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08:43:52 <esowiki> [[Finvara]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=79652&oldid=79328 * Tetrapyronia * (+15) fixed sentence
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13:36:01 <rain1> hello!
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13:49:35 <rain1> what do you prefer, arrows on pochmann color for supercubes?
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14:01:41 * CryptoKid Verry Fast bitcoin miner ! https://cryptotabbrowser.com/16879401 for crypto miners
14:01:41 * CryptoKid Verry Fast bitcoin miner ! https://cryptotabbrowser.com/16879401 for crypto miners
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14:04:10 <myname> lol
14:24:58 <int-e> "What is more, as a CryptoTab Browser user, you are able to participate in our referral program, where you can invite friends, promote CryptoTab Browser through social media and get additional earnings."
14:25:12 <int-e> I guess that's what we just fell victim to.
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14:27:18 <myname> that wasn't obvious from the id in the url?
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14:29:11 <int-e> myname: I wanted to figure out how much of a scam this is... https://cryptobrowser.site/en/faq/ suggests it's one of the most intransparent mining pools ever.
14:29:55 <myname> well, there is no such thing as fast bitcoin mining
14:29:57 <int-e> Most notably they don't say how much they take for themselves in fees.
14:30:28 <int-e> (Never mind people will obviously pay more in electricity than the bitcoins they earn are worth.)
14:31:12 <myname> yeah, nobody with a sane mind will use regular hardware for bitcoin mining, unless you live in china
14:31:22 <int-e> From the description, they may also be grabbing Google and Facebook login information.
14:31:45 <int-e> Or maybe not. It's totally unclear.
14:32:06 <int-e> In any case, that satisfies my curiosity.
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16:20:36 <myname> i'd love to have audio files for CV(N)(C)
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17:00:06 <fizzie> Hmm. One of those old-school source-filter-based speech synthesis systems could probably be tweaked to pronounce CV(N)(C) programs. For anything more modern (read: sample-based), I'm guessing the problem is no (mainstream) language's going to have a superset of the phonemes used in it.
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18:09:11 <arseniiv> <rain1> what do you prefer, arrows on pochmann color for supercubes? => oh, interesting. Didn’t know about both
18:12:22 <rain1> i think I will try to create a pochmann 4x4
18:14:03 <arseniiv> re CV(N)(C): θ f s ʒ really? No other good, non-English-centric fricatives in IPA? Where’s my favorite ɮ̃ʷː?
18:15:35 <arseniiv> uh, I mean creaky-voiced, not nasalized: ɮ̰ʷː
18:17:13 <arseniiv> though I need to agree splitting w into ɰ and ʋ is a good move
18:18:56 <arseniiv> but again my favorite ɥ isn’t present (that’s almost an jʷ or ʋʲ, or a short consonantal version of y)
18:19:31 <arseniiv> say [ɥa ɥa ɥa] it’s so great
18:33:35 <arseniiv> ah, and if anyone’s wondering what’s [ɰ̊] like, it’s almost like [x] which is what they say should be in English word “loch” though I’m not sure it’s not replaced by [h] even by many native speakers
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18:37:59 <arseniiv> the vocalism seems unbalanced though there might still be languages with something like that, but I would presume there aren’t and even if for one phonologists use the set of phonemes named for some reason /ə æ i u o/ (and not /a e i u o/), I bet their realizations in speech would fill the available articulatory space more than just plain “pure” [ə æ i u o]
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18:58:37 <arseniiv> also the description is too simple to describe what variations around e. g. /s/ are considered non-meaningful and silently allowed, what variations are treated as /s/ but would cause a lift of an eyebrow and what variations would be deemed to far to signify /s/ and would be treated as e. g. /θ/ or as nothing meaningful at all
18:58:37 <arseniiv> a serious description of a spoken language should at least try to describe that, as that’s a part of the language and what makes it different from other languages and maybe its close relatives; and a constructed language is almost surely should do more work as there are usually no traditions and hundreds of living speakers
18:58:37 <arseniiv> and without that description we may pronounce those strings almost as we see fit! I may well try realize /ʒuɰ̊fuʒʋu/ as something faithfully transcribed as жухфужву which is more or less [ʐˠuxfˠuʐˠˈvˠu] but phonemic contrasts *implied* in the CV(N)(C)’s description allow me to treat the former like the latter
18:58:37 <arseniiv> though FTR I would be unable to treat something like /θ/ as bluntly as there are both /f/ and /s/ present, and all three of them together won’t fit into Russian phonology without substantial cheating like realizing /θ/ as, well, maybe “soft” /s'/ [sʲ] as opposed to “hard” /s/ [s(ˠ)]. Or I may substitute anything at all:
18:58:37 <arseniiv> for example in Japanese there is a “moraic nasal” or what it’s called, /N/, which realizes as various nasal stops, assimilating with the next consonant, and there are far weirder phonemes in some languages
19:03:57 <arseniiv> though don’t believe me too hard
19:04:46 <arseniiv> but I hope I’m not too much wrong in all that
19:05:23 <arseniiv> the highlight of the rant is that you may pronounce that language almost as you wish
19:07:34 <arseniiv> as the specification isn’t detailed enough and the usual presupposition is that phonemes realize not too sharply and which speech sounds represent which phoneme is even context-dependent usually
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20:25:29 <b_jonas> fungot, does the One ring rule over and bind the thirty golden rings that your true lover gave to you?
20:25:29 <fungot> b_jonas: if it's in the default environment scheme48 provides, it can
20:26:38 <int-e> nde
20:27:00 <int-e> fungot: help, I'm typing nonsense
20:27:00 <fungot> int-e: good girl. me stay." fnord quest iv
20:29:34 <delta23> fungot: illuminati
20:29:34 <fungot> delta23: what does " native compiler" means in " select*": see fnord/ distros/ fnord/ fnord
20:30:31 <rain1> haha
20:32:37 <int-e> those stars and quotes, hmm
20:34:23 <fizzie> The handling of spaces in opening quotation marks has always bothered me, but not enough to fix.
20:35:10 <int-e> are *, : and / treated a punctuation? (no spaces before, one space afterwards?)
20:35:28 <fizzie> * I think is just part of word. : and / are punctuation.
20:36:14 <fizzie> The logic is something like, regular tokens always have a space before them, and I could fix trailing punctuation (comma, period, closing quotes and parens) by just omitting that, but I couldn't fix opening punctuation (open quote, open paren) because they would need to omit the space that "belongs" to the next token.
20:36:47 <int-e> ah, it's a dirty trick then :)
20:37:02 <fizzie> Yeah. Realistically it'd just need to set a flag somewhere for the next word to skip the customary space, but still.
20:37:34 <fizzie> Also, both opening and closing single and double quotes are rendered with ' and ", but in the token representation they're separate tokens.
20:38:27 <fizzie> 'UNK', 'START', 'END', 'PCDQUOT', 'PCOLON', 'PCOMMA', 'PCPAREN', 'PCSQUOT', 'PDOT', 'PELLIPSIS', 'PEXCL', 'PFROWN', 'PODQUOT', 'POPAREN', 'POSQUOT', 'PQUEST', 'PSLASH', 'PSMILE' -- that's the set of special tokens.
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22:01:21 <zzo38> I am trying to figure out a problem in Free Hero Mesh, having to do with the order of sending MOVED, DEPARTED, and ARRIVED messages. I made a message trace from Hero Mesh and Free Hero Mesh, and they match until one line where it starts to differ from there.
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22:20:07 <zzo38> I don't know, if someone else is able to help such thing; the test requires proprietary Windows-based software, and the SANDY1 puzzle set, which I believe is copyright, so I will not distribute it.
22:21:58 <rain1> interesting that it uses hamster archive
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23:13:34 <zzo38> I have tried several tests, and with the simple tests that I have tried, have been unable to find any individual thing that doesn't match (although sliding isn't implemented yet, but my tests have shown that the sequence of events involved here doesn't use sliding). I may be looking at the wrong things, though.
23:33:20 <zzo38> Do you have a idea of other test to make, though?
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