00:11:56 <b_jonas> plus there are short premium numbers (not directly addressable from abroad) of the forms 1???, 1????, 1????? where at least the fifth digit can still change the pricing
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00:16:00 <b_jonas> 1??, 1???, 1????, 1????? has all sorts of miscellaneous numbers, mixing free to call, normal price, premium, and even some exceptional ones that have nonstandard price but forbiding calls to premium numbers does not forbid calls to them. I think at one point even seven-digit ones of the form 1?????? existed, though they don't seem to exist anymore. many years ago, when they were still rearranging the
00:16:06 <b_jonas> phone numbering plan, there were also short calls of forms 0? and 9?? and maybe a few more, but those either don't exist or aren't advertised anymore (I suspect that a few emergency numbers that aren't in the current official plan, like 04, 05, 07, 911 etc might actually work)
00:17:31 <b_jonas> (the official general purpose emergency number is 112, which is the same in most of the EEC, and there are a bunch of country-specific emergency numbers for more restricted purpose, most commonly 104 for ambulance in Hungary)
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00:18:11 <b_jonas> (112 is the most useful one, because it works in every country, and works without a SIM card)
00:20:02 <b_jonas> (also works on many phones even when the keypad is locked)
00:21:26 <b_jonas> (and works with a SIM card but without a PIN code, which you think would be obvious if it works without a SIM card, but this CAT phone is so messed up that you CAN'T TURN ITS POWER OFF WITHOUT REMOVING THE BATTERY if there's a working SIM but you don't know the PIN code.)
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00:57:40 <kmc> I'm playing around with OpenSCAD
00:57:58 <kmc> i wonder if there are any parametric CAD esolangs
00:58:21 <kmc> perhaps ones that compile to OpenSCAD
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01:08:49 <fizzie> OpenSCAD really reminded me a lot of POV-Ray.
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01:22:07 <kmc> it's been a loooong time since I played with POV-Ray!
01:22:17 <kmc> I remember having fun though!
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01:49:26 * kmc coded a Menger sponge recursively in OpenSCAD
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02:06:10 <fizzie> I imagine I don't have any of my POV-Ray files left. It has indeed been a long time. I think it was back in MS-DOS days for me.
02:11:48 <fizzie> "Dos, Windows 3.1, Windows for Workgroups, SunOS and Amiga are no longer supported." :/
02:37:35 <moony> I'm tryin to figure out the smallest turing complete subset of the Propeller 2's instructionset
02:37:49 <moony> I'm thinking BITNC will do all on it's own if you permit predicates and flag control
02:37:57 <moony> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_vJk-Ad569UMwgXTKTdfJkHYHpc1rZwxB-DcIiAZNdk/edit
02:39:54 <moony> if an instr can set indvidual bits somehow, it can use the IO, which is register mapped, and that's enough to get you the infinite memory needed for TC without access to the on-chip RAM at all
03:27:41 <kmc> here is my menger sponge btw https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/c8d9975fd0733d9453ceec527db14bd0
03:27:52 <kmc> there may be a better way to do it, i've only started playing with this program
03:28:51 <kmc> I wonder if my printer (that I don't have yet) can actually print it... maybe if I rotate 45° and set it on an edge and use lots of support
03:59:54 <kmc> interestingly, OpenSCAD has both lexically scoped and dynamically scoped ("special") variables; the latter have names prefixed with '$' and are used for rendering quality parameters that you don't want to explicitly pass everywhere
04:00:23 <kmc> but I think users can define them for whatever purpose they like
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04:21:50 <fizzie> Wasn't there something that used *foo* for variables with dynamic scope? Maybe some kind of a Scheme.
04:23:33 <fizzie> Oh, I think I'm thinking of Common Lisp, and just a naming convention.
04:29:01 <esowiki> [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80337&oldid=80327 * Digital Hunter * (+761) /* Example programs */ added a fibonacci program
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04:44:51 <kmc> I have seen variables of that form but I forgot what they're used for
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06:23:44 <zzo38> Other idea I have about web browser, in addition to meta-CSS and some other CSS features only for the user, there would be some new CSS features which can be used by authors too, such as indexed colour specifications (which can ensure they won't clash), and colour specifications such as "background" and "foreground".
06:25:40 <zzo38> I would also omit many features or implement them differently, although some things can be done by extensions. Also would be possible implementing most extensions in C, including many of the standard features are extensions (including HTTP and other network protocols, HTML and most other file types, etc).
06:35:20 <b_jonas> kmc: perl also has both lexically scoped and dynamically scoped variables. the former are declared with my, the latter with local. actually local saves the previous value of a variable and unsets it, then restores the old value when exiting the current scope. usually you use local on a global variable, but you can local a lexically scoped variable if you want.
06:37:35 <b_jonas> zzo38: I think CSS has indexed color specifications (as in, you can define custom named colors in CSS and also reference them) these days. plus there are a bunch of pre-defined named colors that have some semantic meaning rather than a fixed color, like there's a pre-defined name for the default background color and text color. sadly I think there aren't *enough* predefined colors to just use those, eg.
06:37:41 <b_jonas> there isn't one suitable for warning/error messages, or one for emphasis.
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13:32:12 <esowiki> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80347&oldid=80325 * Seshoumara * (+10) added link to the sed page
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14:26:56 <HackEso> olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1224.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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14:42:32 <esowiki> [[Stupidc]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80350&oldid=80349 * Not applicable * (+2) /* Statements */ fix formatting
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15:30:27 <esowiki> [[Stupidc]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80352&oldid=80351 * Not applicable * (-2) /* lcd.scl */ fix header level
15:32:28 <HackEso> Thanks, HackEso. ThackEso.
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15:35:41 <HackEso> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEso `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ , bfbot =.
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15:36:23 <j-bot> arseniiv: |value error: thanks
15:37:05 <fungot> Thanks, b_jonas. Thonas.
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15:49:10 <lambdabot> I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I don't know that command
15:49:14 <fungot> Thanks, HackEso. ThackEso.
15:49:36 <b_jonas> and perhaps I should put a special case in HackEso's thanks command for when you thank him
15:49:42 <lambdabot> help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
15:49:54 <lambdabot> I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I don't know that command
15:50:06 <HackEso> thanks(1hackeso) - thank someone. thomeone. \ thanks(8lambdabot) - no description
15:50:23 <lambdabot> help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
15:53:13 <HackEso> Thanks, unicode. Thunicode.
15:54:08 <arseniiv> oops I thought ZWJ worked but it may be just that the word is vowel-initial
15:56:18 <HackEso> Thanks, ünicode. Thünicode.
15:59:34 <HackEso> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch [<output-file>] <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $HACKENV are persistent, and $HACKENV/bin is in $PATH. $HACKENV is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert, https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/ to browse. $PWD ($HACKENV/tmp) is persistent but unversioned, /tmp is ephemeral.
15:59:50 <arseniiv> fungot, don’t you have the same issue with thanks?
15:59:50 <fungot> arseniiv: hehe. someone here thought i was reading htdp before sicp? i've started reading it. slowly and repeatedly.)
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16:11:33 <arseniiv> ^echo `echo > "this is the last one I swear"
16:11:33 <fungot> `echo > "this is the last one I swear" `echo > "this is the last one I swear"
16:11:34 <HackEso> > "this is the last one I swear" `echo > "this is the last one I swear"
16:13:05 <arseniiv> fizzie: did you know HackEso reacts to fungot?
16:13:05 <fungot> arseniiv: ' that shold work.' you have a siemens and i have a c sockaddr struct! woohoo!
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16:16:39 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
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16:28:14 <fizzie> I did. There's no denylist on HackEso, and the other way around there's no automagic zero-width space escaping on fungot.
16:28:14 <fungot> fizzie: does it really matter that much. go with cs. and that's not just a uri library where uri objects are immutable descriptors with functional operations
16:29:06 <fizzie> But there's both of those going in the other direction: if HackEso says something beginning with a ^ (or >), it will put a zero-width space in front, and also fungot does have an explicit regex of who to ignore.
16:29:06 <fungot> fizzie: i think this is what i think is hella fnord does
16:29:10 <fungot> ^(EgoBot|HackEgo|HackEso|toBogE|Sparkbot|optbot|lambdabot|oonbotti|metasepia|ruddy|preflex|evalj|idris-bot|passwordBOT|jconn|applybot|blsqbot|fnordbot|termbot|otherbot|j-bot|esowiki|bfbot|egelbot)!
16:29:30 <fizzie> Lots of history in that list.
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16:30:09 <Taneb> I should make Pietbot again
16:30:54 <Taneb> iirc I got it to connect to freenode, join #esoteric, and then fail as soon as someone wrote a message beginning with )
16:30:59 <Taneb> I think it even identified with nickserv
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17:16:32 <b_jonas> "Lots of history in that list [fungot's ignore list]." => my default configfile for jevalbot has a lot of history in it too
17:17:05 <fungot> b_jonas: so, i want ' octet.' alex is wrong. i'm fnord that i could return a continuation of k just results in the shoes always coming untied
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17:27:24 <b_jonas> another of those esoteric sorting algorithms :/ https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/understanding-2
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18:24:48 <Taneb> b_jonas: isn't that very similar to Intelligent Design Sort?
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18:34:45 <fizzie> SMBC's been on a sorting trend recently, it sounds like. There was https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/list a while ago.
18:35:25 <fizzie> (Also it took me a long time to realize the "list" in the URL is in fact the title for that comic, and it's not one of those cases where the URL is a general-purpose thing not reflecting the thing you're looking at that you couldn't just copy and share.)
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20:42:57 <arseniiv_> <fizzie> Lots of history in that list. => was it all added and left in chronological order? neat
20:43:32 <esowiki> [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80353&oldid=80338 * Digital Hunter * (+358) /* Numbers */
20:44:21 <arseniiv_> <fungot> a continuation of k just results in the shoes always coming untied => wise
20:44:21 <fungot> arseniiv_: where the german part has bratwurst stands, the implementation is allowed to do ' fnord foo.txt' but it didn't get in the car. :p and onnellinen/ onneton.
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20:48:19 <arseniiv> was “bratwurst” that frequent in the corpus?.. :o
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21:05:57 <fizzie> It doesn't need to have been particularly frequent, I think just 2 or 3 times would've been enough.
21:06:26 <fizzie> I haven't had a bratwurst in a long time. :/
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23:58:08 <zzo38> More idea of Magic: the Gathering card: At the beginning of your upkeep, return the permanent with the earliest timestamp to owner's hand.