00:07:16 <shachaf> But how do you run the code?
00:07:34 <shachaf> Including shell scripts at the top seems very Unix-centric.
00:07:39 <shachaf> I want my programs to be cross-platform.
00:08:34 <zzo38> Well, you could still compile it without running the shell script at top too I suppose, just using whatever compiler it is; or you can use WSL
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00:13:14 <shachaf> How do you write a shell script at the top?
00:13:22 <shachaf> I guess you can start a C program with #if 0
00:13:28 <shachaf> But you can't have a #! line.
00:13:52 <zzo38> Yes, although you can still run it by writing "bash main.c" or whatever
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03:43:39 <zzo38> Here is a implementation of Unnecessary in PostScript: ARGUMENTS 0{get(r)file}stopped{[}if] Like the one I wrote in JavaScript, the error message is strange.
03:45:43 <esowiki> [[Talk:Unnecessary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77432&oldid=57536 * Zzo38 * (+363) Implementation in PostScript (which is also a bit strange)
03:46:02 <zzo38> Hopefully, both of these implementations, you could see how it is working.
04:00:54 <esowiki> [[Talk:Unnecessary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77433&oldid=77432 * Zzo38 * (+59)
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04:12:27 <zzo38> Is there a short way to write googol with roman numbers?
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04:39:22 <Arcorann_> An X with 33 bars over it might work
04:44:48 <Arcorann_> The other option is something like CCC...CCC|ↃↃↃ...ↃↃↃ (see also Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals#Large_numbers)
04:45:05 <Arcorann_> where there are 98 Cs and backwards Cs
04:49:00 <zzo38> How many bars was the largest number of bars the Romans used?
04:51:49 <Arcorann_> I don't know of any historical cases where more than one was used
04:54:52 <zzo38> I think in modern use, most things with roman numbers are not going to use any bars, nor any fractions, although I have occasionally used fractions
04:59:53 <Arcorann_> (That pipe should be an I by the way)
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05:48:17 <zzo38> I think the rules for Cryptography skill in GURPS isn't very good. And for other reasons, there are also problems with Fortune-Telling skill. And actually, also Brawling skill; you might be better or worse at bites, horns, claws, etc, but the skill level for them is not distinguished (although the attacks themself are distinguished).
06:02:34 <esowiki> [[DigitDigitJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77434&oldid=77425 * Zero * (-24)
06:31:56 <int-e> Woah, there's a World Standards Day?
06:32:45 <int-e> Which is on October 14th every year. Boring so far... but the reason I'm reading about this now is this: 'The U.S. Celebration of World Standards Day (WSD), an event intended to raise awareness of the importance of global standardization to the world economy and to promote its role in helping meet the needs of business, industry, government, and consumers worldwide, will be held on Thursday,...
06:41:18 <int-e> https://www.ansi.org/news_publications/news_story?menuid=7&articleid=fa8379c4-3024-4970-b782-9446aadaf805
06:41:56 <int-e> . o O ( ANSI adaptation of international standards always takes a while. )
07:01:45 <Arcorann_> According to Wikipedia they've been doing this since 2014
07:04:47 <Arcorann_> https://www.ansi.org/meetings_events/WSWEEK/WSW2020/World-Standards-Day <-- by the way, this year's was cancelled
07:11:26 <int-e> Sorry, I somehow find this funny.
07:12:07 <int-e> (The datas. The cancellation is just good practice right now.)
07:12:38 <int-e> Though many events go virtual instead.
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10:36:57 <cpressey> The PA degrees are interesting. The WP article doesn't do a good job defining what a "completion of PA" is, but I take it that a completion of PA is not (necessarily) Turing-complete. Which raises the interesting question of what computability class (or classes) they do represent.
10:40:38 <cpressey> "A completion of Peano arithmetic is a set of formulas in the language of Peano arithmetic, such that the set is consistent in first-order logic and such that, for each formula, either that formula or its negation is included in the set."
10:41:04 <cpressey> That sentence sounds like a tautology to me -- they must mean something by "for each formula" that I don't get
10:41:24 <rain1> i suppose we have to assign a truth value to everything
10:41:30 <rain1> as opposed to leaving undecidable sentences
10:46:42 <rain1> so we can actually write a real computer program that lists out the truth values of PA sentences in an order such that everything is mentioned eventually?
10:53:59 <cpressey> What truth value would you expect it to eventually print out for the PA sentence that says "This sentence is false"?
10:55:15 <rain1> is it impossible to assign it a truth value?
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11:10:18 <cpressey> The PA degree article does seem to say that the PA degrees are uncomputable, and it doesn't actually refer to any proof that there is a PA degree strictly lower than the HP - it only says "There are also PA degrees that are not above 0‘".
11:10:41 <cpressey> So maybe 0' is the lowest PA degree, it doesn't seem to rule that out.
11:12:34 <cpressey> A set that is uncomputable but "not as uncomputable as the halting problem" is very, very hard to imagine.
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11:14:16 <rain1> especially with rices theorem??
11:14:20 <rain1> doesn't rices theorem rule that out
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12:08:11 <esowiki> [[DigitDigitJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77435&oldid=77434 * Zero * (-30)
12:20:19 <esowiki> [[SpaghettiScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77436&oldid=73071 * UltimateProGrammer * (+134) Outputs letter
12:28:21 <esowiki> [[SpaghettiScript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77437&oldid=77436 * UltimateProGrammer * (+11)
12:32:44 <esowiki> [[SpaghettiScript]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77438&oldid=77437 * UltimateProGrammer * (+46) Get FizzBuzz to work
12:40:33 <esowiki> [[DigitDigitJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77439&oldid=77435 * Zero * (+129) Undo revision 77435 by [[Special:Contributions/Zero|Zero]] ([[User talk:Zero|talk]])
12:45:57 <esowiki> [[SpaghettiScript]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77440&oldid=77438 * UltimateProGrammer * (+768) Say Fizz instead of F and the same with buzz
12:46:43 <esowiki> [[DigitDigitJump]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77441&oldid=77439 * Zero * (+91)
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14:55:08 <kritixilithos> bwah what a cliff-hanger (https://risingentropy.com/the-arithmetic-hierarchy-and-computability/)
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16:25:49 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77445&oldid=77377 * BlueOkiris * (+19) /* S */
16:32:36 <rain1> https://cs.stackexchange.com/questions/130030/incomputable-sets-of-low-degree-vs-rices-theorem/130035#130035
16:32:40 <rain1> I asked about low degree
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18:23:30 <HackEso> olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1214.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
18:23:58 <Sgeo> I keep forgetting about `olist even when I'm on IRC and see the update before it's been done
18:31:11 <esowiki> [[Talk:Lenta]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77446&oldid=77431 * Tetrapyronia * (-1)
20:07:04 <zzo38> I started to implement a "safe interactive mode" in TeXnicard, for use when you are making it available as a remote service (such as with SSH), and are not using other mechanisms to improve security (e.g. separate user accounts, sandboxing, etc).
20:37:42 <esowiki> [[05AB1E]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77447&oldid=77428 * SunnyMoon * (+81) Stack of STRINGS
20:38:14 <esowiki> [[05AB1E]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77448&oldid=77447 * SunnyMoon * (+1) uh oh
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