06-03"); $f = $s->calc($d, 0, "semi"); print $f->printf("%.2dys days");
08:46:42 <b_jonas> are those new force powers?
08:47:14 <oerjan> only if you're in the same force as schlock
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09:02:19 <esowiki> [[Treesolang]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67309&oldid=67295 * Baidicoot * (+12) link to implementation
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10:20:33 <esowiki> [[User:OsmineYT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67310&oldid=67284 * OsmineYT * (+10)
10:20:41 <esowiki> [[User:OsmineYT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67311&oldid=67310 * OsmineYT * (+1)
10:20:53 <esowiki> [[User:OsmineYT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67312&oldid=67311 * OsmineYT * (+1)
10:22:17 <esowiki> [[Pass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67313&oldid=67308 * A * (+115) /* Some basic functionalities */ That's almost the whole language. Wait 'til I define the complex operator system.
10:22:19 <esowiki> [[Bin-8]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=67314 * OsmineYT * (+105) Created page with "bin-8 is an idea (WIP) for programming language. It's founded in 2019 by [[User:OsmineYT|User:OsmineYT]]."
10:23:24 <esowiki> [[Bin-8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67315&oldid=67314 * OsmineYT * (+68)
10:23:31 <esowiki> [[Bin-8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67316&oldid=67315 * OsmineYT * (-2)
10:23:38 <esowiki> [[Bin-8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67317&oldid=67316 * OsmineYT * (-2)
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10:25:28 <esowiki> [[Pass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67318&oldid=67313 * A * (+379) Just saw Bin-8 and it is really amazing!
10:30:41 <esowiki> [[Bin-8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67319&oldid=67317 * OsmineYT * (+188)
10:33:21 <esowiki> [[Bin-8]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67320&oldid=67319 * OsmineYT * (+0)
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11:12:10 <kspalaiologos> @tell oerjan well, that's nice :p. I'm using really an Malbolge20 interpreter that is actually a subset of MU.
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11:41:06 <wib_jonas> fungot, what is a coloom? is it a tool to unravel fabric into threads? a cotool to unravel fabric into threads?
11:41:07 <fungot> wib_jonas: mmm... mayonnaise... fnord looks like it could be read by read...
11:43:12 <wib_jonas> you know how we have several quotes where fungоt gives an amusingly appropriate reply? we should try to brute force more of those, by finding something that he says often, then repeatedly asking a question to which that answer is relevant and finding the matching answers. we could make a brute-forcing bot for that.
11:44:46 <myname> feeding an ai with quoting its nonsense as reward
11:46:10 <HackEso> 1213) <b_jonas> fungot, do you like running double exponential time algorithms? <fungot> b_jonas: im not sure
11:46:19 <HackEso> *poof* <b_jonas> fungot, do you like running double exponential time algorithms? <fungot> b_jonas: im not sure
11:46:29 <wib_jonas> that one is not an amusingly relevant answer
11:46:42 <HackEso> 1323) <shachaf> #define __NR_oldolduname 59 <olsner> fungot: what's your old old name? <fungot> olsner: they decided not to waste any brain cells storing obscure unix silliness).
11:48:53 <wib_jonas> there are a lot of boring fungоt quotes though
11:52:19 <int-e> . o O ( The main problem of Tic-Tac-Toe is that there are too many draws at the highest level of play. )
11:55:33 <wib_jonas> int-e: that never stopped the fans of football
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12:08:06 <fungot> arseniiv: why do you not like optional arguments or bounds checking, so it is
12:08:35 <arseniiv> fungot: why, I do love both of them, though bounds checking is better be a static one
12:08:35 <fungot> arseniiv: i think you can translate a bf program
12:09:48 <arseniiv> and suddenly that’s too much belief
12:09:52 <kspalaiologos> Fungot is just bfbot with worse interpreter and Markov chains cmon
12:10:21 <arseniiv> kspalaiologos: and written in a language of magic!
12:10:47 <arseniiv> though don’t you have plans to incorporate a Markov chains into bfbot?
12:11:27 <arseniiv> then we could have bot battles!^W^W^W^W^W^W
12:11:59 <arseniiv> I mean, where two bots talk to each other until the sequential request limit
12:12:12 <myname> int-e: depending on what you consider hightest level of play, I wouldn't say that has to be a bad thing
12:12:46 <kspalaiologos> It depends on telnet, tritium and some other garbage
12:12:53 <myname> i do prefer a game where perfect play on my part does not lead me to a loss if i wasn't the starting player
12:15:08 <bfbot> No such command. Try =help.
12:15:34 <wib_jonas> kspalaiologos: why does the echo command swallow some backslashes?
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12:16:38 <arseniiv> fungot: give me some backlashes
12:16:38 <fungot> arseniiv: who is lytha ayth? xd a 2d fnord
12:16:53 <wib_jonas> =echo \a\b\c\d\e\f\g\h\i\j\k\l\m\n\o\p\q\r\s\t\u\v\w\x\y\z
12:16:54 <bfbot> abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
12:17:07 <arseniiv> fungot: if I was a bot too, would we be friends?
12:17:07 <fungot> arseniiv: fnord, the public has power over!
12:17:18 <wib_jonas> =echo \\A\B\C\D\E\F\G\H\I\J\K\L\M\N\O\P\Q\R\S\T\U\V\W\X\Y\Z
12:17:18 <bfbot> \ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
12:17:22 <wib_jonas> =echo \A\B\C\D\E\F\G\H\I\J\K\L\M\N\O\P\Q\R\S\T\U\V\W\X\Y\Z
12:17:22 <bfbot> ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
12:17:38 <wib_jonas> kspalaiologos: it may be just that =echo is defined in a strange way
12:17:39 <arseniiv> fungot: do you like ASCII, at last?
12:17:48 <arseniiv> ah, sky is the limit or something
12:17:58 <bfbot> ok, defined 'echo1'
12:18:08 <wib_jonas> =echo1 hello, \world. \a\b\c\d\e\f\g\h\i\j\k\l\m\n\o\p\q\r\s\t\u\v\w\x\y\z
12:18:08 <bfbot> hello, world. abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
12:18:57 <bfbot> one ' two ' three ' four
12:19:01 <int-e> myname: this is a complaint that people have about high-level chess ;-)
12:19:36 <myname> int-e: people are stupid
12:23:11 <wib_jonas> =echo !"# $%&' ()*+ ,-./ 0123 4567 89:; <=>? @ABC DEFG HIJK LMNO PQRS TUVW XYZ[ \]^_ `abc defg hijk lmno pqrs tuvw xyz{ |}~
12:23:11 <bfbot> !"# $%&' ()*+ ,-./ 0123 4567 89:; <=>? @ABC DEFG HIJK LMNO PQRS TUVW XYZ[ ]^_ `abc defg hijk lmno pqrs tuvw xyz{ |}~.
12:23:58 <wib_jonas> =echo and ¡¢£ ¤¥¦§ ¨©ª« ¬®¯ °±²³ ´µ¶· ¸¹º» ¼½¾¿ ÀÁÂà ÄÅÆÇ ÈÉÊË ÌÍÎÏ ÐÑÒÓ ÔÕÖ× ØÙÚÛ ÜÝÞß àáâã äåæç èéêë ìíîï ðñòó ôõö÷ øùúû üýþÿ
12:23:58 <bfbot> and ...... ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........ ........
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13:21:20 <esowiki> [[Pass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67321&oldid=67318 * A * (+1044) /* The complex behavior for all of the operators */
13:27:07 <esowiki> [[Pass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67322&oldid=67321 * A * (+314) /* The complex behavior for all of the operators */
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13:41:26 <esowiki> [[Pass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67323&oldid=67322 * A * (+959) /* The complex behavior for all of the operators */ Now done with multiplication
13:48:24 <esowiki> [[Pass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67324&oldid=67323 * A * (+1269) /* Behavior of * */ I should make a ~1000-byte edit each time...
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13:54:11 <esowiki> [[Pass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67325&oldid=67324 * A * (+136) Add precedence
14:03:13 <esowiki> [[Pass]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67326&oldid=67325 * A * (+177) /* The try function */
14:06:42 <int-e> Meh, Firefox. First "Recommend extensions as you browse"... now "Recommend features as you browse"... they really are trying hard to be annoying.
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14:09:14 <int-e> Hmm actually maybe the second one has been there for a bit and managed not to annoy me.
14:18:29 <esowiki> [[Pass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67327&oldid=67326 * A * (+70) /* Some basic functionalities */
14:22:12 <esowiki> [[Pass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67328&oldid=67327 * A * (+112)
14:22:40 <esowiki> [[Pass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67329&oldid=67328 * A * (+62) /* Some basic functionalities */
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14:26:03 <esowiki> [[Pass]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67330&oldid=67329 * A * (-5) Huge try function proofread
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17:27:42 <kspalaiologos> Is there any interesting esoteric language that isn't hell on earth to implement?
17:39:36 <tswett[m]> kspalaiologos: Well, /// is definitely interesting and it's pretty simple. :D
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18:48:35 <esowiki> [[User:Palaiologos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67331&oldid=67302 * Palaiologos * (+235) A few links
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18:53:25 <b_jonas> =echo foo $HOME bar `uname` qux
18:53:25 <bfbot> foo $HOME bar `uname` qux
18:53:32 <b_jonas> =echo foo \$HOME bar \`uname\` qux
18:53:32 <bfbot> foo $HOME bar `uname` qux
18:56:10 <b_jonas> kspalaiologos: I just wonder how that backslash thing works
18:56:33 <kspalaiologos> it's far beyond my will of investigating obfuscated bash code
18:57:24 <b_jonas> =str 1s++++++++[->++++++<].+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+[]
18:57:26 <bfbot> ok, defined 'msg1'
18:57:41 <b_jonas> =str 1s++++++++[->++++++<]>.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+.+[]
18:57:43 <bfbot> ok, defined 'msg1'
19:02:24 <b_jonas> ``` cat /hackenv/bin/lowercase
19:02:25 <HackEso> #!/bin/bash \ print_args_or_input "$@" | tr A-Z a-z | LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 sed 'y/ØÅÆŒÞÐÄÖÜÁÉÍÓÚÝŁ/øåæœþðäöüáéíóúýł/'
19:02:27 <HackEso> #!/bin/bash \ topic=$(echo "$@" | lowercase | sed "s/noo\+dl/noooodl/;s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo '`'"$topic" | sed 's/^`\(`\|$\)//') \ topic2=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd $HACKENV/wisdom \ if [ \( "_$topic2"_ = "_ngevd"_ \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic"; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1"; \ elif [ -e "$topic2" ]; \ then cat "$topic2";
19:02:30 <b_jonas> wow, this is overcomplicated
19:14:17 <b_jonas> `python3 -cprint(open("/hackenv/bin/??").read()[300:])
19:14:17 <HackEso> usage: umlbox [-h] [--verbose] [--base-mounts] [--mount DIR] \ [--mount-write DIR] [--translate GUEST HOST] \ [--translate-write GUEST HOST] [--cwd DIR] [--env VAR=VALUE] \ [--no-stdin] [--root] [--local H:G] [--remote G:A:P] [--x11] \ [--timeout T] [--memory M] [--linux KERNEL] [--mudem MUDEM] \ [--initrd INITRD] \ X [X ...] \ umlbox: error: unrecognized argum
19:15:11 <b_jonas> fizzie: something is wrong with the bot
19:16:47 <HackEso> usage: umlbox [-h] [--verbose] [--base-mounts] [--mount DIR] \ [--mount-write DIR] [--translate GUEST HOST] \ [--translate-write GUEST HOST] [--cwd DIR] [--env VAR=VALUE] \ [--no-stdin] [--root] [--local H:G] [--remote G:A:P] [--x11] \ [--timeout T] [--memory M] [--linux KERNEL] [--mudem MUDEM] \ [--initrd INITRD] \ X [X ...] \ umlbox: error: unrecognized argum
19:16:51 <HackEso> usage: umlbox [-h] [--verbose] [--base-mounts] [--mount DIR] \ [--mount-write DIR] [--translate GUEST HOST] \ [--translate-write GUEST HOST] [--cwd DIR] [--env VAR=VALUE] \ [--no-stdin] [--root] [--local H:G] [--remote G:A:P] [--x11] \ [--timeout T] [--memory M] [--linux KERNEL] [--mudem MUDEM] \ [--initrd INITRD] \ X [X ...] \ umlbox: error: unrecognized argum
19:23:41 <esowiki> [[HackEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=67332&oldid=67244 * B jonas * (+2288) wisdom database
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19:30:08 <arseniiv> <kspalaiologos> Is there any interesting esoteric language that isn't hell on earth to implement? => Fractran? ;D
19:31:51 <kspalaiologos> in_ r1/in_ r2/mov r3,256/lbl 1/dec r3/mov r4,r2/pow r4,r3/le_ r4,r1/jnz r4,2/jnz r3,1/lbl 2/out r3
19:33:14 <fizzie> As part of general refactoring, I switched the umlbox command line handling around a little, and the new version required a '--' to separate the command from arguments. The previous version implicitly treated everything from the first non-flag argument as positional.
19:33:24 <fizzie> Thanks for letting me know, it was a pretty glaring security hole. :)
19:34:20 <fizzie> (Well, only up to the second layer of sandboxing. But you could've used the network, and made arbitrary changes to the repository.)
19:35:30 <b_jonas> `python3 -cprint(open("/hackenv/bin/??").read()[300:])
19:35:31 <HackEso> of what you are speaking."
19:35:35 <HackEso> Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 28 subversion 1) configuration: \ \ Platform: \ osname=linux \ osvers=4.9.0 \ archname=x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi \ uname='linux localhost 4.9.0 #1 smp debian 4.9.0 x86_64 gnulinux ' \ config_args='-Dusethreads -Duselargefiles -Dcc=x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc -Dcpp=x86_64-linux-gnu-cpp -Dld=x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc -Dccflags=-DDEBIAN -Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -g -O2 -fdebug-prefix
19:35:39 <HackEso> Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 28 subversion 1) configuration: \ \ Platform: \ osname=linux \ osvers=4.9.0 \ archname=x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi \ uname='linux localhost 4.9.0 #1 smp debian 4.9.0 x86_64 gnulinux ' \ config_args='-Dusethreads -Duselargefiles -Dcc=x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc -Dcpp=x86_64-linux-gnu-cpp -Dld=x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc -Dccflags=-DDEBIAN -Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -g -O2 -fdebug-prefix
19:35:57 <b_jonas> `python3 -cprint(open("/hackenv/bin/??").read()[200:])
19:35:57 <HackEso> "$f" ];then exec bash "$f";fi;if [ -r "$f" ];then exec cat "$f";fi;echo "I must confess, I know not of what you are speaking."
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20:36:33 <b_jonas> is there fictional private detective who is lawful in the D&D alignment sense?
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22:13:07 <b_jonas> fungot, what car would you want to drive if you were rich?
22:13:08 <fungot> b_jonas: i don't fully understand what you're trying to make is wrong!
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22:18:48 <fizzie> b_jonas: Adrian Monk, maybe? I don't know the character that well, so maybe not.
22:19:31 <fizzie> I'm guessing they usually end up employed by some sort of an official police force or equivalent if they're lawful.
22:23:06 <b_jonas> TODO self for HackEso: rewrite rnoodl to a C program that writes output asap rather than waiting for a full line, with some arbitrary short timeout before printing "d" for the exceptional case when it reads "nood" but not the byte after it yet;
22:23:33 <b_jonas> add a command to add to the whatis database; complete the wiki description of the bot
22:24:31 <int-e> What about the Agathy Christie ones, hmm. I guess Miss Marple isn't exactly a PI, she usually investigates people as a favor. Hercule Poirot though... I think is pretty lawful.
22:27:09 <b_jonas> it's hard to tell how to describe Poirot. sometimes he lets criminals get away with what they did, but that isn't enough to make him not lawful.
22:28:09 <b_jonas> He certainly wants order and patterns in his life, and works to force that, but does that matter for the D&D alignment?
22:28:31 <int-e> Right I was getting there... I was focusing on his methods, not on his attitude wrt. delivering criminals to the law where his moral standards differ from those of the law. Tricky!
22:28:32 <b_jonas> He probably died as a lawful.
22:28:53 <b_jonas> fungot, what is the set of Mario games that feature paragoombas?
22:28:53 <fungot> b_jonas: http://luuk.kapsi.fi/ stuff/ fnord/ fnord/ fnord/ index.htm for a better place
22:29:10 <int-e> Most fictional PIs employ unlawful methods.
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22:29:29 <fizzie> My thinking was along those lines. Marple's not really professionally a private detective, and as for Poirot, I think all those scenes he stages where he tricks the criminal to reveal themselves are kind of maybe non-lawful.
22:30:03 <b_jonas> fizzie: like arranging a scéance with a live actor playing a ghost? sure
22:30:06 <int-e> Ah, funny. Entrapment is illegal for the police... but is it illegal for private entities? :)
22:31:28 <int-e> *Actually* even if we include fictional police detectives, we may be in trouble finding a wholly lawful one.
22:31:28 <fizzie> I don't know if it's illegal, that particular thing just didn't feel like lawful-aligned behavior to me.
22:31:46 <b_jonas> then there's a case when Poirot commits perjury, lying at the inquest about the recently deceased person
22:31:57 <fizzie> int-e: I think Carrot Ironfoundersson would qualify, I just ruled him out becase he's working for the Watch.
22:32:22 <arseniiv> fizzie: b_jonas: whoa, suddenly I want to read Poirot stories (I hadn’t read many classic detective stories in my life, don’t know how had it ended like this)
22:32:32 <int-e> fizzie: Oh yeah he might... I didn't think of fictional societies at all.
22:32:54 <b_jonas> arseniiv: they're worth to read, yes. and then they're kind of hard to discuss at risk of spoilers,
22:33:06 <b_jonas> because there are so many Poirot books that I think most people haven't read all of them
22:33:14 <b_jonas> I've read quite a lot by now, but not all of them by far
22:33:15 <int-e> let's mention triangles and leave it at that.
22:33:33 <b_jonas> my favourite Poirot book is Five Little Pigs
22:33:56 <int-e> I have definitely not read them all.
22:33:57 <fizzie> I'm not sure I've read all of them, but I'd guesstimate at least somewhere close to 90%.
22:34:13 <arseniiv> spoilers => I am not hppavillion[1]
22:34:22 <b_jonas> I just borrowed another Agatha Christie book, it's on my shelf next to me. They're a bit hard to read, but it's usually worth.
22:34:32 <int-e> I have read all Sherlock Holmes stories... but that's a far less daunting endeavor.
22:34:33 <arseniiv> hm how many did she wrote them?
22:35:02 <b_jonas> int-e: I have read I think more than half of the original Sherlock Holmes stories
22:35:02 <arseniiv> how many of Poirot stories/books, I mean
22:35:20 <fizzie> 47 are listed in Wikipedia's "Hercule Poirot in literature" page.
22:35:27 <fizzie> Many are short story collections, though.
22:36:18 <int-e> Yeah, I was just looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_Christie_bibliography ... "daunting" is the right term, I think.
22:36:44 <b_jonas> fizzie: yes, "Labors of Hercules" is a nice short story collection about Poirot
22:37:04 <int-e> Sherlock Holmes is one thick book, maybe comparable to the Lord of the Rings.
22:37:48 <b_jonas> int-e: have you read Andy Weir's Sherlock Holmes stories? there are three of them, see http://www.galactanet.com/writing.html
22:39:30 <fizzie> Of the Marple books, I think I like Nemesis.
22:39:49 <b_jonas> in "Labors of Hercules", Poirot lies that he has a brother who is even more brilliant than him, as an obvious shoutout to Sherlock Holmes. What's the name of that brother?
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22:40:28 <fizzie> ...apparently it's just "Achille".
22:41:04 <b_jonas> that makes sense, since Achilles is the second greatest hero in the classic greek mythology
22:41:37 <b_jonas> the greatest hero of recent times, where Herakles himself has lived in the distant past
22:47:40 <fizzie> Other Marple books I like include Sleeping Murder, and The Mirror Crack'd from Side to Side.
22:47:51 <b_jonas> arseniiv: I don't know, I don't think I heard any ranking that goes past Achilles
22:48:37 <b_jonas> I'll have to re-read The Mirror Crack'd Side to Side. I've read it once, but don't remember it much, and I think I only read it in translation
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22:49:50 <b_jonas> among Marple books, I recently read The Murder at the Vicarage, which is a decent story even though the viewpoint person is an annoying character
22:50:15 <b_jonas> and I've read A Murder is Announced recently
22:50:26 <b_jonas> I don't think I've read any Marple books other than those three
22:51:45 <b_jonas> but then there aren't many
22:51:52 <b_jonas> unlike how there are a lot of Poirot books
22:53:12 <b_jonas> there are short stories about Marple too, I should read those if I can find the book
22:55:59 <b_jonas> totally unrelated, I wish to advertise http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?601011 which is a play by post game of Magic: the Gathering with three-card decks (no hidden information so everyone is assumed to play optimal strategy if we can figure it out, you don't lose from decking, no mulligans, all cards printed by Wizards are allowed except those that were in the winning deck of any previous
22:56:44 <b_jonas> it is an esoteric enough game so I think it's relevant here
23:05:44 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Deraj * New user account
23:06:02 <Deraj> Uh oh -- I've been caught
23:06:45 <HackEso> Deraj: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <https://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
23:06:46 <Deraj> Side note: that was the toughest captcha ever
23:06:57 <b_jonas> ooh, you like our Befunge captcha?
23:07:08 <b_jonas> or unefunge or whatever it is
23:07:39 <Deraj> Not sure "like" is how I'd describe it, but it is certainly appropriate
23:09:48 <Deraj> Am I lame for searching for an online Befunge interpreter instead of actually learning the language just to please the captcha?
23:10:15 <b_jonas> finding a befunge interpreter is a good way to solve the captcha
23:11:00 <Deraj> I guess if you can't do that, you're probably not really THAT into esoteric programming languages
23:13:02 <fizzie> We had a brainfuck one before, yet got spam past it, which was pretty bizarre.
23:14:22 <b_jonas> fizzie: I learned from kspalaiologos that casinos use brainfuck. casinos also send spam. so it's no wonder they can get past the captcha.
23:14:56 <Deraj> Wow. I know on the PICO-8 BBS, zep's impression was that a unique (game) captcha was probably sufficient, because who would waste their time trying to spam a tiny community? Apparently casinos!
23:15:12 <b_jonas> I think if we set an APL captcha, we'd get spam from the finance sector advertising investment opportunities.
23:15:13 <fizzie> I just find it hard to believe anyone would pay individual attention to our wiki, which gets very little traffic.
23:15:38 <fizzie> And if we set a Coq captcha, we get spam from all the computer science departments advertising postdoc positions?
23:16:12 <b_jonas> Yes. And if we set a PHP captcha, we'd get spam from people advertising web hosting and mass mailers.
23:16:37 <Deraj> Or maybe... defeating the Brainfuck captcha was an inside job...
23:17:08 <b_jonas> wasn't it brainfuck that the casinos use?
23:17:18 <HackEso> kspalaiologos is a brainfuck addict. He's secretly disassembling brainfuck code for a casino that lost the source code. Apparently knows the secret of Malbolge.
23:17:31 <fizzie> alexa.com's site analysis on esolangs.org says that our top search keywords are "brainfuck", "aaaaaaaaaaaaaa", "malbolge" and "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa".
23:17:46 <fizzie> Two of them are unsurprising, but I'm not sure what all the a's are about.
23:18:12 <b_jonas> https://esolangs.org/wiki/AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
23:18:33 <fizzie> I guess. Not sure if people are actually looking for that though.
23:18:55 <fizzie> Apparently our wiki captures 6.25% of all "brainfuck" searches. Well, that's not too shabby.
23:19:00 <b_jonas> fizzie: sure, but even google can't always guess what they're looking for when they type aaaaaaaaaaaa
23:19:19 <Deraj> Are you sure you got the correct number of a's?
23:19:40 <fizzie> Also apparently our primary competitors are inform7.com, copy.sh, progopedia.com and muppetlabs.com.
23:20:12 <b_jonas> fizzie: competitors for brainfuck specifically, or in general?
23:20:45 <int-e> b_jonas: I'd guess in general
23:22:52 <fizzie> I don't quite understand these metrics.
23:23:09 <fizzie> We get 72.2% of "search traffic", compared to our competitors average of 6.5%.
23:23:27 <fizzie> "The percentage of organic search referrals to this site"
23:23:54 <b_jonas> hmm, then we should feature organic esolangs to cater to our audience
23:24:10 <fizzie> They recommend we should add keywords for "sql", "is sql a programming language" and "windows 98", these are "keywords driving traffic to competitors but not this site".
23:24:45 <fizzie> And we should improve our existing content on "mmmm", "collatz" and "chicken tendies", which are already driving some traffic but could do more.
23:24:47 <b_jonas> is Homespring organic? how about The Waterfall Model?
23:24:56 <fizzie> I don't think this is a super-useful analysis for us.
23:25:11 <fizzie> But the key point I came here to look for is, our global rank is #400,358.
23:25:59 <arseniiv> b_jonas: my ones are 100,00000001048% organic
23:26:37 <b_jonas> arseniiv: because they're tree-based and trees are organic?
23:26:41 <arseniiv> (don’t ask about that 0,00000001048% overshoot, I don’t know what causes it)
23:27:25 <b_jonas> MIX is polyunsaturated, I think it's too old to have bought into the organic fad
23:27:31 <arseniiv> but not all of them are tree-based. Though terms are trees, naturally, and one of them uses a kind of terms
23:27:55 <b_jonas> does Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon use organic shampoo?
23:30:15 <arseniiv> it’s quite a joke that much of organic chemistry technology products are not organic in this sense
23:30:50 <arseniiv> like, even something as simple as acetone
23:31:30 <arseniiv> or, as I like to call it in private, propan-2-one
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