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01:06:38 <int-e> . o O ( Plan for today... do not play AME, let's see how well that goes. )
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01:19:15 <fizzie> My bridge-building stalled off for some reason, even though I've still got 14/16 of the levels of the last world (out of 5) unfinished, plus almost all (16/16 of 3/5, and 13/16 of one more) of the challenge mode levels that are the same as the originals but with an extra twist.
01:20:07 <int-e> I also have plenty of bridges left to build in the other franchise.
01:20:33 <fizzie> I heard my wife's brother's playing a medieval bridge-building game, is that part of your franchise?
01:20:59 <int-e> This one? https://www.gog.com/game/bridge_constructor_medieval
01:21:18 <int-e> That one I actually finished. It has a cute twist.
01:21:18 <fizzie> Probably. How many medieval bridge construction games could there be?
01:21:33 <int-e> fizzie: I know of one. But there can easily be more...
01:21:57 <int-e> there are three active franchises I think, though I forgot what the third one is.
01:23:07 <int-e> (The twist I mean is that you get to build bridges that are designed to break. I think I've talked about this here, actually.)
01:24:10 <fizzie> Oh, I see.
01:24:59 <int-e> (finished = played all the bridges, with challenges. there'll always be room for optimization.)
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01:58:01 <shachaf> int-e: I haven't played it since we last talked about it.
01:58:15 <shachaf> So now you're way ahead.
01:58:43 <int-e> I played 6 hours yesterday, it was too much.
01:59:20 <int-e> (total time is approaching 8 hours, plus 1 hour for the first test run; I started over two days ago)
01:59:59 <shachaf> I can't tell whether you mean you started more than two days ago or restarted from scratch two days ago.
02:00:02 <int-e> And don't ask me why... I don't really have a good reason. I guess I wanted to see how much I'd learned.
02:00:06 <shachaf> Aha.
02:00:26 <int-e> I think I started three days ago.
02:01:02 <int-e> Oh it's been longer actually, hmm.
02:01:12 <int-e> Time is tricky
02:01:26 <shachaf> That's definitely over two days ago.
02:02:06 <int-e> I guess I tried it out on the 29th, then gave it a rest on the 30th, then started from scratch the 1st, played 6 hours the 2nd, and now it's the 3rd.
02:02:26 <int-e> So 4 days by that measure.
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12:25:26 <fizzie> Kind of a slow start. But at least we're back to the '#'s and the '.'s.
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12:25:55 <Taneb> Is there an #esoteric leaderboard for AoC?
12:26:34 <fizzie> Not that I know of. But I think the timed challenge thing kind of doesn't work cross timezones so much, anyway.
12:27:10 <fizzie> And/or with people who aren't going to commit to work on these in a timely manner. :)
12:28:34 <Taneb> Fair enough
12:29:04 <Taneb> I've been naturally waking up at 5AM anyway for a week or so for reasons I can't figure out, which is awful except for the fact it lets me get an early start on AoC
12:29:05 <fizzie> Full disclosure: I'm doing my Go "let's pretend to write this like I'm doing actual software development" thing again, with the "turn all examples into unit tests" stuff and so on, and that's not very optimized for time.
12:29:30 <fizzie> The only time I got points in 2019 was when I forgot to go to bed and it was suddenly 5am.
12:32:20 <Taneb> btw there is a secret intcode reference in today's
12:32:30 <int-e> there was?
12:32:37 <Taneb> In some hovertext
12:32:57 <int-e> the task is boring but there are secret references?
12:33:17 <fizzie> Oh, right, it had those hovertext things, completely forgot about them.
12:34:28 <fizzie> And then post-the-25th, they got highlighted or something.
12:34:43 <rain1> is day 3 worth doing
12:35:06 <int-e> Taneb seems to be taking this seriously.
12:35:15 <rain1> if i don't do them will i stop seeing them eventually?
12:35:44 <fizzie> I'm taking completion % seriously, even if I'm not taking the leaderboards. :)
12:35:56 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79106&oldid=79092 * Mantita223 * (+12) /* Non-alphabetic */
12:36:34 <int-e> today I overtook 2200 people between part 1 and part 2 :-P
12:36:51 <int-e> (based on https://adventofcode.com/2020/leaderboard/self )
12:37:12 <int-e> > 29342 {- part 1 rank -} - 27087 {- part 2 rank -}
12:37:14 <lambdabot> 2255
12:37:18 <FireFly> I'm not waking up before 06:00 just for aoc :p
12:37:27 <fizzie> > 32928 - 30496
12:37:29 <lambdabot> 2432
12:38:19 <int-e> I was awake but I was trying to build somebody else's Haskell project which seemed more interesting.
12:38:54 <int-e> I only got around to AoC 6 (minus 5 minutes) hours into their day.
12:40:59 <fizzie> I think I'm mostly surprised about the lack of difference between part 1s and part 2s so far.
12:41:03 <fizzie> As in, not surprised that the grey-to-gold ratio is smaller in https://adventofcode.com/2020/stats than in https://adventofcode.com/2019/stats
12:41:34 <int-e> yeah I had a similar thought
12:43:13 <esowiki> [[Yo!nk]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79107 * Mantita223 * (+732) Created page with "==Yo!ink== Yo!ink is a esoteric programming language made by the user [[mantita223]] The language has very simple syntax, and with a bit of programming knowledge, anyone can u..."
12:45:31 <int-e> maybe it'll get better
12:45:41 <int-e> there's still hope
12:46:24 <int-e> but it should really ramp up the difficulty soon or I'll stop checking for updates and do everything on the 25th :P
12:49:10 <b_jonas> it probably will. they need a few easy problems as bait.
12:49:51 <b_jonas> I'll have to look at this advent of code thing if it's so popular here
12:50:19 <int-e> A few, so 4 wasn't enough? Also the real trick is to make part 1 easy and part 2 difficult.
12:50:39 <int-e> Then ramp those up slowly.
12:52:27 <int-e> Easy to say, of course.
12:53:00 <fizzie> I guess 2019 day 4 isn't really much different than what we've seen so far of 2020, so maybe this is just general 2020 negativity going on.
12:54:29 <int-e> maybe
12:54:47 <int-e> The alternating theme in 2019 was fun.
12:55:23 <int-e> (even though later on the intcode only served as obfuscation for the puzzle input)
12:55:46 <int-e> except for day 25!
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13:52:48 <esowiki> [[Yo!nk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79108&oldid=79107 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+362) wikitext, cats, links, rm redundant header
14:02:29 <b_jonas> starting to look at Advent of Code 2020 => I'm on an island and I have to collect star coins? what's this, a Mario game?
14:04:19 <int-e> you're not even there yet
14:04:24 <int-e> it's just a mundane job
14:04:28 <int-e> earn money for code
14:04:49 <int-e> it's small amounts of code so you get small amounts of money
14:04:55 <int-e> maybe that's why the problems are so trivial
14:20:40 <b_jonas> how many times or how fast can I retry these problems? because this problem looks like there are only a thousand different possible outputs, so I might just retry submitting random outputs instead of solving it properly
14:23:41 <rain1> you're not supposed to do that
14:26:26 <int-e> it's against the christmas spirit
14:28:42 <Taneb> b_jonas: I think there's a 1 minute timeout but I could be mixed up
14:34:43 <b_jonas> Taneb: hmm. I've definitely taken more than a minute on the second half of this task, and I got the star.
14:34:50 <b_jonas> but we'll see
14:35:42 <fizzie> Not that kind of a timeout, a timeout on how quickly you can repeatedly submit.
14:35:47 <fizzie> I seem to recall it was a minute, too.
14:35:54 <b_jonas> ah thanks
14:36:27 <fizzie> Because the one time I was doing it live, I made a typo when copying the answer when submitting, and had to wait for that, and it was frustrating.
14:36:29 <b_jonas> so the 1000 possibilities are just about possible to brute force
14:36:41 <fizzie> Yeah. FWIW, usually there's a lot more possible answers than that.
14:37:38 <b_jonas> anyway, I got the two yellow star coins for day 1. on to day 2. I haven't seen any red star coins yet.
14:42:21 <b_jonas> fizzie: https://adventofcode.com/2020/day/2 first task asks how many passwords are valid from a list of 1000 passwords. the answer must be between 0 and 1000 inclusive, that's 1001 possibilities. day 1 first task also has about 1000 possibilities if all prices in the input are non-negative integers.
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14:44:02 <fizzie> Yeah, but that's from a sample size of N=2, I was talking more out from 2019 experiences.
14:44:27 <int-e> brute forcing the answer seems more effort than computing it
14:44:27 <b_jonas> sample size 3, because day 1 second task has more possibilities I think
14:44:32 <int-e> in both these cases
14:44:38 <b_jonas> int-e: in these cases, yes
14:46:04 <fizzie> Also I'd say the 2020 days 1-3 (hopefully) aren't terribly representative of AoC as a whole. From 2019, I think days 16, 18, 20 and 22 were among the interesting ones, along with the Intcode stuff in general. Days 16 and 22 both have a nice "part 1 can be very straightfoward, but won't generalize to part 2" thing going on.
14:46:30 <b_jonas> let me solve this day 2 first task then
14:47:18 <fizzie> I don't think it's a spoiler to say that so far the part 2's have been pretty much the same as part 1's, which is a little unfortunate.
14:48:34 <fizzie> Incidentally, this year's day 3's part 1 is definitely brute-forceable too, with an even smaller solution space. Though again there's not really any reason to.
14:49:30 <FireFly> the intcode stuff was a real bummer for people who had planned to do each task in a different language for funs
14:49:31 <b_jonas> so these get updated in the European morning?
14:50:29 <myname> ah, you mean people probably get points for just bruteforcing?
14:50:36 <b_jonas> FireFly: why? intcode is easy enough to implement anew, or if you want to use an older implementation, you can learn how to bridge or combine languages
14:52:04 <FireFly> b_jonas: well I mean, it seemed to get a bit old to reimplement the same VM from what I could tell last year, I saw some noise on twitter wrt it
14:52:27 <FireFly> I didn't really do aoc last year, and in general I've never been good at following through :p
14:52:36 <FireFly> so we'll see how I fare this year
14:53:45 <b_jonas> do we have info for how fast you have to be to get leaderboard points?
14:53:57 <b_jonas> like when the 50th and 100th solutions arrived?
14:54:09 <fizzie> b_jonas: They get updated American east coast midnight, which translates into European quite-early morning.
14:55:28 <fizzie> b_jonas: Yes, you can see them in the per-day leaderboards.
14:55:35 <fizzie> https://adventofcode.com/2020/leaderboard/day/2 and so on.
14:55:44 <b_jonas> ah thanks
14:57:39 <b_jonas> looks like you have to be a few minutes after publication for these first days... though later days may be much harder of course
14:59:06 <Taneb> So, I was 4 minutes and 18 seconds too slow to get onto the leaderboards for part 2 this morning :(
15:00:10 <int-e> don't try
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15:25:52 <fizzie> int-e: Do, or do not?
15:30:17 <b_jonas> `? try
15:30:20 <HackEso> There is no try.
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15:51:36 <b_jonas> does this AoC site give some way to prove how many gold stars I have? it shows the count to me, but I have to be logged in for that
15:52:28 <Taneb> Hmm, it does to someone with whom you share a private leaderboard
15:52:47 <b_jonas> ah, so do we have an #esoteric leaderboard?
15:52:56 <b_jonas> `? aoc
15:52:58 <HackEso> Advent of Code (AoC) is a series of programming puzzles that some regulars enjoy, found at "https://adventofcode.com/2020/about".
15:53:44 <Taneb> We do not
16:00:03 <b_jonas> should we have one?
16:00:35 <b_jonas> I guess we can wait for more difficult tasks
16:00:45 <Taneb> I am in favour of having one
16:01:34 <b_jonas> int-e, fizzie: ^
16:12:18 <fizzie> I'm lukewarm, but would have a non-negligible chance of joining if one was created. I don't care about the points thing (and I think it might be kind of pointless for as small a group as this), but the gold star thing is different.
16:12:37 <fizzie> Taneb: You would be, because if you're consistently awake at puzzle publication time, you'll end up having a perfect score on it.
16:18:07 <Taneb> fizzie: that is a fair point but not the whole reason (I like being part of things)
16:20:03 <b_jonas> Taneb: so would a private leaderboard tell how many gold stars we have?
16:20:11 <b_jonas> and red stars if they exist?
16:20:29 <b_jonas> or dragon coins if they call it that
16:21:27 <Taneb> Hang on, I'll get a screenshot of the #haskell leaderboard
16:21:50 <Taneb> https://i.imgur.com/AGbbaIT.png
16:22:18 <fizzie> Note that AIUI you can only have one private leaderboard.
16:22:22 <Taneb> There it shows that a lot of people have done the first three days (it would be a silver star if they had only done part day)
16:22:27 <Taneb> fizzie: you can be a member of many however
16:22:43 <fizzie> Oh, I didn't realize that's what it meant by "you can only have one".
16:22:57 <Taneb> I'm currently in five
16:23:19 <Taneb> But they're each associated with a user (#haskell is glguy for example)
16:23:38 <fizzie> That makes sense. I just misinterpreted the page.
16:37:36 <fizzie> Out of curiosity, with a private leaderboard, do you also get just a top 100, or just however many people are on it?
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16:38:27 <fizzie> (Not that I imagine there'd be a difference for #esoteric.)
16:38:40 <Taneb> I think however many people are in it
16:38:55 <Taneb> Yeah
16:40:50 <b_jonas> Taneb: thanks, that looks like it shows the gold and double gold stars for each task, ideal
16:42:55 <fizzie> And one more thing, are these private leaderboards per-year, or global across the events?
16:43:03 <Taneb> The latter
16:43:10 <Taneb> But you only view one year at a time
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17:33:13 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Starwort * New user account
17:36:10 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79109&oldid=79039 * Starwort * (+167) /* Introductions */
17:38:01 <esowiki> [[Intcode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79110&oldid=74826 * Starwort * (+123) Add my Intcode interpreter to the list of interpreters
17:48:06 <fizzie> Heh, looks like the channel isn't the only one getting into AoC mood.
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18:30:28 <b_jonas> fizzie: yes, freenode has programmers elsewhere too
18:37:22 <b_jonas> fungot, you speak British, right? what does "a niggle" mean?
18:37:22 <fungot> b_jonas: oh, well,' said susan. ' that's croaking territory over there.
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21:04:16 <esowiki> [[Intcode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79113&oldid=79112 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-18) /* Proposed Assembly Syntax */ wikipedia link
21:51:50 <esowiki> [[Decision shrub]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79114&oldid=78608 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-2) /* Example of a decision shrub */ I meant FIX before
21:53:23 <esowiki> [[Befreak]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79115&oldid=79058 * CatIsFluffy * (-8) smaller program based on the example on the page
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