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00:38:36 <esowiki> [[Mineso]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79371&oldid=72565 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-11) eso style
00:40:17 <esowiki> [[Mineso]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79372&oldid=79371 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+2) /* External resources */ deadlink, style
00:41:54 <esowiki> [[Template talk:Cn]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79373&oldid=62043 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+163) /* Why does the template link to xkcd's comic Wikipedian Protester? */ reply
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01:49:48 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79374&oldid=79340 * Unl256 * (+208) /* Introductions */
01:55:16 <esowiki> [[Tiangou]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79375 * Tetrapyronia * (+1084) Created page with "'''Tiangou''' is a derivative and wimpmode of [[Cerberus]]. It only has 1 line, which is a list of commands separated by spaces. All the commands correspond to one in Cerberus..."
01:57:09 <esowiki> [[User:Tetrapyronia]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79376&oldid=79360 * Tetrapyronia * (+28)
01:58:47 <esowiki> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79377&oldid=79359 * Tetrapyronia * (+34) Added Tiangou
01:59:50 <fizzie> Bluh. VS Code's git integration certainly isn't philosophically aligned with good commit messages: it's a single-line textbox with no support for the recommendations about line widths and such.
02:00:41 <fizzie> https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/85721 "Most people don't really want a full editor taking away workbench space. They just want to type a message and move on."
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04:12:08 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Scientificworld * New user account
04:39:46 <aaaaaa> shachaf: sleepy? :)
04:40:11 <shachaf> aaaaaa: I stayed up until 5 last night.
04:40:22 <shachaf> I'm not sure I should actually be attending.
04:40:36 <shachaf> It might make more sense to watch videos.
04:41:17 <aaaaaa> yeah, this is sensible
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04:54:15 <aaaaaa> I don't like videos at all. What is the sense to watch how someone download something, installs, etc.
04:55:18 <aaaaaa> Surely, video is the right format for cook or guitar lessons
04:55:43 <aaaaaa> But not for CS or math or programming
04:57:31 <int-e> Actually even for cooking and guitar lessons it seems more like a supplementary thing... you get to see how it's done, but there's still a lot of information that can be condensed into text and a few selected images.
04:59:31 <int-e> I absolutely agree with the sentiment, of course. Videos are hard to bookmark and hard to skim for relevant information.
05:17:27 <int-e> Oh and they're hard to annotate, too.
05:18:35 <arseniiv> math videos may be useful too, but I agree with int-e on for what extent
05:20:15 <arseniiv> like, showing low-dimensional geometric or topologic things and visualizations of many more concepts and something like that
05:20:16 <int-e> I suppose you can treat them as lectures.
05:20:48 <int-e> Meaning, something that makes it easier to hold your attention compared to reading a bunch of notes.
05:21:00 <arseniiv> yeah
05:21:58 <arseniiv> but notes usually don’t have animation so in several cases you need to know how to animate in your head, and some don’t seem to be lucky to pick that automatically
05:22:00 <int-e> Maybe even take notes along the way so you have a reference. This is all theory though...
05:22:28 <arseniiv> notes are essential too, I think the same
05:23:25 <arseniiv> I note how I forget books for which I didn’t practice on paper for some extent
05:23:26 <int-e> shachaf: how's your hiding spot?
05:23:39 <shachaf> No more hiding since last time.
05:24:02 <int-e> no more island hopping either I guess
05:24:44 <int-e> Hmm, the AoC solvers are slowing down.
05:25:33 <int-e> almost 11 minutes for the 100th to reach the second part
05:26:41 <aaaaaa> What is AoC?
05:26:46 <imode> Advent of Code.
05:28:15 <shachaf> Axiom of Choice.
05:28:51 <imode> Area of Concern.
05:29:32 <int-e> Anarchy of Confusion
05:29:53 <int-e> Appearance of Competence
05:30:20 <int-e> Absence of Confidence
05:30:38 <aaaaaa> https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/AOC
05:34:05 <int-e> `coins
05:34:07 <HackEso> goldbuntucoin barandcoin zetalitzcoin waicoin cakenemonkecoin maticoin ble-2dcoin xsamcoin burrocoin raczcoin sepaitcoin pingcoin sqrcoin stecoin eyecoin spaceapiflemargfallercoin ozocoin unlcoin wilson-texcoin zadicoin
05:35:08 <int-e> "eyecoin" will attract Apple's ire for sure.
05:35:40 <Arcorann> aaaaaa: http://adventofrealizingicantread.com
05:36:20 <imode> did you just
05:36:32 <imode> who owns that lmao.
05:36:55 <int-e> hmm Creation Date: 2019-12-12T15:19:41Z
05:37:32 <int-e> and why does it forward to day 8
05:37:52 <imode> where the hell did it come from.
05:38:04 <Arcorann> Don't know, it was posted in another channel a while back
05:38:18 <Arcorann> ##adventofcode, actually
05:38:28 <imode> baahahahahahaha.
05:38:32 <int-e> I produced so many bugs yesterday it was embarrassing
05:38:42 <int-e> today went way more smoothly
05:39:20 <int-e> (yesterday I also had a nice list based solution for part 1, which really didn't generalize nicely for part 2)
05:39:31 <int-e> (which really annoyed me quite a bit)
05:39:40 <shachaf> I registered play.contact the other day.
05:39:51 <int-e> why?
05:40:01 <shachaf> To play Contact.
05:40:19 <shachaf> The current implementation is a very rough proof of concept I wrote years ago.
05:40:33 <shachaf> And no one plays it anymore.
05:41:09 <int-e> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_(video_game) <-- not this then I suppose
05:41:28 <shachaf> No, it's http://mrwright.name/stuff/contact.txt
05:41:41 <shachaf> Except with a program instead of IRC.
05:42:07 <shachaf> I should write up rules for my variant.
05:43:40 <shachaf> I wonder who this human is.
05:44:10 <int-e> "destabilize"... OW.
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06:23:53 <zzo38> Finally, now I managed to get level 45 of the SANDY1 puzzle set to be initialized correctly. (Level 21 doesn't work; it results in a "type mismatch" error, due to a mistake in the level data itself. I am unlikely to fix this; the level designer should fix this. This is because many of the Switches have a Misc1 value of $Hero, and it is supposed to be a number.)
06:30:57 <zzo38> Do you like this?
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07:32:52 <esowiki> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79378&oldid=79374 * Scientificworld * (+160)
07:33:15 <esowiki> [[Md5sha1fuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79379 * Scientificworld * (+921) Created page with "'''Md5sha1fuck''' is an esolang invented by [[User:Scientificworld]]. ==Theory== Connect the md5 value and the sha1 value of the string together, detect all the characters o..."
07:35:48 <esowiki> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79380&oldid=79322 * Scientificworld * (+18) /* M */
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07:41:14 <esowiki> [[User:Scientificworld]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79381 * Scientificworld * (+28) Meow~~
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07:43:27 <esowiki> [[User talk:Scientificworld]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79382 * Scientificworld * (+35) Meow~~
07:57:57 <zzo38> Why does Hero Mesh have both Busy and UserSignal, even though they do the same thing?
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08:44:46 <rain1> hell
08:44:49 <rain1> hello*
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09:05:06 <aaaaaa> hello
09:30:10 <esowiki> [[SCAB computer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79383&oldid=68721 * Mscibett * (-3)
09:31:54 <esowiki> [[TOGA computer]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79384&oldid=68884 * Mscibett * (-4)
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12:15:14 <fizzie> I do like turtle graphics, but there isn't really anything particularly *puzzling* about it, is there?
12:15:56 <int-e> Is that how you perceive today's AoC? Hmm.
12:16:06 <int-e> Actually I was annoyed by the nomenclature in part 2.
12:16:18 <fizzie> You don't think waypoints should move?
12:16:25 <fizzie> As in, be relative.
12:16:29 <int-e> I don't think it should be called a waypoint then.
12:16:51 <int-e> so yes.
12:20:39 <fizzie> I tried out VS Code's Go extension for the first time for today's puzzle, and it's insisting that the `day12` package I added doesn't exist in the squiggly-line diagnostics of the file where all the days get imported, but from the terminal it works just fine, so something's off there.
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12:23:22 <int-e> It's bound to be some common but unnecessary convention.
12:24:10 <fizzie> Restarting the silly thing fixed it, which I kind of expected.
12:24:23 <fizzie> So I think some sort of a cache, but couldn't find any explicit action to refresh it.
12:26:16 <fizzie> Also still can't get over that git commit message thing. But the parts that do work just somehow feel more modern than Emacsing it (plus I just couldn't bear figuring out how to set up gopls and Emacs lsp-mode).
12:26:24 <int-e> vs code annoys me, it's too popular for something build on quicksand, I mean, Electron
12:26:33 <int-e> *built
12:27:15 <fizzie> It does seem to be very popular, yes.
12:27:22 <int-e> I also have to think of 100% CPU usage for a blinking cursor, though I understand they fixed that fairly quickly.
12:28:19 <fizzie> Oh, another positive: the diff view in the source control integration is nicer than Magit's.
12:30:09 <fizzie> But I'm still doing commit from the integrated terminal, which starts up Emacs for editing the commit message, which feels fairly silly. Saw on the Internet that people did have settings where you could get a new VS Code tab as the commit message editor, but I'd only want that when inside VS Code, and I don't think I can easily get that.
12:31:06 <fizzie> Well, maybe with some alias specific to the shell in that terminal, which passes the settings with -c.
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12:54:09 <int-e> emacs inside a shell inside another IDE... sounds fun
12:55:13 <int-e> I use vim for commit messages, somehow. Mostly because I don't expect to use any advanced editing capabilities and vim still starts up more quickly.
12:55:50 <int-e> Though maybe by now hardware is fast enough that it doesn't really matter. 10 years ago it still mattered.
12:56:28 <int-e> But I'm a creature of habits.
12:58:19 <fizzie> I used to use Vim for that too, for a long time.
12:58:49 <fizzie> Then as part of setting up emacsclient and $EDITOR and whatnot, that accidentally got changed too, and I just let it be.
13:15:39 <esowiki> [[Tiangou]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79385&oldid=79375 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+153) cats, hdr, link
13:17:40 <esowiki> [[Cerberus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79386&oldid=79366 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+25) /* Example Program: Truth-machine */ shtack
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13:48:48 <b_jonas> "but notes usually don’t have animation" => these days we have HTML (and all those computer algebra software worksheet software too), you can embed anything, even animation if it's helpful, or hyperlinks to other resources. such a useful invention.
13:49:10 <b_jonas> I don't see why "animate in hour head" is useful
13:50:15 <b_jonas> `? aoc
13:50:19 <HackEso> Advent of Code (AoC) is a series of programming puzzles that some regulars enjoy, found at "https://adventofcode.com/2020/about".
13:50:25 <b_jonas> aaaaaa: ^
13:56:12 <int-e> The HGC has not returned... I'm beginning to think that there just isn't a thematic virtual machine this time.
13:59:17 <fizzie> We're almost halfway through, I think that's getting quite likely.
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14:04:48 <int-e> Maybe there were complaints about tasks reusing code from previous days instead of starting from scratch.
14:05:05 * int-e is speculating.
14:05:10 * int-e likes speculating.
14:05:31 <int-e> shachaf: ^^this may interest you, I've found something I like.
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14:16:07 <fizzie> Here's a great VS Code + gopls behavior: I get "could not import" errors for (new-ish) packages inside the current module, but if I either open or close an editor window that has the `go.mod` file open, the problems go away. Keeping it open doesn't help: I have to either open or close an editor tab with the file.
14:16:12 <fizzie> Too much magic, that's what I say.
14:29:38 <fizzie> "could not import io (no package for import io)" this is getting ridiculous.
14:30:33 <fizzie> Don't know whether to blame gopls (it's in alpha) or VS Code (you called it quicksand).
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15:08:24 <nakilon> coming up with docs and tests is hard _-- at least while I'm just starting
15:08:49 <nakilon> spent the whole day on one instruction with a single test
15:09:00 <nakilon> complex test though
15:09:19 <nakilon> that discovered I had a bug
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17:50:53 <esowiki> [[Rogex]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79390&oldid=70976 * Lebster * (-4) lowercase (doh!)
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19:58:54 <shachaf> int-e: I thought you liked many things, and only this was an exception.
20:05:59 <int-e> this is awful
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