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03:18:22 <zzo38> Now I implemented the "setsheet" command in TeXnicard, which needs an array of up to sixteen sheet names. (Sheet names are separate from page names.) Hopefully sixteen sheets per card should be sufficient!
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09:33:32 <b_jonas> fungot, where do I buy baby weight scales conforming to the 2019 redefinition of the kilogram?
09:33:32 <fungot> b_jonas: advice for me? :d hehe. yea. right)
09:37:52 <b_jonas> fungot, how do you pronounce "complacent"?
09:37:52 <fungot> b_jonas: yep also didn't like hw much, well doing electronics to be exact.
10:14:24 <int-e> Hmm there's "complaisant" as well, didn't know that.
10:18:07 <b_jonas> int-e: that sounds like someone tried to spell "complacent" in french
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11:22:09 <b_jonas> fungot, what does the english verb "discress" mean?
11:22:09 <fungot> b_jonas: luxy like, *now*, for example
11:23:44 <int-e> b_jonas: No, they just borrowed the word from french, and it ended up with two homophones that have slightly different meanings.
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16:05:06 <b_jonas> fungot: ok, so what's your quote for the immortality serum with the lifetime warranty, adult size?
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16:47:43 <fungot> arseniiv_: if you think she is lacking in my idea, really; it's just an example of how to implement v and started writing them down
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16:48:15 <arseniiv> hm fungot knows about the v language
16:48:15 <fungot> arseniiv: reading nested stuff is a pain
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16:54:27 <b_jonas> fungot: what's your quote for the immortality serum with the lifetime warranty, adult size?
16:54:27 <fungot> b_jonas: does it generate? i'm not talking about programmers that are beginners in scheme.
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16:54:50 <ais523-> the hyphen is half an underscore
16:57:04 <ais523-> (I add extra underscores to my name to indicate how insane the method via which I'm connecting to IRC is)
16:57:24 <b_jonas> I was thinking more of ↽ which is half of ←
16:58:02 <ais523-> on the subject of the "growing" alternative waterfall model, it doesn't act much like The Waterfall Model at all, I suspect it may be TC via some other mechanism but it's going to be hard to prove
16:58:16 <b_jonas> oh, I use nc_jonas as my nick when I connect using (rlwrap netcat chat.freenode.net 6667 | cat -v) except that I don't because I most often do that to renew the last seen time of alternate nicks that I own
16:58:21 <ais523-> the way to think about it is that the zeroing triggers are delayed for a while, then all run at once
16:58:53 <ais523-> b_jonas: that's ais523|telnet (or ais523|nc) when I do it, and merits less than half an underscore
16:59:21 <ais523-> really, the issue with the underscore scale is that ais523_ is actually fairly restricted, there should have been more scales with fewer underscores than that
17:00:21 <b_jonas> I don't recall what exact program I used to connect from the rescue system of debian install images
17:00:38 <ais523-> b_jonas: that is very very close to my current half-underscore setup, as it happens
17:00:47 <MTGBusyBeaver> you think it is actually TC? Interesting. I'm having a hard time seeing how it could behave nicely.
17:01:18 <ais523-> as a general rule, if you can't easily prove something sub-TC, and don't notice a restriction that seems insurmountable, it usually is TC
17:02:10 <MTGBusyBeaver> if it is, that opens up a lot more waterclocks (249-c where c is some small constant like 3)
17:04:24 <b_jonas> I don't think the difference between 120 and 240 clocks matters, if your limit on the matrix values isn't small
17:04:26 <zzo38> I add the underscores when the server is unaware that the connection with the name "zzo38" is lost.
17:04:37 <MTGBusyBeaver> also there was a question about how these implementations handle the case when two waterclocks zero at the same time. Both of their rules get run before the next decrements.
17:07:32 <ais523-> that's OK, any deterministic resolution will be OK for this
17:07:43 <ais523-> because you can write programs to never need to do that
17:08:03 <ais523-> obviously it has to be deterministic so that you can't create a loop where a player controls the number of iterations
17:08:47 <MTGBusyBeaver> yeah, exactly. Thats why we are using Coat of Arms as the way to boost toughness
17:09:03 <HackEso> Coat of Arms \ 5 \ Artifact \ Each creature gets +1/+1 for each other creature on the battlefield that shares at least one creature type with it. (For example, if two Goblin Warriors and a Goblin Shaman are on the battlefield, each gets +2/+2.) \ EX-R, 7E-R, 8ED-R, 9ED-R, 10E-R, M10-R, DDS-R, H09-R
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17:36:32 <b_jonas> well, google says "Your search - immortality serum lifetime warranty - did not match any shopping results."
17:37:02 <b_jonas> it also says "Suggestions: Make sure that all words are spelled correctly." which is a bit ridiculous because google knows perfectly well how to fix misspelled words
18:06:06 <zzo38> Someone told me that Google Groups has stopped carrying Usenet groups, but this morning I downloaded six articles and four were from Google Groups. Do you know anything about this? Maybe it is just new ones they have stopped adding? I don't know?
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21:49:29 <esowiki> [[2C]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70223&oldid=66753 * Ais523 non-admin * (+0) /* Limited alphabet */ fix proof
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23:05:11 <zzo38> I made up a "separations output format", which is meant for use when a program outputs raster data for printing with an arbitrary set of separations, and to be not too complicated to read and write, but allows metadata to be specified if needed.
23:08:38 <ais523-> I don't think I've ever written a program that needs to do that
23:08:50 <ais523-> but its probably good to have a defined format if you're writing a program that does
23:15:23 <b_jonas> zzo38: doesn't ImageMagick 7's format already allow an arbitrary number of color channels?
23:15:41 <b_jonas> although sometimes you want 8-bit rgb channels and 16-bit depth
23:17:00 <b_jonas> I just use multiple images for that sort of thing though
23:18:58 <zzo38> Maybe it does, although I think that has a somewhat different use that what I did.
23:20:29 <zzo38> Here is the current version of the document: http://sprunge.us/3VkU32 I can change it if you have suggestions to change it, though (maybe).
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23:33:45 <Hooloovo0> I think I don't understand what "raster" and "separations" mean
23:34:26 <int-e> raster ~ a grid of pixels
23:34:45 <int-e> I imagine separations are for color channels? I haven't looked.
23:35:25 <Hooloovo0> yes, I know what both of those words mean, but not in context
23:38:39 <zzo38> Yes, mainly, although separations are generally used for printing, and not for display on screen.
23:54:30 <zzo38> Printing separations is normally CMYK, although sometimes additional separations are used. (e.g. Magic: the Gathering cards are printed with two additional separations; one for the "underprinting layer" on shiny cards, and one for the text (which is still black, but I read somewhere that it is a separate black layer than the black layer for the art))