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02:00:04 <Antebrationist> How many brainfuck programs exist which output exactly 50 characters within 256 instructions?
02:00:53 <Antebrationist> I've been searching for them with a quasi brute-force approach, but I've found almost 17k programs that do so.
02:17:47 <fizzie> If I understood the question right, and did the math right, there are at least 5327151263612113856592028031288357293732322332076200467262309800346394628426291212883947264300775921573593383740227957048726152605949525557473303467998398691978171103221141995520 boring such programs.
02:18:46 <fizzie> That was (256 choose 50 * 4^(256 - 50), the number of 256-character programs that contain 50 .s and an arbitrary sequence of <>+-, and no loops.
02:18:59 <zzo38> Yes, I figured the same thing as a minimum bound.
02:19:13 <fizzie> But as said, those are all pretty boring programs.
02:19:15 <zzo38> (Except that I haven't actually calculated it, but you have done.)
02:20:06 <Antebrationist> Let x be a plus or minus symbol, and take programs of the following form.
02:20:07 <zzo38> Yes, there are probably more than that; these ones are only the ones without loops.
02:21:01 <fizzie> Yes, there are many, many more, it's just much harder to calculate how many.
02:22:32 <Antebrationist> http://sprunge.us/um1R8P has just over 20k of the small ones.
02:23:52 <zzo38> Do you use the printobject and writeobject commands in PostScript (if you use PostScript at all)?
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02:46:31 <zzo38> I looked at the first few.
02:46:47 <zzo38> At least, it explain better what you meant, I suppose.
02:49:51 <Antebrationist> I've also solved the upper bound, but most of these will be invalid.
02:50:25 <Antebrationist> Actually, I know a way to find how many brainfuck programs of length x are valid, so I'll run it for 256.
02:52:11 <Antebrationist> There are 155251809230070893514897948846250255525688601711669661113905203802605095268637688633087840882864647795048773069713107320617158
02:53:17 <Antebrationist> 1552518092300708935148979488462502555256886017116696611139052038026050952686376886330878408828646477950487730697131073206171580044114814391444287275041181139204454976020849905550265285631598444825262999193716468750892846853816057856
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06:01:31 <zzo38> I played Pokemon card today, and my opponent won by tossing three coins; they needed at least two heads to win, and got two heads. If they had not won, then I would have won because I had the correct cards to win in my hand. So, that was a 50% chance to won or lose. Sometimes, that is what happens; that is how this game is doing.
06:09:31 <myname> if it's a 50% chance, why not just throw one coin?
06:11:06 <zzo38> Because of the effects of the cards. My card had 60 HP, their card had an attack which says 40 + flip a coin for each water energy attached to this card and add 10 for each heads. We each needed to knock out only one opponent's card to win.
06:11:15 <zzo38> That's why we used three coins rather than justo ne.
06:20:22 <zzo38> Someone mentioned that they needed to compare two different PNG files to see if the picture is the same, and that they could use stb_image and write such a program in fifty lines of code. But if I was needing to do that, I would instead use a command such as: cmp <(pngff < file1.png) <(pngff < file2.png) This is an advantage that farbfeld has over Netpbm (that same pictures are always the same data).
06:27:15 <zzo38> For the Pokemon card game, I used Go stones to mark the damage. If someone else is playing Pokemon card, is that what you use?
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06:45:05 <zzo38> (It is probably possible to compare pictures with ImageMagick too.)
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08:36:30 <rain1> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambooripad_order
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13:13:34 <fizzie> Oh, had forgotten fungot doesn't autostart.
13:13:34 <fungot> fizzie: i have no idea how it works
13:37:54 <fizzie> Sounds quite imperial-metric.
13:38:40 <b_jonas> fizzie: yes, 12*0.0254 is a foot
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13:39:14 <fizzie> It did seem like something of that kind was afoot, yes.
13:39:31 <b_jonas> those are the only conversions I know off the top of my head, I only know very bad approximations for the mile, pound, ounces etc
13:39:46 <b_jonas> luckily the internet knows the exact values
13:39:54 <fizzie> 25.4mm for an inch is also the only one I remember.
13:40:11 <b_jonas> oh wait, I think I also know the Fahrenheit to Celsius coefficients
13:40:19 <b_jonas> ``` cat /hackenv/bin/f2c # these
13:40:22 <HackEso> cat: /hackenv/bin/f2c: No such file or directory
13:40:30 <HackEso> #!/usr/bin/perl \ $f=0+$ARGV[0]; printf"%.2f°F = %.2f°C\n",$f,($f-32)*5/9;
13:40:48 <fizzie> I only ever remember the 32 of those.
13:43:08 <b_jonas> the linear factor is simple, it's the same as the aspect ratio of the sides of my home monitor, as opposed to the more narrow aspect ratio of the more common monitors such as the smaller ones I have to use at work
13:53:51 <fizzie> Hmm, I don't think I've heard of... 9:5? 18:10?
13:54:24 <b_jonas> fizzie: yes, 1920x1200 pixels, each pixel is a square
13:56:13 <fizzie> . o O (Is there a word for "mnemonic" except that it makes you remember something wrong?)
13:57:03 <int-e> It's still a menomonic, isn't it.
13:57:49 <fizzie> [noun] 1. mnemonic -- (a device (such as a rhyme or acronym) used to aid recall) [adj] 1. mnemonic, mnemotechnic, mnemotechnical -- (of or relating to or involved the practice of aiding the memory; "mnemonic device")
13:58:18 <b_jonas> dunno, call it a nmenomic maybe
14:05:33 <fizzie> An anemonic. No, that's already something.
14:12:02 <int-e> I guess the question is whether "mindless" has a nice translation into Greek that starts with mne-... then you could add -ic to that.
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19:53:02 <int-e> fungot: is software evil?
19:53:02 <fungot> int-e: to use an interpreter: interpreter program note: program can be the best
19:53:24 <int-e> fungot: I don't like that answer, where do I change it?
19:53:24 <fungot> int-e: what difference does it make
19:59:47 <int-e> (Evil software: I accidently clicked the "call" button in the telegram client (linux desktop). So I looked for the option to disable that button. Seems there is none. Not even a confirmation dialog.)
20:03:02 <b_jonas> int-e: I don't know what this telegram client is, but good luck
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21:09:12 <arseniiv> int-e: try to make a group, even if just with another person. I looked at a group of three and there’s no call button
21:09:42 <arseniiv> (in a group of nine, too, but I thought maybe there’s just too many people)
21:09:59 <arseniiv> though that’s about a windows client
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21:23:39 <int-e> arseniiv: it just seems so inconsiderate
21:23:52 <int-e> actively distubring another person should take more than a single click
21:27:50 <arseniiv> I saw people saying sorry when accidentally clicking on the button like this or trying to enter a particular character (in a custom layout) in Skype (ow, IIRC that wasn’t switchable off either). I can totally understand that though luckily no one called me when I was using phone (as I don’t use speakers on a computer for a couple of years). So I didn’t thought about these issues much, but yes
21:30:30 <arseniiv> hm I was lucky not to call anyone myself. Though I was inconsiderate to text several times when the person still slept (not that I wake early, so I thought others are awake at the time I am)
21:30:59 <arseniiv> to text or to send a cat photo
21:31:05 <int-e> Ah the victim took it in good humor. I just don't want a repeat
21:36:02 <zzo38> Is there alternative program, or are you able to alter the program, or to tell whoever makes it?
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21:39:19 <int-e> arseniiv: the irritating bit is that there's no microphone connected. hmm.
21:41:11 <arseniiv> int-e: hm also indeed like zzo38 says I heard there are several alternative clients, I just hadn’t browsed them at all myself
21:41:18 <int-e> I guess alsa makes it hard to figure that out
21:53:13 <int-e> arseniiv: there's a ticket... doesn't seem to be a popular request :/ https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/issues/3583
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21:55:42 <int-e> This is all kind of non-esoteric, but the question whether software is inherently evil did seem appropriate :)
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22:02:58 <arseniiv> int-e: it is, it is, maybe just the tiniest programs aren’t!
22:03:28 <arseniiv> lambda calculus is also evil, but pi calculus is <infinite branching>
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