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00:09:34 <esowiki> [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71773&oldid=71759 * Orby * (+119) /* More ideas in the Salpynx vein */
00:09:46 <esowiki> [[Talk:Picofuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71774&oldid=71773 * Orby * (+1) /* More ideas in the Salpynx vein */
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00:12:15 <orbitaldecay> man, I feel for the schizophrenic guy who hangs out in #osdev
00:12:34 <orbitaldecay> he just spouts psychotic nonsense about bitwise operations to no one
00:14:57 <int-e> . o O ( can you paste an example? )
00:17:22 <orbitaldecay> https://paste.forder.cc/caqosotezu.coffeescript
00:18:42 <orbitaldecay> he's been going on like this for 30 minutes to himself
00:19:53 <imode> oof.
00:20:06 <imode> probably a bot?
00:20:52 <orbitaldecay> no, it's an actual person. they were having a conversation with someone the other day who was egging them on. it was really sad.
00:21:23 <imode> that's impressive, because it fooled me.
00:21:34 <int-e> fungot: luckily we're all nice people and would never do that to you
00:21:34 <fungot> int-e: hm. i wonder if i'd have access through the ( other) uni as well. 5 phases/ passes. phase 5 being the target emitter. just add counters to sum the value 30 fnord e fnord
00:22:05 <int-e> imode: I thought it was a bit too coherent on the technical side to be a bot.
00:22:06 * pikhq pets fungot, her favorite fungot
00:22:06 <fungot> pikhq: a semi-normal assembly like language
00:22:14 <pikhq> :3
00:22:39 <int-e> then again what do I know about the state of the art in chat bots...
00:22:44 <int-e> (very little)
00:22:52 <int-e> (I still think fungot is impressive :P)
00:22:52 <fungot> int-e: it requires that the input string
00:23:07 <int-e> And fungot is not even context-aware.
00:23:07 <fungot> int-e: i've seen a lot of people who use the api, but that is very odd.
00:23:09 <orbitaldecay> well, if it is a chat bot it's doing a remarkable job of imitating a schizophrenic person on irc
00:23:19 <imode> fnord e fnord.
00:24:02 <pikhq> this does seem easier than imitating someone without
00:24:47 <imode> some day I'll probably get to that stage, if I'm not there already.
00:25:18 <pikhq> You have seemed coherent, at least
00:26:10 <orbitaldecay> it's like that chat bot that "passed the turing test" by pretending to be an 8 year old Ukrainian boy with limited command of english
00:26:27 <imode> if you lower your standards, everyone's coherent!
00:26:52 <int-e> if you lower your standards, everyone's coherent!
00:27:26 * pikhq shrugs
00:27:46 <int-e> > map length ["imode", "int-e", "pikhq", "eliza"]
00:27:49 <lambdabot> [5,5,5,5]
00:27:55 <imode> hahahahahahahaha.
00:28:00 <pikhq> :D
00:28:31 <imode> three disjoint personalities, one chatbot.
00:29:58 <pikhq> this would be a shocking way to find out about being plural or something
00:30:04 <pikhq> i think my wife would be shocked, too
00:30:11 <orbitaldecay> hahaha
00:32:25 <sebbu> "Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana."
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01:36:38 <esowiki> [[Padlock]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71778&oldid=71674 * RocketRace * (+5773) Document Padlock
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01:44:14 <esowiki> [[Padlock]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71781&oldid=71779 * RocketRace * (+204) Document alternate ASCII symbols
01:45:57 <esowiki> [[Padlock]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71782&oldid=71781 * RocketRace * (+10) Fix a typo
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03:59:38 <zzo38> Why does the average temperature of my computer seems to be increasing slowly over time? Now it says 34 Celsius; it used to be less. Is that due to dust, or weather, or etc? I also have a temperature with the room temperature; while opening the window cools the room, it doesn't seems to affect the computer so much.
04:09:42 <imode> ambient average temperature is not constant.
04:09:54 <imode> the thermodynamics of your room and home are in constant flux.
04:13:20 <pikhq> and even if there's a thermostat that tries to keep the room's temperature constant, that's a bang-bang controller with pretty slow responsiveness
04:13:40 <pikhq> (but it's fine because hardly anyone complains about small deviations in temperature throughout the day)
04:15:09 <kmc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4_6e5IaQXM
04:16:41 <pikhq> :)
04:17:58 <pikhq> exactly that, really
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04:36:47 <Sgeo__> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_BitMap
04:36:49 <Sgeo__> Why.
04:37:28 <Antebrationist> That's just straight up weird.
04:37:50 <pikhq> Because some old-school X apps legitimately _do_ use it to just #include some graphics.
04:38:06 <Antebrationist> Holy cow. That's weird.
04:46:23 <pikhq> The world is filled with some now-odd things because the problem constraints now do not even slightly match the problem constraints 30 years ago.
04:46:33 <Antebrationist> Agreed.
04:46:46 <Antebrationist> Debugging legacy code is insanely hard.
04:47:45 * pikhq cries in professional COBOL experience
04:47:53 <Antebrationist> ^
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04:55:06 <Antebrationist> I originally got into esolangs, because some guy at my company had decided to write one.
04:55:16 <Antebrationist> He wrote all our code in it.
04:55:23 <Antebrationist> Needless to say, he didn't like the bosses.
04:55:28 <pikhq> Oh dear, that is kinda rough.
04:55:44 <Antebrationist> Mhm.
04:55:45 <pikhq> I just got into it initially because I was a kinda outcast nerd in high school.
04:56:23 <pikhq> And doing stupid shit with computers was a nice escape from A) high school B) personal life shit
04:56:44 <Antebrationist> Yeah. That's what got me into programming.
04:57:43 * pikhq just really took to computers as a young girl; go figure
05:03:14 <Antebrationist> Here's a block of his code:
05:03:15 <Antebrationist> FkKmd0YUXh
05:03:34 <Antebrationist> It's a function for adding one to a hex number.
05:03:55 <Antebrationist> He left no documentation.
05:04:00 <imode> what language.
05:04:29 <Antebrationist> idk
05:04:50 <Antebrationist> I was just wondering if you recognised it from anywhere.
05:07:14 <pikhq> That is very odd to me. And like... Not useful at all.
05:07:32 <pikhq> Ew
05:08:15 <Antebrationist> All of the strings are the same length.
05:08:22 <imode> is that like a function name or..
05:08:40 <Antebrationist> It's the actual code.
05:09:03 <imode> that I doubt.
05:09:22 <imode> define "adding one to a hex number".
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05:09:34 <imode> guess I'm never getting my answer.
05:10:32 <pikhq> I'm gonna guess that similar to COBOL, "hex numbers" are a distinct data type within this madness.
05:11:08 <imode> "He wrote all our code in it." doesn't seem that believable. I can believe someone using Mouse.
05:11:21 <imode> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Mouse
05:11:44 <imode> but there's nothing contextual about that snippet of code. there are no distinct operations.
05:12:50 <imode> an esolang can look like garbage but there's still some form of interpretation, and if this was used for some actual application, I'd expect it to look like a fragment of K, J or an APL-like.
05:13:08 <imode> could understand if it's a method name. hungarian notation exists.
05:16:19 <int-e> it could be a language like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Microscript
05:17:05 <int-e> But there's no obvious structure (I think), so it's basically impossible to guess.
05:17:16 <imode> "all our code" implies that this was used for either lots of small scripts or large structures.
05:17:49 <imode> both of which I have a hard time believing.
05:18:03 <imode> neat lang tho, wasn't aware of it.
05:18:15 <int-e> alternatively, this could follow some obscure naming convention like the lapack function names :P
05:19:54 <int-e> @metar lowi
05:19:55 <lambdabot> LOWI 060450Z AUTO 10005KT 9999 BKN010 07/05 Q1020
05:19:57 <int-e> (brr)
05:20:07 <shachaf> @metar koak
05:20:08 <lambdabot> KOAK 060453Z 27018KT 10SM FEW008 SCT010 BKN200 16/11 A3018 RMK AO2 PK WND 26026/0400 SLP219 T01560111
05:20:13 <imode> @metar ksea
05:20:14 <lambdabot> KSEA 060453Z 23015G20KT 10SM SCT065 BKN100 15/09 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP181 OCNL LTGIC DSNT E T01500094
05:20:19 <imode> z o i n k s
05:20:23 <shachaf> 16? so cold
05:20:35 <shachaf> The weather has been pretty nice out.
05:20:35 <int-e> warmer than 7
05:20:42 <shachaf> Too bad I never go outside anymore.
05:20:55 <shachaf> Tomorrow it'll be 27° apparently.
05:21:01 <int-e> I have to brave it.
05:21:15 <shachaf> Uh oh.
05:21:51 <int-e> well I could wait a few hours
05:22:05 <imode> it's thundering right now.
05:22:21 <int-e> But I'm basically out of food, and also the hose in my shower broke so I should buy a replacement.
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05:22:59 <int-e> (And I'm kind of lucky that this didn't happen last month when only grocery stores were open.)
05:26:00 <shachaf> Man, you'd be hosed.
05:28:13 <j4cbo> @metar KMSO
05:28:13 <lambdabot> KMSO 060453Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR 11/00 A3010 RMK AO2 SLP195 T01110000
05:28:37 <j4cbo> severe VFR
05:43:56 <zzo38> I have written programs to read and write X bitmap format, as well as X pixmap format (xpm format 2 is not supported by any other program I have tried, but format 1 and 3 are more commonly supported)
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05:51:29 <zzo38> My program optionally allows the words "static" and/or "unsigned" at the beginning (although "const" currently isn't supported), and numbers can be written in octal, decimal, or hexadecimal.
05:53:06 <zzo38> Comments are also allowed.
06:08:11 <shachaf> Is the default octal, decimal, or hexadecimal?
06:08:26 <shachaf> I guess hexadecimal would be the most sensible default because it has the most digits.
06:09:32 <zzo38> I think it is hexadecimal default
06:11:42 <zzo38> The program I wrote for writing X bitmap format is hexadecimal only, and some programs I have tried assume the numbers are hexadecimal even if it isn't.
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06:19:42 <Antebrationist> Okay, more info on his code.
06:20:57 <Antebrationist> As requested. Hex numbers are a distinct data type, which he implemented as a String. Apparently, he made a program to compile stuff into it, so at least 8 lines of that was just method.
06:21:15 <Antebrationist> It's used for lots of small scripts.
06:21:26 <shachaf> `5 w
06:21:30 <HackEso> 1/3:firefly//FireFly was a short-running but well-loved sci-fi TV series released in 2003, starring Nathan Fillion and directed and written by Joss Whedon. It's also a room whose gimmick is that it gets darker as you kill the enemies. \ sex//Sex is a board game which originated in Britain in the 1870s before spreading throughout Europe in the 1890s. Sex was introduced to the rest of the world by a book, "The Complete Guide to Sex", written
06:21:39 <shachaf> `n
06:21:40 <HackEso> 2/3: and published in 1932, based on the author's extensive experience with a wide variety of forms of European sex. \ bfjoust//bfjoust is a spamming tool for #esoteric. \ tetris//Tetris is where Soviet Russia was invented. Taneb was not present although Triangle and Robert were. \ hppavilion//hppavilion is the generator including, but not limited to, hppavilion[1], hppavilion[2], and hppavilion[42]. hppavilion is of length 37-42i-28j+4k
06:21:47 <shachaf> `n
06:21:48 <HackEso> 3/3:-28ij+38ik+62jk+20ijk. A common alternative definition is the set of all items yielded by the general case of the generator. Not to be confused with hppavilion^k or hppavilion_m.
06:21:50 <Antebrationist> Adding 1 to a hex number: just incrementing it by 1.
06:22:03 <Antebrationist> shachaf, is HackEso a markov chain bot?
06:22:19 <shachaf> Who can say?
06:23:19 <zzo38> HackEso is a bot to run arbitrary programs. If there is a Markov program in there, then it will do that too, but that isn't what `5 w and `n do.
06:23:35 <Antebrationist> Okay. So what do they do?
06:23:42 <shachaf> `n could print the output of a Markov chain program.
06:25:22 <zzo38> Yes, but that isn't what it does; it just displays the contents of another file which the other program may add the output to.
06:25:31 <Antebrationist> Okay.
06:28:29 <zzo38> I can believe that he may have written some code using the programming language you mentioned, although I would not know much about it so do not know much without the context.
06:28:40 <int-e> okay that's the shower fixed
06:28:49 <Antebrationist> Not everything was in it.
06:28:55 <Antebrationist> Just small methods and whatnot.
06:29:13 <zzo38> Yes, it is what I would probably expect; not everything.
06:30:03 <Antebrationist> He was one of those people who splits everything into subroutines. Except that he would then write those subroutines in this abomination.
06:31:11 <Antebrationist> As I said earlier, he auto-generated function and method names, which makes a lot more sense.
06:33:01 <zzo38> OK
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06:34:29 <shachaf> Man.
06:34:41 <shachaf> What's a simple and neato algorithm thing I don't know about?
06:34:53 <zzo38> I don't know?
06:35:06 <Antebrationist> The doomsday algorithm by John Conway?
06:37:23 <shachaf> I didn't know it but I don't care about the Gregorian calendar very much.
06:38:08 <zzo38> Why you don't care about the Gregorian calendar very much?
06:38:16 <zzo38> Which system do you think is better?
06:38:34 <Antebrationist> I mean, the Shire calendar from LOTR is pretty good.
06:39:06 <zzo38> I like the solar hijri calendar.
06:39:36 <shachaf> It's only relevant for one planet out of trillions.
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06:40:27 <zzo38> Yes, although in a different planet I should think you would need a different calendar would be better.
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07:07:05 <Antebrationist> Could you explain in more detail how HackEso works?
07:09:47 <zzo38> It just runs programs; you can use ` followed by the name of a program in order to execute that program. The programs can be shell scripts or scripts in other programming languages, or compiled programs in C or whatever.
07:10:21 <Antebrationist> Is there a list of available programs?
07:11:39 <zzo38> You can also run any UNIX commands, by prefixing `` or ``` followed by a space and then the command (which can also be any of the programs that are installed).
07:11:53 <zzo38> There is also a Mercurial repository that you can see all of the files with.
07:12:01 <zzo38> Then you can know what is available.
07:12:11 <zzo38> Actually I think there is a article in esolang wiki about it.
07:12:25 <Antebrationist> So, something like ` ls would list all of the files?
07:13:11 <zzo38> ``` ls
07:13:12 <HackEso> asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ just \ karma \ le \ output.b \ paste \ program \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh
07:15:55 <zzo38> Why does <SPAN CLASS="m2"> appear a different colour in Lynx?
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08:04:11 <Antebrationist54> Hello.
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08:10:47 <Antebrationist54> Hello.
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12:29:08 <psdw> ``` ls
12:29:09 <HackEso> asmbf-1.2.7 \ banana.txt \ bfi \ compiled_brachylog.pl \ egel-master \ egel-scripts \ egel.zip \ just \ karma \ le \ output.b \ paste \ program \ spline \ spout \ test \ test.sh
12:29:35 <psdw> cat banana.txt
12:29:40 <psdw> ``` cat banana.txt
12:29:41 <HackEso> Bananas taste good and have potassium, but they bruise kinda easily. I still like to eat them though :)
12:29:50 <psdw> cat program
12:29:52 <psdw> ``` cat program
12:29:53 <HackEso> ​ELF............>.....H......@.......h..........@.8..@.. \ .......@.......@...............P.......P................................................................................................(......(........ ...................... .............(......(........ ................... .............p.......p...............Qtd.................................................../lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.1000............
12:30:01 <psdw> ``` cat test.sh
12:30:07 <HackEso> tar -xzf v1.1.1.tar.gz \ cd asmbf-1.1.1 \ make all install
12:30:24 <psdw> ``` cat output.b
12:30:26 <HackEso> ​+>+[<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]>>[-]++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<]<<<[>>+>+<<<-]>>[<<+>>-]>[[-]<<<[-]>[-]>>]<<]
12:30:49 <psdw> ``` bf output.b
12:30:50 <HackEso> ​.
12:30:55 <psdw> ``` brainf output.b
12:30:56 <HackEso> bash: brainf: command not found
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13:09:36 <orbitaldecay> morning all
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14:07:48 <orbitaldecay> hey rain1, how are you?
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14:27:23 <esowiki> [[Dig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71800&oldid=71789 * Emerald * (+706) Gave an idea of what this will be
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14:28:30 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71802&oldid=71794 * Orby * (+280)
14:33:15 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow/2001]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71803&oldid=71799 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+810) /* Computational class */
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14:34:12 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71805&oldid=71802 * Orby * (-85) Adding abbreviations for brevity
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14:36:24 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71808&oldid=71791 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+112) /* Languages */
14:40:54 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71809&oldid=71805 * Orby * (-9)
14:44:07 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71810&oldid=71809 * Orby * (-1) /* Trivial simple translation */
14:46:40 <esowiki> [[User:Emerald]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71811&oldid=71762 * Emerald * (+65) Made a Language list
14:47:04 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71812&oldid=71810 * Orby * (-33) little typos everywhere
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15:01:51 <esowiki> [[Dig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71816&oldid=71815 * Emerald * (+151)
15:03:20 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71817&oldid=71812 * Orby * (+163)
15:10:56 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71818&oldid=71817 * Orby * (+49)
15:12:14 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71819&oldid=71818 * Orby * (-9)
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15:21:43 <pikhq> Morning
15:22:14 <orbitaldecay> pikhq: morning!
15:22:23 <pikhq> :)
15:25:55 <esowiki> [[Dig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71821&oldid=71816 * Emerald * (+94) Added programs
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15:33:09 <esowiki> [[Dig]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71824&oldid=71823 * Emerald * (+4) fix
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15:44:00 <rain1> https://golem.ph.utexas.edu/category/2019/11/total_maps_of_turing_categorie.html
15:44:06 <rain1> > Turing categories get us closer to the nature of computation itself
15:44:08 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:47: error: parse error on input ‘of’
15:44:21 <rain1> what was the point of abstracting away if it gets us *closer*?
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16:09:44 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71828&oldid=71819 * Orby * (-2072) Reformulating
16:15:47 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71829&oldid=71828 * Orby * (+236) /* Examples */
16:18:19 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71830&oldid=71829 * Orby * (+13) /* Examples */
16:26:55 <esowiki> [[Talk:Generalized Assembler]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71831 * CMinusMinus * (+72) Created page with "I like, how the URL (broken) is http://zzo38computer.'''org/gasm'''.zip"
16:39:50 <imode> thue would be more usable if you had grouped replacements. allows you to manipulate multiple areas of the string relative to other parts of the string without having to send signals between those parts.
16:42:21 <imode> useful for things like string comparisons.
16:51:58 <b_jonas> imode: try sed for that, or Endo's DNA
16:52:23 <imode> Endo's DNA?
16:54:02 <imode> the idea of a mainstream language based on rewriting is interesting: extensions to that language are phrased no differently than any other replacement rule, just that you don't see the actual rule in your rule set. thue with arithmetic on certain formatted strings, for example.
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16:56:55 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71832&oldid=71830 * Orby * (-133)
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17:07:33 <esowiki> [[Welcome To...]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71835&oldid=71274 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+9)
17:08:00 <esowiki> [[User:PythonshellDebugwindow]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71836&oldid=71808 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+26) /* Languages */
17:11:10 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71837&oldid=71832 * Orby * (+12) Typos
17:12:08 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=71838 * CMinusMinus * (+139) Created page with "'''6969 Assembler''' (sometimes 6969 ASS-embler) is a assembler-like programming language made by [[User:CMinusMinus|CMinusMinus]] in 2020."
17:12:55 <esowiki> [[User:CMinusMinus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71839&oldid=68453 * CMinusMinus * (+22)
17:13:08 <esowiki> [[User:CMinusMinus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71840&oldid=71839 * CMinusMinus * (+19)
17:14:26 <esowiki> [[User:CMinusMinus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71841&oldid=71840 * CMinusMinus * (+14)
17:14:39 <esowiki> [[User:CMinusMinus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71842&oldid=71841 * CMinusMinus * (-17)
17:14:56 <esowiki> [[User:CMinusMinus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71843&oldid=71842 * CMinusMinus * (+43)
17:15:55 <esowiki> [[User:CMinusMinus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71844&oldid=71843 * CMinusMinus * (+4)
17:16:12 <esowiki> [[User:CMinusMinus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71845&oldid=71844 * CMinusMinus * (+0)
17:16:43 <esowiki> [[User:CMinusMinus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71846&oldid=71845 * CMinusMinus * (+7)
17:21:19 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71847&oldid=71837 * Orby * (-6) /* Definition */
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17:24:34 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71849&oldid=71848 * CMinusMinus * (+36)
17:25:43 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71850&oldid=71849 * CMinusMinus * (+21)
17:27:00 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71851&oldid=71850 * CMinusMinus * (+27)
17:27:06 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71852&oldid=71851 * CMinusMinus * (+1)
17:28:15 <Sgeo__> Are there any number systems that distinguish between 1/1 and 2/2? I want to see a number system that has 1/0 and 2/0 and -1/0 all being distinct infinities, and it seems like distinguishing different "1"s would help
17:28:28 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71853&oldid=71847 * Orby * (+295)
17:30:32 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71854&oldid=71852 * CMinusMinus * (+418)
17:31:20 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71855&oldid=71854 * CMinusMinus * (+15)
17:33:49 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71856&oldid=71807 * CMinusMinus * (+21)
17:35:55 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71857&oldid=71855 * CMinusMinus * (+143) /* MOV */
17:36:10 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71858&oldid=71857 * CMinusMinus * (+0) /* MOV */
17:38:29 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71859&oldid=71858 * CMinusMinus * (+228) /* Examples */
17:38:48 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71860&oldid=71859 * CMinusMinus * (+38) /* Examples */
17:39:31 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71861&oldid=71860 * CMinusMinus * (-12)
17:43:13 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71862&oldid=71861 * CMinusMinus * (+525)
17:45:12 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71863&oldid=71862 * CMinusMinus * (+94) /* Variables */
17:45:33 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71864&oldid=71863 * CMinusMinus * (+12) /* Raw variables */
17:46:04 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71865&oldid=71853 * Orby * (+117)
17:47:34 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71866&oldid=71864 * CMinusMinus * (+109) /* Defined variables */
17:48:35 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71867&oldid=71866 * CMinusMinus * (+98) /* Defined variables */
17:48:54 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71868&oldid=71867 * CMinusMinus * (+9) /* Raw variables */
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17:51:53 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71870&oldid=71869 * CMinusMinus * (-19) /* Defined variables */
17:52:00 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71871&oldid=71870 * CMinusMinus * (-9) /* Raw variables */
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17:55:53 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71873&oldid=71872 * CMinusMinus * (+0) /* Links */
17:55:59 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71874&oldid=71873 * CMinusMinus * (-2) /* Links */
17:57:30 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71875&oldid=71874 * CMinusMinus * (+52)
17:57:54 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71876&oldid=71875 * CMinusMinus * (+24)
17:58:11 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71877&oldid=71876 * CMinusMinus * (-23)
17:58:51 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71878&oldid=71877 * CMinusMinus * (+9) /* Raw variables */
17:59:30 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71879&oldid=71878 * CMinusMinus * (+77) /* Variables */
18:00:41 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71880&oldid=71865 * Orby * (+30) /* Examples */
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18:15:06 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71882&oldid=71881 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-1) /* Defined variables */
18:18:04 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71883&oldid=71882 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+90) /* Links */ cats
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18:26:30 <zzo38> Is this the correct way to compute standard deviation? select sqrt((count()*total(convmanacost*convmanacost)-total(convmanacost)*total(convmanacost))/(count()*(count()-1))) from cards;
18:27:42 <spruit11> Uh. SD = square root of the sum of the squared deviation from the average?
18:27:47 <spruit11> Something like that.
18:27:54 <spruit11> Google is my friend.
18:28:56 <spruit11> Missed one extra average but about right.
18:29:09 <spruit11> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation
18:29:57 <spruit11> https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/067067e579e43b39ca1e57d9be52bda5b80cd284
18:32:14 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71884&oldid=71880 * Orby * (+166) /* Simple English definition */
18:33:32 <esowiki> [[Simple translation]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71885&oldid=71884 * Orby * (+45) /* Simple English definition */
18:35:22 <zzo38> O, OK.
18:36:58 <zzo38> I used this equation: https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/png/dec4d2e3d9feeca2f177c47edf06f732d2266c2d
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18:54:42 <spruit11> Yah, it's the square root of the _average_ of the squares of the deviation of the average.
18:55:22 <spruit11> I don't know your formula. Might be right, might be wrong. No idea what the numbers mean.
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18:57:18 <b_jonas> zzo38: that should work if you have only a thousands of cards and the CMCs are small, but in general it's not a good way to compute standard deviation, because it's not numerically stable
18:58:20 <b_jonas> zzo38: there's a better formula, but it's hard to implement in plain SQL, because you need to reduce with a state of three variables (the count, the average, and the sigma of the numbers you have so far),
18:58:42 <b_jonas> so if you wanted to do that in SQL you'd probably write a custom aggregate function or do the computation outside of SQL in some other way
18:58:44 <zzo38> b_jonas: O, OK.
18:59:11 <b_jonas> I'm not sure what the forumla is, I don't remember where I saw it
18:59:24 <b_jonas> maybe en.wikipedia has it
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19:01:09 <b_jonas> zzo38: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithms_for_calculating_variance
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19:03:38 <b_jonas> zzo38: but since you are using double-precision floating point numbers, you can just compute total(convmanacost*convmanacost) and total(convmanacost)*total(convmanacost) exactly if you have a realistic number of Magic cards and converted mana costs, so there's no numeric stability problems
19:03:46 <b_jonas> converted mana costs are just small integers
19:06:17 <zzo38> It is intended to be a single card set, so I do not expect a problem. You may also want to add a GROUP BY clause anyways when calculating statistics, so that there are less cards per group.
19:11:46 <zzo38> TeXnicard also can use PostScript codes, although you cannot call PostScript codes from SQL codes (although the other way around is possible), and PostScript numbers are only single precision anyways, so the calculation is probably work better in SQL. (I could also add new functions into the C code if needed, I suppose; I did add the SQRT function using a C code.)
19:23:51 <zzo38> I am making a HTML exporter template now
19:25:40 <zzo38> Hopefully, I will be able to make this program better than the other one. Actually I think it is already better in many ways, but it is incomplete.
19:28:15 <zzo38> Hopefully, if you have questions about the software that I can write in the frequently asked questions section, please.
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19:59:20 <esowiki> [[6969 Assembler]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=71887&oldid=71886 * CMinusMinus * (+810)
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20:50:43 <zzo38> Do you think this HTML export template is good? http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/texnicard.ui/dir?ci=eebc94f719cbe25d&name=templates/magic-html This is a example of a output from that template: http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/zivstr/ Also do you have comments about the specific cards (and notes/rules) in that output?
20:56:42 <zzo38> And can you help with CSS for it (to add mana symbols and stuff)?
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22:42:56 <b_jonas> `ftoc 140
22:42:57 <HackEso> 140.00°F = 60.00°C
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23:09:25 <zzo38> Will you make a comment?
23:13:22 <int-e> // no.
23:14:30 <zzo38> OK
23:14:49 <zzo38> Will someone else to do, then?
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23:40:43 <Antebrationist> Can someone explain https://esolangs.org/wiki/IRP
23:41:05 <imode> it's a joke.
23:41:22 <Antebrationist> Yeah. Could we test it here?
23:41:45 <imode> sure.
23:42:20 <Antebrationist> Please say "Hello, World!"
23:43:21 <imode> Hello, and thank you for using IRP. We appreciate your desire to use our computing services. In order to complete your request, you need to upgrade to the "Basic I/O" plan, for only $50 a month. Please input your payment details now, starting with your debit card number, followed by your billing address, zip code, and name.
23:43:33 <imode> aw shoot man, looks like you need a license.
23:43:39 <Antebrationist> Wow. Just wow.
23:44:19 <imode> I know right. they're gouging people these days.
23:45:03 <Antebrationist> Alright, let's try something without I/O.
23:45:21 <Antebrationist> Please write this exact line to this channel, and every other channel that you are currently connected to.
23:45:29 <Antebrationist> Wait a second.
23:45:33 <Antebrationist> That's a DDOS worm.
23:45:38 <imode> Hello, and thank you for using IRP. We appreciate your desire to use our computing services. In order to complete your request, you need to upgrade to the "Basic I/O" plan, for only $50 a month. Please input your payment details now, starting with your debit card number, followed by your billing address, zip code, and name.
23:45:48 <imode> it also involves I/O.
23:45:55 <Antebrationist> Oh yeah, output.
23:46:10 <Antebrationist> Hrmmmm...
23:46:19 <imode> I think this service is also rate limited.
23:46:26 <Antebrationist> Please say my name '' OR DROP TABLE USERS
23:46:49 <imode> Hello, and thank you for using IRP. We appreciate your desire to use our computing services. In order to complete your request, you need to upgrade to the "Basic I/O" plan, for only $50 a month. Please input your payment details now, starting with your debit card number, followed by your billing address, zip code, and name. ok
23:46:58 <imode> who are you.
23:47:08 <Antebrationist> I mean my name'); DROP TABLE USERS; --
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