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01:25:32 <esowiki> [[05AB1E]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77806&oldid=77796 * TwilightSparkle * (+82) /* 2sable */
01:29:21 <esowiki> [[Talk:SCREAMCODE]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=77807 * TwilightSparkle * (+227) Created page with "We already had enough of these trivial BF derivatives. When you get bored, please at least do something creative, please! ~~~~"
02:04:52 <esowiki> [[Ecstatic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77808&oldid=67121 * B jonas * (+54) /* Syntax */
02:10:19 <esowiki> [[Unary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77809&oldid=75557 * B jonas * (+14) /* See also */
02:16:23 <esowiki> [[Unary]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77810&oldid=77809 * B jonas * (+3) /* See also */
02:26:45 <esowiki> [[Trivial brainfuck substitution]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77811&oldid=69323 * B jonas * (+616) show just how many of these are on the wiki
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03:52:50 <b_jonas> so when I bought four 4TB hard disks with the new machine, planning to have two internal and two that I occasionally plug in to make backups on and swap them so one is off-site all the time, I knew that some of the HDD manufacturers don't tell which of their drives is secretly shingled.
03:54:19 <b_jonas> this is obviously bad, because customers could choose the right HD for the right purpose if they knew which ones are which, eg. I'd buy two non-shingled ones as internal and two shingled ones for the backups; and operating systems could optimize use of shingled drives much better than in the current situation when the firmware just doesn't tell anything about what it's doing and all the OS can do is
03:54:25 <b_jonas> hope that the drive won't lock up for an hour rearranging data.
03:55:18 <b_jonas> and I specifically bought three different types of 4TB drives, from the three different manufacturers. and yes, I admit I bought two of the cheapest of the three types, but still.
03:56:43 <b_jonas> now it turns out that of the four drives that I have bought, Seagate Barracuda ST4000DM004 is definitely shingled, the two Toshiba HDWD240UZSVA P300 are definitely shingled, and Western Digital WD40EZAZ is either not shingled or WD "forgot" to admit because the sysadmins couldn't prove that it's shingled yet
03:58:51 <b_jonas> even not buying two of the cheapest wouldn't have saved me, because the Seagate would have been my second choice for what I'd buy twice (it costs only slightly more than the WD and the main drive in my old computer is WD)
03:59:59 <b_jonas> and when I choose to buy the next hard disk, I'll still only have the choice of buying a years old model, of which sysadmins would have discovered if it was shingled, or buying a new model that may be fake shingled.
04:00:57 <b_jonas> but I hope this will only keep up for a few years, after which hardware manufacturers will go on to another trick because this no longer works.
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07:43:42 <esowiki> [[05AB1E]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77812&oldid=77806 * SunnyMoon * (+4) The "citation needed" mark is normally italics on Wikipedia.
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07:48:00 <esowiki> [[05AB1E]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77813&oldid=77812 * SunnyMoon * (+32) Does it make sense?
08:05:38 <esowiki> [[SCREAMCODE]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77814&oldid=77778 * SunnyMoon * (-8) Please, use swear words only when it is needed.
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08:42:01 <esowiki> [[Blub]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77815&oldid=53853 * SunnyMoon * (+0) It should be capital. (Modified with ///)
08:52:44 <imode> really. removing a curse word.
08:52:54 <imode> I don't contribute but we're adults.
08:58:20 <imode> you can say fuck on the internet.
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09:45:45 <esowiki> [[Trivial brainfuck substitution]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77816&oldid=77811 * SunnyMoon * (+4607) Wikitableified!
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15:12:59 <esowiki> [[Sabdt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77818&oldid=77648 * Aspwil * (-15) /* Positive integers addition */
15:24:01 <esowiki> [[Modulous]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77819&oldid=77599 * Abyxlrz * (+9)
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17:31:42 <esowiki> [[Sabdt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77822&oldid=77821 * Aspwil * (+1731) /* Libraries */
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18:00:51 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77823&oldid=77798 * Winkula * (+201) winkula introduces himself
18:03:01 <esowiki> [[BIT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=77824&oldid=30442 * Winkula * (+80) added link to unofficial BIT interpreter
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