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00:21:19 <kmc> zzo38: interesting, do you know why they use a separate black layer?
00:22:02 <b_jonas> kmc: they do that for most color printing, different ink for the black in the full color parts and in the black and white parts
00:22:22 <b_jonas> kmc: even most home printers have separate black inks for them, except for some very cheap ones
00:23:05 <b_jonas> it's nothing specific for M:tG
00:23:12 <int-e> . o O ( Which are probably very expensive in the long run, and have awful looking text. )
00:23:14 <b_jonas> mind you, M:tG does use other special printing technology
00:23:51 <b_jonas> including I think printing the back in a different way than the front, to keep the back hard to distinguish between different sets while the front can become nicer
00:23:52 <int-e> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spot_color also comes up
00:24:38 <int-e> (Generally. I don't quite understand why M:tG comes up here... nerds!)
00:25:24 <b_jonas> int-e: why does category theory come up here? nerds
00:26:05 <int-e> b_jonas: I know, right?
00:26:55 <int-e> But I honestly didn't expect people to care about how M:tG cards are *printed*.
00:26:58 <b_jonas> and SAT solvers and comparison of different proof systems
00:27:24 <b_jonas> int-e: I do care about that sort of thing, typography looking nice
00:27:32 <int-e> b_jonas: Obviously I'm embracing that label myself.
00:27:57 <b_jonas> like Knuth says, "I can't eat in a restaurant because I only see what font is used on the menu."
00:28:22 <int-e> (why did I put a second 'm' in there)
00:28:26 <HackEso> #esoteric bitmap fonts include: \oren\'s font http://www.orenwatson.be/fontdemo.htm , lifthrasiir's font https://github.com/lifthrasiir/unison/ , b_jonas's font http://www.math.bme.hu/~ambrus/pu/fecupboard20-c.pcf.gz , fizzie's font https://github.com/fis/rfk86/tree/master/web/font , FireFly's fonts http://xen.firefly.nu/up/fonts/
00:28:29 <b_jonas> ^ this one is characteristic of the channel
00:29:06 <b_jonas> I should add more characters to mine some day
00:29:22 <int-e> b_jonas: Anyway, I apologize if you felt insulted.
00:34:55 <MTGBusyBeaver> Wouldn't the text be on a different layer than the art/frame due to translations?
00:35:20 <kmc> that's what i was wondering
00:36:24 <int-e> Makes sense to me.
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00:40:23 <b_jonas> MTGBusyBeaver: that doesn't mean they have to print it in different layers
00:40:48 <b_jonas> those are layers for editing
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01:57:40 <shachaf> Why is writing state machines/iterators for traversing recursive structures and so on so hard?
02:02:48 <shachaf> What language features can help with it? Some form of coroutine, I suppose, but if you want something that operates in fixed space it seems pretty tricky.
02:21:09 <zzo38> kmc: I don't know why Magic: the Gathering has a special black layer for text than for art. But this is what I have read; that there are two black layers.
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