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00:36:07 <ais523> orbitaldecay: ^ in Underload is basically an eval operation
00:36:14 <ais523> it takes the top stack element and runs it as though it were a program
00:37:21 <ais523> the only way to do a loop in Underload is to use a chain of ^s to do recursion
00:37:35 <b_jonas> yeah, but orbitaldecay mentioned "Overload", not "Underload". I don't know what the former is, but I know that there are other ^ operators than the underload ones.
00:38:32 <b_jonas> `! underload ((loop )S:^):^
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00:41:11 <ais523> b_jonas: I assume it was just a mistake
00:41:16 <ais523> Overload was a language that I never finished designing
00:41:19 <ais523> Underload is a subset of it
00:41:40 <ais523> many of the operations in Overload would look /really/ out of place in an Underload-alike, e.g. it had pointers, and goto commands
00:42:07 <ais523> but it was in a very unfinished state and I never wrote my ideas down
00:42:25 <ais523> (it wouldn't really have worked as a language, I don't think; Underload was how I salvaged it into something useful)
00:43:26 <b_jonas> ais523: yes, I inveted Consumer Society by trying to think of a slightly larger language, then realized how you need very few rules to get something easy to remember and elegant.
00:46:34 <zzo38> I have a document of how Lore Seeker makes up random booster packs for official and unofficial sets of Magic: the Gathering cards, which are many different ways depending on which set, including "naive algorithm", "taw's algorithm" (which replaces five of the common slots with color locked slots), "Reuben's algorithm", and a few others.
00:47:37 <zzo38> What Lore Seeker calls "naive algorithm" can be implemented in TeXnicard as: create view deck_draft(cards,count,options) as select make_deck(id),1,0x0 from cards where rarity = 'B' union all select make_deck(id),10,0x0001 from cards where rarity = 'C' union all select make_deck(id),3,0x0001 from cards where rarity = 'U' union all select make_deck(id,'w',case when rarity = 'R' then 2 else 1 end),1,0 from cards where rarity in ('R','M')
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00:56:41 <zzo38> What card games need algorithms which cannot be represented in this way?
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02:17:15 <Train> zzo38, do you have any ideas for what I should make next in trainCode? I'm taking a break from the minsky machine.
02:19:59 <zzo38> Train: I don't know; sorry
02:23:59 <imode> forth "grammar" is pretty complex. almost impossible to verify properly that you'll use something in a way that's intended. if you design a linguistic feature and users don't use it correctly, it's nearly impossible to determine why unless it's something obvious.
02:27:37 <Train> Have any of you guys ever tried your hand at artificial life?
02:29:59 <Train> They have evolved the ability to spontaneously regenerate on a molecular level. Any suggestions on how I could stop this?
02:30:23 <imode> I mean. what're you authoring your simulation in.
02:30:52 <imode> artificial life usually implies that you've got a simulator for your "organisms" to live in.
02:31:36 <imode> okay... so what's it written in. how are you defining the rules for the components of your organism to behave.
02:31:41 <Train> It's made in processing, and since this is the most technical internet forum I've found so far, I'm wondering if you guys can help me.
02:32:15 <Train> It's not online yet.
02:32:24 <imode> uh-huh. got a paste that of code?
02:33:50 <Train> but here's the basics:
02:33:56 <Train> there are n types of particle
02:34:23 <Train> each type of particle is either attracted, repulsed or neutral towards other particles, and this is inverse-squarely proportional to distance
02:35:57 <imode> congratz, you've invented an n-body sim.
02:36:59 <Train> And I created about 125 of each type. and ran it.
02:38:16 <Train> they form stable clusters rapidly
02:41:53 <Train> to the point where I can't destroy them
03:04:09 <Train> How can I change it so they don't do this.
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04:36:16 <Train> Ah, zzo38! Are you always online?
04:36:35 <zzo38> Usually. Not quite always.
04:37:35 <Train> It's very peculiar. Every time that I log on, you are online. Are you semi-afk on irc, and doing something else, or do you just sit here, waiting for people so you can catch them as soon as they enter?
04:38:22 <zzo38> I do many other things too.
04:38:35 <shachaf> Train: Every time you log on, you're also online.
04:38:35 <zzo38> I was working on TeXnicard, for example.
04:38:46 <shachaf> So I don't know why you find it surprising that someone else is.
04:41:13 <Train> shachaf, let the probability of me being online at any given time be x, a value between 0 and 1 and the probability of zzo38 being online be y, a value between 0 and 1. When I log on, zzo38 has always been online, indicating a very high value of y regardless of the value of x (which is anyway fairly low). This y-value is almost 1 and as such I am
04:41:13 <Train> surprised at such a high value. Are you not?
04:41:40 <shachaf> I don't know, should I expect them to be independent?
04:42:19 <Train> from esolangs.org/logs, I find that there is a correlation of ~0.3
04:42:45 <Train> It's not enormous, so they are mostly independent, and the high y-value makes the correlation higher.
04:42:58 <Train> Why are we discussing this?
04:43:02 <shachaf> It sounds like you already know the answer to "Are you always online?".
04:43:52 <Train> No, I checked it after zzo38 said he was generally online most of the time. A quick check of https://esolangs.org/logs/2020-04.html and https://esolangs.org/logs/2020-05.html is all that I needed to obtain my values.
04:44:46 <zzo38> What time zone are you in?
04:48:20 <Train> A long way from anywhere.
04:54:58 <Train> No, I'm joking. I don't work for the US air force, and I won't give my location away to random internet strangers.
04:55:31 <Train> And I'm also at least 8560 miles away from anywhere that uses GMT+12.
04:56:09 <Train> That is a terrifying smiley.
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05:28:56 <imode> train must be young.
05:29:49 <zzo38> OK, but what makes you believe that, though?
05:32:13 <imode> just seems like it. was young once.
05:34:15 <pikhq> Youth is such a distinctive thing.
05:36:33 * pikhq finds the days of hiding physical location online so weird now
05:53:58 <imode> large-scale social media has encouraged individuals to share data in an attempt at forming a personal connection, as if opening your actual, personal self in the form of datapoints about your real life will help make connections. it's a ploy to get your data and market to you. you can form a connection with another human without ever knowing anything about their real-life endeavors.
05:54:29 <imode> in fact, it's probably better. you learn how to accept people for who they are despite "who" they are.
05:54:53 <zzo38> Also, lie if you want to.
05:55:01 <shachaf> Please get my data and market to me!
05:55:03 <imode> yeah. but that's your freedom.
05:55:12 <imode> shachaf: marketing to you would be a herculian effort.
05:55:36 <imode> I have no idea what you like!
05:55:51 <shachaf> Well, that's your job to decide as a marketer.
05:56:01 <imode> woah woah, I never signed up for that. :P
05:56:30 <imode> 200 advertisements for meow mix, got it.
05:57:02 <shachaf> OK, don't blame me for your terrible marketing skills.
06:00:18 <pikhq> shachaf's preferences are a little easier to discern irl
06:00:32 <pikhq> ... not easy at all, i've got like one or two additional things to add in there, but hey
06:11:29 <zzo38> One question of the hacker test says if you own a flowchart template. I actually do have a flowchart template from IBM.
06:12:54 <shachaf> whoa, what can you market to me?
06:13:19 <zzo38> I am not a marketer.
06:23:15 <pikhq> shachaf: i'm pretty sure it's scows
06:24:30 <pikhq> good sir or madam, would you like to buy a scow?
06:25:11 <shachaf> It all depends on the price.
06:26:23 <shachaf> Hmm, I'd like to buy software that isn't terrible.
06:26:28 <shachaf> I guess I'd pay a lot for that.
06:27:22 <pikhq> afraid the best i can do is random cute things
06:27:40 <shachaf> What's the deal with people writing interfaces like make_foo().with_thing(true).with_other_thing(5).all_done_now()?
06:27:47 <pikhq> not quite as good as software that isn't terrible, but can make you feel better about the software that is terrible
06:28:38 <pikhq> If you put newlines before the dots it ends up looking almost "clean"
06:28:43 <pikhq> if you ignore the nonsense of course
06:28:53 <shachaf> I guess this is popular in Java land. But I saw a Rust library that does it now, and I've seen it in other languages.
06:29:06 <shachaf> Just seems kind of silly. I guess it's fine.
06:29:19 <pikhq> The Java programmers don't just stay in Java land, I'm sad to report.
06:29:20 <shachaf> Fortunately C doesn't support this idiom.
06:29:36 <pikhq> C has its own downsides, of course.
06:30:10 <shachaf> But what are the better options?
06:30:13 <zzo38> The problem with C is the confusing type syntax. (Well, it is one of them.)
06:30:50 <pikhq> Hardly ever is any given language going to be strictly "better" than the other, imo
06:31:01 <pikhq> All language decisions come with tradeoffs.
06:31:25 <pikhq> It's a matter of which sacrifices you're willing to make for which benefits, really
06:31:25 <shachaf> OK, but what can I use in practice for a thing that I might use C for right now?
06:31:41 <pikhq> Best choices are C, C++, and Rust in that general space
06:31:44 <zzo38> Depend what you are making, I think.
06:32:02 <shachaf> Rust seems to be going way in the wrong direction.
06:33:06 <myname> why do you think rust is going in the wrong direction?
06:34:50 <zzo38> There are many good features of C that other programming languages don't do so well.
06:35:39 <myname> also, what's your suggestion to handle make_foo().with_thing(true).with_other_thing(5).all_done_now() better without sacrificing a reasonable type system
06:37:07 <pikhq> it's been all downhill since church
06:37:25 <myname> i see, you are a js dev
06:37:38 <pikhq> no, just a smartass
06:37:42 <pikhq> and professional yaml dev :/
06:37:53 <shachaf> Can I market some YAML to you?
06:38:21 <pikhq> I have > 1 lines of YAML already, it's far too many
06:38:21 <myname> shachaf: what's such a good c feature?
06:39:13 <myname> whenever i think of c, i fail to think of any positives
06:39:44 <shachaf> It is pretty simple and mostly corresponds to how computers work.
06:39:58 <shachaf> Not that it maximizes either one.
06:40:17 <myname> well, it's macro assembler, but i don't see that as an advantage
06:40:56 <myname> you don't need to write how computers work. that will more likely produce bad code if you aren't an expert
06:41:18 <shachaf> I only want to be able to write code that corresponds to how computers work.
06:41:25 <shachaf> But most languages won't let you do that.
06:41:37 <shachaf> There are certainly features that would improve C.
06:42:06 <myname> write assembly, then. modern c compilers do stuff you would never imagine while writing your c code
06:43:16 <zzo38> C does have many good features, such as pointer arithmetic, setjmp/longjmp, macros, etc. But many things it doesn't do so well that assembly language is doing much better.
06:44:01 <myname> you can do that in rust, too, if you really wanted to. there's just virtually no reason to do so
06:44:57 <shachaf> Say you want to write a program that doesn't use malloc but has other allocation strategies. Doesn't Rust fight you all the time?
06:45:13 <myname> rust tries to remove as many errors as possible during compile time. big fan of that approach
06:45:55 <myname> what do you mean by that? you could easily write your own allocator and use that
06:46:09 <myname> in fact, the api is way easier to handle than that of c
06:46:15 <dnm> Since I'm idling in #esoteric, I think I mostly want to echo imode.
06:46:32 <myname> like, dealloc will get a pointer and the amount of memory to free
06:46:40 <myname> no need to keep track of sizes of data
06:46:49 <dnm> I don't know if Forth even counts as esoteric, actually. But of those recently mentioned...
06:47:23 <shachaf> Well, if you use arena allocation, you don't even need to call dealloc. But Rust is all about destructors and RAII and things like that, I think?
06:48:45 <myname> in safe code, it is, yeah. how's that a problem?
06:49:16 <dnm> shachaf: Consider Ada?
06:49:16 <shachaf> I mean, the things I'm talking about aren't even the real problem.
06:49:37 <pikhq> I will not solve these problems for you.
06:49:44 <pikhq> I'm sorry, I'm a busy girl.
06:50:00 <dnm> shachaf: Not a real one?
06:50:19 <shachaf> Maybe for specialized things.
06:50:39 <dnm> shachaf: I guess I missed what the scenario is/constraints are
06:51:25 <dnm> Oh wait. Was it this? <shachaf> I only want to be able to write code that corresponds to how computers work.
06:51:45 <pikhq> Yeah, I definitely won't be helpful for that.
06:52:10 <shachaf> I'm pretty sure dnm was suggesting Ada Lovelace.
06:52:25 <dnm> I mean, I could take a lot of issue with the idea that C is how computers work. But.
06:52:28 <shachaf> I'm confused about usage. Are you Ada Lovelace's namesake, or is she yours?
06:52:42 <shachaf> dnm: Well, I granted that!
06:52:51 <pikhq> I think she's my namesake.
06:53:13 <pikhq> Not a phrase that comes up much though
06:53:20 <dnm> shachaf: I was just saying Ada (as a language) could be considered re: <shachaf> Say you want to write a program that doesn't use malloc but has other allocation strategies. Doesn't Rust fight you all the time?
06:53:53 <pikhq> Huh, no, I'm her namesake apparently.
06:53:55 <shachaf> That's what I would have said, but then someone else was confused and now I'm confused.
06:54:01 <pikhq> English. Such a weird language.
06:54:03 <dnm> S'ok. Me too.
06:54:37 <dnm> imode: Speaking of Forth, you hacking anything in or adjacent to it?
06:54:38 <shachaf> The word "namesake" makes me think of the play Arcadia, where someone says "your illustrious namesake".
06:55:03 <pikhq> This is definitely more confusing than the mere namespace collision that is sharing a name with a programming language
06:55:23 <pikhq> Which is not very common, thankfully, so it usually doesn't matter
06:55:26 <shachaf> I guess Ada isn't directly mentioned in that play, though Byron is.
06:55:34 <shachaf> Maybe one character is based on her?
06:56:39 <shachaf> pikhq: Well, no one ever talks about Ada the programming language, whereas Lovelace is one of the only two people anyone ever names for "women in computing" for some reason.
06:57:01 <shachaf> So I imagine that collision happens a lot more.
06:57:27 <pikhq> It's a lovely name though.
06:58:48 <imode> dnm: yeah, I have a language called `mode` that's... kinda close to Forth?
06:59:18 <zzo38> I do sometimes use 6502 assembly language and Glulx assembly language, and sometimes write a program with more than one programming language, e.g. TeXnicard is written half in C, half in PostScript, and half in SQL.
06:59:21 <imode> it's pretty minimalist. the only single data structure you manipulate is a deque.
06:59:28 <imode> instead of two stacks.
06:59:39 <dnm> zzo38: I appreciate hand-written PostScript.
07:00:01 <shachaf> zzo38: How many total halves are in TeXnicard?
07:00:11 <dnm> imode: Neat. What'd you implement it in?
07:00:14 <shachaf> I would love for the answer to be two halves, using a complicated polyglot technique.
07:00:47 <imode> the concurrent version is implemented as a preprocessor that generates lists of C preprocessor tokens, which flatten out into C code.
07:01:18 <zzo38> dnm: Yes, that is all I use PostScript for. I think PostScript isn't very good as a protocol or a document storage format, but as a programming language it is not bad, especially for doing graphics.
07:01:20 <imode> the non-concurrent version does the same, only it actually flattens out into if/while statements.
07:01:44 <dnm> imode: URL?
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07:02:08 <zzo38> shachaf: TeXnicard is not made of "halves", I think.
07:02:56 <imode> dnm: https://git.imode.tech/?p=mode;a=tree;h=refs/heads/master;hb=refs/heads/master it's pretty old, but eh.
07:04:22 <imode> the preprocessor is a simple flattening macro system. you take a token, you see if it has a definition, and then you slap that definition in the middle of your program source.
07:04:27 <imode> rinse and repeat until reduced.
07:05:20 <imode> this version generates a list of function pointers to be executed.
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07:12:05 <dnm> imode: Cool! This looks pretty clean, too!
07:12:49 <imode> thanks! the only fundamental manipulation/shuffling ops are dup, drop, swap and last.
07:13:07 <imode> last moves something from the end of the queue to the head of the queue. all other operations, like dup, take items from the head and enqueue results to the tail.
07:13:40 <imode> so you can make your queue look like and behave like a stack if you want.
07:13:49 <zzo38> Also, in TeXnicard, PostScript codes can call SQL codes.
07:14:04 <imode> all other forth primitives (even `pick`!) can be implemented as compound macros.
07:17:02 <imode> this particular version includes concurrency. so you can spawn up lightweight processes and communicate synchronously between them. you can simulate functions by spinning up a process, sending it data, and then waiting for the result to be sent back.
07:18:44 <imode> haven't mapped 'em to threads yet.
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18:39:12 <rain1> http://r6.ca/blog/20190223T161625Z.html
18:44:41 <FireFly> rain1: "You don't have permission to access this resource."
18:48:44 <zzo38> I do not have a problem accessing it with Lynx.
18:50:30 <FireFly> I get a 403 Forbidden via both Firefox and curl
18:51:16 <zzo38> Try Lynx then, and see if that works. If that doesn't work either, try using a different proxy, maybe.
18:51:30 <FireFly> so I'm going to assume the server doesn't like me, rather than there being something weird with my request
18:52:06 <rain1> https://pastebin.com/J47FRwGx here is a copy of the page
18:52:18 <zzo38> FireFly: Yes, that would seem so, it look like to me
18:52:19 <FireFly> I'm using a residential connection from a Swedish ISP, not sure what'd be weird about that o.o
18:59:10 <zzo38> Is it because you set the language header to Swedish instead of English? Maybe they don't have a version of that document in Swedish.
18:59:39 <FireFly> I think I request english primarily, with swedish as a secondary choice
18:59:54 <FireFly> it'd be a pretty weird reason for a 403 to me, oh well
19:01:13 <zzo38> Yes, if your request says English, then that shouldn't be that problem, and even if you do specify only languages they don't have, presumably if there is an error code due to that at all, it should be 406 and not 403, I think.
19:06:30 <b_jonas> I also set all my browsers to request English. only on very few sites does that prove a problem. Most sites just ignore those headers anyway.
19:16:32 <zzo38> Do you like my "separations output format"? It is not currently implemented, but may be implemented in TeXnicard and possibly other programs too in future they might find it useful to implement this kind of file format.
19:17:08 <zzo38> It is meant as a simple raster format for printing.
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19:32:22 <zzo38> Although, maybe commands should be added to specify such things as rendering intent and so on (programs that do not understand these commands can ignore them).
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20:53:55 <b_jonas> fungot, you're got at remembering things. when does the patent on automatic squirrel feeders expire?
20:53:56 <fungot> b_jonas: i don't disagree with your point, but i think it tries to execute it
20:54:09 <b_jonas> execute the squirrels? oh, my!
20:54:25 <b_jonas> Taneb: fungot is shedding light on one of your nefarious plots
20:54:25 <fungot> b_jonas: got a test button working in awt... now on the rest
21:04:26 <fizzie> fungot: What are you working on there?
21:04:26 <fungot> fizzie: e.g. by using english i make it more verbose :) let me do
21:04:40 <fizzie> I guess I'll back off and leave you to it.
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22:30:24 <imode> back in the rut... why can nothing that's expressive and usable ever have a stupid simple implementation.
22:32:23 <zzo38> Did you consider Forth?
22:32:38 <imode> not that expressive, turns out.
22:32:54 <imode> plus the model gives people headaches.
22:33:11 <imode> I am called by the siren that is rewriting to investigate alternatives, never being satisfied with a single one.
22:39:22 <imode> https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1e8e/82cc742e832f6182f9415835894e35f670a4.pdf
22:39:43 <imode> neat concept, basing your control flow around l-systems.
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