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00:21:07 <esowiki> [[Antigram]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79609&oldid=79604 * Quintopia * (+40) i had forgotten the name of this category
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00:53:25 <esowiki> [[Suicide]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79613&oldid=79608 * Quintopia * (+586) TCness proof
00:53:46 <esowiki> [[Suicide]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79614&oldid=79613 * Quintopia * (+6) /* Turing completeness */
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00:57:23 <esowiki> [[Antigram]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79618&oldid=79609 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+8) Links
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01:01:31 <esowiki> [[Talk:Number Seventy-Four]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79620&oldid=76563 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+209) Reply belatedly
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03:36:16 <Lykaina> hi
03:38:26 <Lykaina> i've discovered that my ECHIDNA interpreter gets messy and unusable when i run it on an Arduino M0 clone, the only *ino i have with enough ram
03:39:07 <Lykaina> to fix the problem, i had to remove graphics support
03:39:44 <Lykaina> i'm fine with connecting it to a serial term
03:41:26 <Lykaina> if i can just figure out the name of the secondary serial port internally...
03:43:03 <Lykaina> it's not Serial1 i don't think
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04:01:18 <esowiki> [[Antigram]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79628&oldid=79618 * Quintopia * (+1507) implementation
04:02:05 <esowiki> [[Antigram]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79629&oldid=79628 * Quintopia * (-3) formatting
04:02:25 <esowiki> [[User:Quintopia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79630&oldid=79584 * Quintopia * (+15) /* Interpreters written in Python */
04:03:10 <esowiki> [[User:Quintopia]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79631&oldid=79630 * Quintopia * (+60)
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05:17:30 <int-e> aaaah it moves!
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05:36:23 <nakilon> wat?
05:36:39 <nakilon> you gave me an idea
05:36:49 <nakilon> it does not have to be stdin to move through the code
05:37:10 <nakilon> it should be the program moving through the input, like a creature
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06:09:03 <int-e> hmmm... youtube really loves its autoplay doesn't it... they moved the control somewhere else *again*
06:10:33 <imode> to discourage you from turning it off.
06:14:36 <int-e> Yeah, that's the only motivation I can see.
06:15:44 <esowiki> [[Number Seventy-Four]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79633&oldid=76636 * Quintopia * (+34) Computational class category
06:18:37 <shachaf> But having autoplay on increases engagement!
06:19:05 <zzo38> It should be some command in the browser. Add a "pause application" command. The document can still be scrolled while it is paused, and forms can be filled, but scripts, CSS animations, animated pictures, audio, and video, will not work. (This is different than disabling scripts; you can pause and resume it.)
06:22:32 <esowiki> [[Talk:All Turing-complete languages are brainfuck equivalents]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79634 * Quintopia * (+201) Objection
06:23:34 <int-e> shachaf: Do you honestly believe that...
06:23:53 <shachaf> Yes, people probably watch more videos when autoplay is on.
06:23:58 <esowiki> [[Talk:All Turing-complete languages are brainfuck equivalents]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79635&oldid=79634 * Quintopia * (+1) Whoops
06:24:05 <shachaf> Or at the very least they click around more.
06:24:24 <int-e> shachaf: Do you mean people watch more videos, or that more videos are played on a computer that nobody's paying attention to?
06:24:25 <shachaf> I don't think this is a good metric to be optimizing for, and I always turn it off, and even if it accidentally autoplays an interesting video I refuse to watch it on principle.
06:24:34 <shachaf> I suspect both are true.
06:42:17 <esowiki> [[Talk:Queuenanimous]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79636&oldid=78274 * Quintopia * (+238) Reduction is wrong
06:42:50 <esowiki> [[Talk:Queuenanimous]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79637&oldid=79636 * Quintopia * (+62) My signature disappeared
06:56:55 <oren> I sometimes go to youtubers i like, hit all videos, turn adblocker off and autoplay on
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07:26:54 <esowiki> [[Antigram]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79638&oldid=79629 * Quintopia * (-61) That was something from an earlier version
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08:06:31 <int-e> (While I'm griping, they also make it really hard to play just a single video from a playlist.)
08:07:40 <shachaf> Without it autoplaying to the next video?
08:07:51 <shachaf> I guess the way to do it is to edit the URL to get rid of the playlist.
08:08:36 <int-e> shachaf: yes, that's what I've been doing
08:08:52 <nakilon> https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2020/12/25/ruby-3-0-0-released/
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11:47:39 <fizzie> Hmm, does it actually go to the next video automatically from a playlist? I've never noticed that.
11:47:59 <shachaf> I don't know a way to stop it, anyway.
11:48:31 <shachaf> Taneb: Haneb
11:48:39 <fizzie> Hmm, yeah, I guess it does.
11:48:41 <shachaf> Are you going to the solstice thing this weekend?
11:50:18 <fizzie> There's an "add to queue" function in the "show full playlist" interface, and if you add just that one video (and nothing else) to the queue, it plays just that one.
11:50:26 <fizzie> Though it may well be faster to just edit the URL.
11:51:36 <myname> youtube also seem to have random bugs in its playlist feature
11:52:20 <myname> like, if i finished a playlist and go to my subscriptions, the thumbnail does not belong to the playlist at all. and sometimes it even adds videos to it that i didn't put there
12:06:18 <nakilon> 14:47:39 <fizzie> Hmm, does it actually go to the next video automatically from a playlist?
12:06:26 <nakilon> yeah and that's how some shitty channels do
12:06:40 <nakilon> they create playlists putting someone's popular video in it and then their videos
12:06:58 <nakilon> and this playlist is randomly starting playing for you
12:08:11 <nakilon> myname when my Favourites reached 500 items Youtube started throwing a page-long backtraces with full paths on their linux servers
12:08:33 <nakilon> something about the "borg" internal library
12:10:24 <nakilon> interesting, pretty sure I posted it to /r/softwaregore but the post seems to be removed
12:10:48 <nakilon> did Google care to remove the post exposing their backtrace? ..D
12:19:11 <fizzie> I wouldn't expect so.
12:20:16 <fizzie> Certainly not only because it mentions Borg, that's so public there's been talks about it and all.
12:21:48 <fizzie> Smells a little bit like a bug-on-a-bug to get a stack trace though, most Google error pages are just those "something went wrong" kind of ones.
12:22:31 <nakilon> having the library called "borg" isn't secret
12:22:43 <nakilon> exposing paths is
12:23:34 <nakilon> anything exposing the internals of otherwise closed system is prohibited by default in such companies and that's a normal practice
12:23:46 <fizzie> Sure (that's why those error pages *are* generic), I just wouldn't expect them to go to the trouble of getting Reddit posts removed.
12:24:02 <nakilon> I just didn't expect that the post would be removed, I really can't find it now
12:24:18 <nakilon> idk
12:28:27 <shachaf> int-e: "mock" reminded me suddenly of _Max und Moritz_ -- did you read it?
12:29:02 <shachaf> "He, heraus! Du Ziegen-Böck! / Schneider, Schneider, meck, meck, meck!"
12:29:33 <int-e> that was ages ago
12:29:44 <shachaf> Yes, a long time.
12:32:45 <shachaf> Oh man, I forgot how that book ended.
12:32:48 <shachaf> What a moral.
12:35:23 <fizzie> Speaking of how things end, is that thing that animates on the advent calendar a hurricane?
12:36:27 <shachaf> Which calendar?
12:36:35 <fizzie> The AoC calendar.
12:37:12 <shachaf> Oh. Do you need to play to see an animation?
12:37:26 <shachaf> I don't anything but I think someone may have said something about a sea monster.
12:37:33 <fizzie> Yes, I think you need to fully solve it.
12:37:35 <nakilon> fizzie which percentage of those who solve at least one task have solved all of them? per year
12:39:13 <fizzie> The sea monster is static and appeared (I think) after the sea-monster-related day. But I think normally there's a final form after 50 stars that has some sort of a thematically appropriate animation (like in 2019 it shows your starship flitting from planet to planet, and in 2018 there's a moving sleigh), I just can't quite figure out what this year's one is representing.
12:39:54 <shachaf> Oh, I found a video.
12:39:58 <fizzie> Having a hurricane strike your holiday resort after you've finally gotten there might be on-brand for 2020 though. Not that I guess many people would be traveling in the first place.
12:40:07 <shachaf> Looks like a hurricane or something to me.
12:40:24 <nakilon> link?
12:40:48 <shachaf> Oh, maybe that's it, I haven't played enough Zelda to know.
12:41:02 <nakilon> lol
12:41:27 <nakilon> I mean do you have youtube link?
12:41:50 <int-e> shachaf: it's the storm that turned us around on the 12th
12:42:05 <int-e> I think
12:42:32 <shachaf> I only did one problem the whole month.
12:42:50 <shachaf> I already closed the video.
12:43:59 <int-e> Oh, I misread the context as usual.
12:44:19 <Arcorann> The sea monster is animated after 50 stars as well
12:45:05 <nakilon> ...
12:46:43 <int-e> The link is https://adventofcode.com/2020/ but that doesn't help you. I don't know where the video is, presumably youtube will find it easily if you go looking for it. Or maybe twitter.
12:47:33 <fizzie> Arcorann: Completely missed that.
12:48:00 <fizzie> int-e: Right, I guess it's just that known storm, not a last extra disaster.
12:59:03 <nakilon> I got it, that's just being a fragile dick because someone knows more about image formats
12:59:20 <nakilon> such a childish behaviour for IRC
13:01:15 <shachaf> What?
13:01:28 <nakilon> dude with the same nickname tried to start a flame about it few days ago when another one was triggered about languages
13:02:30 <shachaf> Who? What?
13:36:58 <fizzie> fungot: Did you notice I put on my fungot T-shirt since it's a celebra-day?
13:36:58 <fungot> fizzie: ( that t code will just give a bad example. ( ( ref-command set-font) " 9x15") *poof*
13:37:19 <fizzie> fungot: Come now, you shouldn't be ashamed of your own code.
13:37:19 <fungot> fizzie: for some reason my own ones don't mind
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14:25:09 <esowiki> [[PASM]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79641&oldid=79600 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+41) /* Syntax */ Spaces
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16:56:32 <rain1> change the rules of scrabble: You get 10 letters instead of 7. You get 5 magic tokens. on your turn you can play as many letters as you want, anywhere as long as they are next to existing letters and make words like normal. And you can replace letters already on the board to change the word.
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18:07:06 <zzo38> Happy Christmas today (if, that is, in your timezone!)
18:07:27 <zzo38> rain1: What are magic tokens doing and what happens to letters which have been replaced?
18:08:04 <rain1> lettters could be put back into the bag
18:08:10 <rain1> but i don't know about the magic tokens
18:28:14 <zzo38> Other possibility might be exchanging with your hand if you are replacing existing letters, but you must add at least one letter which is not exchanged
18:32:36 <rain1> ok
18:32:47 <rain1> and the blank tiles are mini whiteboards which you write the letter on
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19:23:44 <zzo38> I tended to prefer memoryless wildcards instead
19:26:06 <rain1> ok
19:26:09 <rain1> that is a better idea
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21:26:50 <fizzie> Heh. Added a Pohlig-Hellman solution for day 25.
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22:31:22 <int-e> fizzie: do you do the giant step, baby step thing as well?
22:32:27 <int-e> (or something else that gives you O(sqrt(q)) where p is the largest prime factor of the order)
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22:53:02 <fizzie> Yes, exactly that one. It's used as a subroutine for Pohlig-Hellman.
22:54:44 <fizzie> Not that it's at all necessary. In my case, trial multiplication takes 30ms, baby-step giant-step takes 0.57ms and Pohlig-Hellman takes 48µs to solve day 25. Or at least that's what `go test -bench . -benchtime 1m ./2020/day25` says, http://ix.io/2JxA
22:57:59 <fizzie> 20201226 happens to have no powers other than 1 in its prime factorization (20201226 = 2*3*29*116099), so I only really did half of the algorithm.
22:58:49 <rain1> Pohlig-Hellman? wow day 25 sounds interesting
22:58:55 <fizzie> But I think it's kind of amusing that in a sense it reduces it to day 13, because one step there is also to solve N congruences.
23:00:00 <fizzie> I mean, it's just a Diffie-Hellman key exchange. So it's interesting insofar as the topic is, not so much as it being a novel and puzzling puzzle.
23:01:00 <fizzie> But I think day 25s (days 25? what's the plural?) generally tend to be on the simple side. And they only really have a part 1, too.
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23:02:13 <int-e> and I still managed to spend 45s between the first star and the second star.
23:02:33 <int-e> despite having gone through it last year.
23:05:32 <fizzie> Heh. 30 seconds for me (06:39:57 → 06:40:27), but probably just because I had done 2018 right before.
23:06:30 <fizzie> My "personal statistics" page is more a "when did you wake up [and had nothing else to do] in December" page.
23:06:51 <fizzie> The smallest number there is 5+ hours.
23:07:44 <int-e> I actually got up on time for this from day 7...
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23:08:59 <fizzie> https://zem.fi/tmp/aoc/time.one.html -- 2019 is realy the odd one out there for day 25. Guess that text adventure wasn't really doable real quick.
23:12:50 <int-e> hmm, the times also support the feeling that this year was easier than last
23:13:15 <esowiki> [[Gene]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=79646 * Sinthorion * (+4110) Created page with "'''Gene''' is a language based on sexual reproduction of processes created by [[User:Sinthorion]]. == Core design principles == * A program consists of multiple processes (id..."
23:14:07 <int-e> (but looking at the top 100 may not be the best metric of difficulty)
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