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00:44:35 <esowiki> [[Talk:Burro]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73642&oldid=73564 * Ais523 * (+335) /* Concatenative explication */ Underload and Burro are different in this respect
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10:49:54 <esowiki> [[DIVCON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73654&oldid=73563 * D * (+448)
10:53:21 <cpressey> int-e: Those two rewrite-rule-operators turn out to form a semiring (nearly). But, they also turn to be, not what I want (in terms of what I thought they might be practical for.)
10:56:26 <esowiki> [[DIVCON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73655&oldid=73654 * D * (+808)
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11:10:41 <esowiki> [[Small]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73657&oldid=71593 * D * (+0)
11:14:56 <cpressey> Changing Rn & Rm to mean "apply first Rn then Rm in sequence" probably also gets a semiring.
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11:17:01 <cpressey> + is associative and commutative. 0 is an artifical rule that never matches anything. & is associative. 1 is an artificial rule that can always be applied, but which never changes anything.
11:18:01 <esowiki> [[DIVCON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73658&oldid=73656 * D * (+375)
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11:20:23 <esowiki> [[DIVCON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73659&oldid=73658 * D * (+288)
11:22:02 <cpressey> To be clearer, Rn & Rm => "If Rn can be applied and then Rm can be applied, then apply Rn and then apply Rm" -- that way R & 0 = 0 for all R.
11:24:12 <esowiki> [[DIVCON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73660&oldid=73659 * D * (+80)
11:27:13 <esowiki> [[DIVCON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73661&oldid=73660 * D * (+45)
11:29:30 <esowiki> [[DIVCON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73662&oldid=73661 * D * (+174)
11:30:56 <esowiki> [[DIVCON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73663&oldid=73662 * D * (-14) Fix spacing, etc.
11:34:32 <esowiki> [[Talk:Unary Filesystem]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73664&oldid=73576 * D * (+308)
11:38:04 <rain1> im using sagemath for galois theory calculations, it is very good
11:38:52 <esowiki> [[DIVCON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73665&oldid=73663 * D * (-4)
11:39:18 <b_jonas> rain1: try https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=940327
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11:40:00 <rain1> oh.. these are hard
11:42:27 <b_jonas> also https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=863110 and the stuff it links to
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11:49:03 <esowiki> [[DIVCON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73666&oldid=73665 * D * (+9) I'll do it later.
11:56:18 <esowiki> [[DIVCON]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73667&oldid=73666 * D * (+30) Swapping operands might be quite useful here.
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17:55:49 <b_jonas> zzo38: you didn't react to https://esolangs.org/logs/2020-06-11.html#ldd yesterday, so repeating just in case: get card set data dumps from scryfall every few months, see https://scryfall.com/docs/api/bulk-data
17:56:05 <b_jonas> or I might have missed your reacton
18:10:12 <zzo38> OK. How big is the data? Are incremental updates possible, to store only the cards whose data has changed?
18:11:43 <b_jonas> zzo38: that page gives numbers. I don't think it has incremental updates using those bulk dumps, maybe look at the rest of the api help
18:25:41 <zzo38> I looked at the changelog and it look like they have timestamp URLs. I haven't checked if previous versions are still available though or not
18:30:40 <zzo38> Are all of the card scans correctly aligned?
18:31:57 <zzo38> (The main reason for wanting aligned scans, I think, is if you want to substitute the Oracle text while keeping the same artwork; this may be relevant when rendering puzzles, for example.)
18:33:24 <b_jonas> zzo38: I think not always at first, because they upload preliminary photos of cards they haven't obtained yet, but for cards in English already released in large volume randomized boosters for a week probably less
18:34:15 <b_jonas> zzo38: I think they have an api to serve just the art box without a frame too
18:37:38 <zzo38> Well, as long as the art box is correctly aligned (and the resolution is correct), then you could construct the frame by yourself, I suppose.
18:39:15 <b_jonas> not with these modern cards that have all sorts of nonsense
18:39:48 <b_jonas> annoying custom art in the text box of every fucking colorless card
18:40:25 <b_jonas> new frame elements every year
18:42:38 <int-e> how about they fork the whole thing ;)
18:42:56 <int-e> Like "M:tG classic" and "M:tG modern"
18:43:20 <zzo38> O, I suppose that is correct. But you could then render it without extending the art outside of the art box, I suppose.
18:44:10 <zzo38> Or, something else I have wanted, is an extended version of the old style frame, with more room for text (and possibly more room for art too, at least horizontally).
18:44:55 <b_jonas> int-e: as in take the snapshot in 2012, no new cards, bugfixes only? yes, that may make a better game
18:46:19 <zzo38> I don't know if the size of the art box would then be correct for modern cards, but, maybe it is, I don't know.
18:47:05 <int-e> b_jonas: I had something different in mind: Make new cards but stick to the old, more stringent layout conventions. Maybe have crappier artwork and less saturated colors as well ;)
18:47:39 <int-e> And I'm not quite serious.
18:47:52 <zzo38> I like much of the old style artwork, although a few of the new ones are good too.
18:51:10 <int-e> b_jonas: It's worth noting that I'm stuck in time wrt M:tG. I have bascially not seen any of the new things since 2010.
18:53:21 <zzo38> I always keep track of changes to the rules these days, although I have not always seen all (or any) of the new cards.
18:54:42 <int-e> too esoteric for me ;)
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19:42:50 <zzo38> I also invented a version control format for data in SQLite databases, for use with TeXnicard; some of its features are specific to TeXnicard but it could be adapted for other uses too. Maybe it can also be used for keeping track of Oracle changes in Magic: the Gathering, too.
19:43:10 <rain1> What does TeXnicard do?
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19:44:21 <zzo38> rain1: TeXnicard is a program for making databases of, statistics of, collaboration of (that is what the version control files are for), and rendering, of cards for card games such as Magic: the Gathering and other card games.
19:44:27 <int-e> . o O ( It keeps zzo38 busy. )
19:44:29 <zzo38> (including making up your own card game)
19:44:58 <zzo38> It is an alternative to Magic Set Editor.
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19:45:28 <zzo38> There is a Fossil repository at http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/texnicard.ui
19:46:05 <esowiki> [[Celsee]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=73676&oldid=69267 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-33)
19:49:39 <zzo38> I would hope that anyone who is interested in TeXnicard can help with this project of TeXnicard. Do you?
19:50:51 <rain1> that's a good idea
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19:58:22 <zzo38> (There are many features of MSE that I don't like.)
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20:30:27 <zzo38> The programming languages used in TeXnicard are C, SQL, and PostScript. If you wish to design fonts, then it is also helpful to know METAFONT (although you might also be able to use other programs to produce the fonts in TFM and PK format; that works too). If you are only making templates and not modifying TeXnicard itself, then C programming is not needed, but SQL and PostScript are.
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21:47:30 <zzo38> I thought of a new card "Librarian's Wall" that when it blocks, fateseal 1 and then the active player draws a card. Do you have idea to set the toughness, mana cost, etc?
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