00:23:25 <fizzie> $HACKENV is just /hackenv, FWIW.
00:23:52 <fizzie> In scripts it is useful, but in interactive command lines less so, except maybe it's easier to remember one.
00:45:10 -!- voidio has changed nick to iovoid.
00:52:12 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds).
01:03:21 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”).
01:07:47 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds).
01:10:51 -!- zzo38 has joined.
01:11:10 <zzo38> There was a short power outage.
01:30:20 -!- zzo38 has quit (Disconnected by services).
01:30:23 -!- xelxebar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
01:31:21 -!- zzo38 has joined.
01:31:32 <zzo38> Why sometimes stopped cursor blinking?
01:31:42 -!- xelxebar has joined.
01:33:27 <int-e> . o O ( I imagine a power outage would stop the cursor from blinking )
01:34:22 <zzo38> No, it just stopped blinking in the IRC window (which is a xterm window); the cursor blinking works in my other xterm windows.
01:36:44 <zzo38> O, it is working now.
01:39:39 <int-e> I don't think the cursor is blinking in inactive windows.
01:40:45 <zzo38> The window wasn't inactive.
01:41:24 <int-e> eww. https://vt100.net/docs/vt510-rm/DECSCUSR
01:42:39 <zzo38> I know about that, but as far as I know I didn't use that.
01:42:49 <int-e> Though I never really realized that some programs toggle the behavior (e.g., emacs).
01:43:17 <int-e> Tbf I hardly ever use emacs in a terminal anyway.
01:57:35 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity).
02:02:26 -!- xelxebar has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
02:04:46 -!- xelxebar has joined.
02:12:33 <zzo38> I have a book with acrostic enigma puzzles.
02:32:36 <zzo38> A county in Cambria's land / (Unaccompanied here) we demand.
02:56:08 -!- tromp_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
02:56:43 -!- tromp has joined.
03:00:30 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds).
03:00:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined.
03:06:34 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
05:10:18 -!- zzo38 has joined.
05:16:33 -!- MDude has quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)).
05:40:01 <zzo38> Hopefully those who have a amateur radio station set up at their home can still transmit and receive ARRL radiogram messages even without people physically traveling anywhere.
05:42:25 <zzo38> (Although some things of it will be difficult without people physically traveling anywhere.)
05:52:39 <kmc> I have an amateur radio station set up at my home!
05:52:48 <kmc> I have never transmitted or received an ARRL radiogram, though
05:56:33 <zzo38> Will you be able to do it if I ask you to do so in future? (I don't need it now, though.) I can format the message myself, although some things you will have to fill in by yourself such as the message number and the station name.
06:10:48 <kmc> I'll have to brush up on the procedures, but yes
06:19:02 -!- xelxebar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
06:22:12 -!- xelxebar has joined.
06:57:03 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds).
07:18:01 -!- xelxebar has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
07:19:22 -!- xelxebar has joined.
07:34:53 <int-e> . o O ( Boris Johnson wants to recruit retired medical personnel in the covid-19 crisis. Remind me, which people were the ones most at risk of severe illness when contracting the virus? )
07:40:25 <int-e> It may be the best option at this point. It's just very hard not to be cynical about all this. The covid-19 pandemic is the biggest socioeconomic experiment ever. Mistakes will be made (and different countries are making different mistakes.) Hopefully we will learn from them for the future.
08:05:10 <int-e> GRRRRRR. Google and its stupid war on so-called "less secure apps".
08:15:57 <int-e> Apparently I don't send enough emails from my gmail account and Google decides it's "unused" and resets that option.
08:16:40 <int-e> This is almost as silly as Windows telling me there are unused icons on my desktop... when I boot into it after a month. (Though I think I've disabled that now.)
08:17:18 <int-e> The Windows thing is less aggravating though because I can simply ignore the fact rather than jumping through hoops to resend the email.
08:28:45 <int-e> Also why Google doesn't allow application-specific passwords without 2FA I'll never understand.
08:30:14 <int-e> I feel I've complained about this at length before.
08:32:46 -!- longname has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
08:36:16 -!- longname has joined.
09:09:40 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined.
09:09:42 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds).
09:10:59 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life.
09:24:35 -!- LKoen has joined.
09:51:26 -!- diverger has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
09:53:02 -!- diverger has joined.
10:04:16 <fizzie> int-e: I don't know about "at length", but you have complained about it, and I don't understand it either. Also, I don't understand why "app-specific passwords" aren't actually use-specific, in the sense that you could specify what specifically they can be used for.
10:04:34 <fizzie> Well, I guess I do understand it, it'd be pretty complicated from the user perspective.
10:05:25 -!- sebbu2 has joined.
10:05:52 <fizzie> But it would still be nice that I could, I don't know, pick which OAuth2 scopes those passwords are valid for.
10:09:01 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds).
10:11:10 -!- vivax has joined.
10:13:04 <fizzie> Speaking about 2FA, I got 4 security keys for the price of 2 thanks to... well, some link in the chain of postal delivery. The original letter hadn't arrived in a month, so they shipped a new one (took ~3 days to arrive), and then a few weeks later the original one arrived after all, and they didn't want those back.
10:46:34 -!- vivax has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.7.1).
12:16:12 -!- xkapastel has joined.
12:52:59 -!- LKoen has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
12:59:10 -!- arseniiv has joined.
13:07:26 -!- diverger has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - https://znc.in).
13:09:47 -!- diverger has joined.
13:54:07 -!- LKoen has joined.
14:04:34 -!- kspalaiologos has joined.
14:32:02 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu.
17:05:41 -!- xkapastel has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity).
17:48:21 <zzo38> I may be playing GURPS over the internet sometime next week. I thought to make a recording by using a command like "ts | tee | nc | ts | tee"; do you expect this to be good? (The two resulting files can them be combined and interleaved to produce the proper transcript; that is why "ts" is used.)
17:49:55 <zzo38> (The otherthing I have used the "ts" command for is to time parts of programs that produce diagnostic output to indicate what it is doing.)
17:50:59 <zzo38> (Note that there are no other players; if there were, then this wouldn't work, and I would need to use IRC instead.)
17:57:41 <fizzie> If you've tested that there's no issues with programs switching to fully buffered from line buffered, that sounds pretty reasonable. You'll probably want a ts format that uses %.S if you intend to automatically interleave it by sorting.
18:01:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined.
18:01:28 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
18:14:59 <zzo38> Yes, actually I used the format %.s< and %.s> although I think the buffering works OK with the programs I listed there; do you have any belief that it isn't?
18:16:27 <fizzie> Not a specific belief, no, it's just often an issue. Sometimes "stdbuf -oL" fixes those. But like you say, with that set of programs it might be working fine anyway.
18:19:59 -!- xkapastel has joined.
18:34:10 <int-e> tfw... zooming in the browser does not have any effect because the CSS uses a font size that's propotional to the viewport size
18:34:30 <zzo38> I don't like CSS viewport units; can they be disabled?
18:36:16 <int-e> I don't know. I've just realized I can use the responsive design mode to avoid having to resize the complete window
18:37:39 <zzo38> (CSS viewport units, and anything else based on the height of the viewport, should only have an effect in "paged screen" media mode, not in the default "continuous screen" media mode.)
18:40:00 <int-e> I think they usually use the viewport width for reference.
18:40:12 <int-e> I kind of get it, but breaking zoom is a very nasty side effect.
18:41:56 <zzo38> Viewport width is probably useful for some things, but not for font sizes or anything else that uses vertical distances. Furthermore, there ought to be a virtual viewport mode that the user can control.
18:43:24 <int-e> that's what the responsive design mode is
18:43:55 <int-e> of course it's touted as a web developer feature
18:44:45 -!- imode has joined.
18:51:16 <zzo38> I also thought that the user should have the setting of which interaction mode to use (document or application), as well as which view mode to use (normal, presentation, ARIA, preview, source); the view mode also affects the interaction though.
18:54:22 <zzo38> (Application mode is rather worthless if document scripting is disabled, although it would still be allowed.)
18:55:01 <zzo38> What would you think of that?
19:11:10 -!- atslash has quit (Quit: Leaving).
19:30:04 -!- shikhin_ has joined.
19:31:31 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds).
19:31:31 -!- shikhin_ has changed nick to shikhin.
20:36:14 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70444&oldid=70345 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-15) /* Languages */
20:40:35 -!- kspalaiologos has quit (Quit: Leaving).
20:48:17 <esowiki> [[MyScript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70445&oldid=70262 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-31) /* While */
20:58:43 -!- xelxebar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
21:07:40 <esowiki> [[MyScript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70446&oldid=70445 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+305) /* Datatypes */
21:09:19 <esowiki> [[MyScript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70447&oldid=70446 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-4) /* User-Defined Functions */ quote fix
21:09:58 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has joined.
21:10:14 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
21:11:21 -!- Lord_of_Life_ has changed nick to Lord_of_Life.
21:12:49 <esowiki> [[MyScript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=70448&oldid=70447 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+113) /* Variables */
21:38:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined.
23:09:48 -!- Deewiant_ has changed nick to Deewiant.
23:40:11 -!- wlp1s1 has changed nick to iczero.