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00:04:29 <arseniiv> frankly I find interesting three words which sound a bit Polish to my ear: желоведейства, дружинскороже and поднаже (I used a list of words in various grammatical forms, as opposed to lexemes, so the letter distribution would be more live)
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00:06:16 <arseniiv> also a curious word is произведь. It alludes to произведение “product, production” and something like исповедь “confession” or медведь “bear” (noun)
00:06:54 <arseniiv> can’t place my bet what one could use this portmanteau for
00:09:19 <arseniiv> (it might also allude to произвол “arbitrariness, arbitrary decisions (with your disapproval of them)”)
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00:15:59 <kmc> preved medved
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00:21:24 <uignrsglks> arseniiv You might want to look into context tree weighting.
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00:32:10 <arseniiv> @tell uignrsglks thanks, interesting!
00:32:10 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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00:37:23 <esowiki> [[C Plus Minus Plus Minus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80509&oldid=80505 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+51) /* Implementations */ Cats
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07:00:52 <esowiki> [[RASEL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80510&oldid=80461 * Nakilon * (+2) /* Factorial */ forgot to about the latest conditional trampoline change
07:01:13 <esowiki> [[RASEL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80511&oldid=80510 * Nakilon * (+0) /* Nth Fibonacci number */ forgot to about the latest conditional trampoline change
07:07:17 <nakilon> damn I copypasted a typo between two edit messages
07:07:33 <nakilon> forgot to about *facepalm*
07:15:03 <nakilon> oh cmon
07:15:06 <nakilon> 10:14:44 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: 53 File size limit exceededcat xaa xab xac > rasel.jar
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07:48:07 <esowiki> [[RASEL]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80512&oldid=80511 * TaterTomorrow * (+0) Minor spelling and grammar fixes.
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10:01:31 <esowiki> [[Firstreplace]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80513&oldid=79325 * Abyxlrz * (-219)
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11:24:03 <fizzie> Yeah, that limit's a little draconian. But you've got to draw a line somewhere, and the bot's really not that convenient for "big things".
11:26:04 <fizzie> For "normal software", I can always install things with apt into the host container, where it gets its userland from. Not sure about Ruby gems; since there's no Internet access from the UML sandbox, you'd at least have to install them in an offline fashion. And $HOME is a non-persistent directory.
11:28:38 <nakilon> yeah, I could not easily find anything about providing ruby as a stand-alone folder so that's why I'm wrapping it in .jar and deleted files from it one by one to reduce size from 25.8 to 14.0 MB
11:29:22 <nakilon> but it does not look like it's possible to achieve 10, so I'm now googling how to split jar into two jars but no success yet
11:30:30 <fizzie> I think that should really just be a matter of splitting the files in any arbitrary way. As long as they're all in the classpath, I don't think it should much matter which file they're from. But who knows.
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11:30:57 <fizzie> (I can install plain Ruby on it though, if that helps.)
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11:31:44 <nakilon> I don't know Java and these things make no sense to me
11:31:58 <nakilon> I can't imagine how one jar would know it should go look into another one
11:32:24 <nakilon> > install plain Ruby
11:32:24 <nakilon> that would be awesome ..D
11:32:26 <lambdabot> error:
11:32:26 <lambdabot> Variable not in scope: install :: t0 -> t1 -> terror: Variable not in sc...
11:32:35 <fizzie> The jar doesn't have to, it's the JVM that does the class-loading, and I think it just iterates over the classpath.
11:33:05 <fizzie> Ruby 2.5 seems to be the Debian (10) default. Is that fine?
11:33:28 <nakilon> yep
11:36:07 <fizzie> `ruby -v
11:36:09 <HackEso> ruby 2.5.5p157 (2019-03-15 revision 67260) [x86_64-linux-gnu]
11:36:24 <nakilon> yay! thank you! I'll make something around that
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11:49:20 <fizzie> Just realized if I used the "upper half" / "lower half" block-drawing characters in a terminal for bitmapped graphics, I'd get pretty close to a VGA mode 13h screen. That's just bizarre.
11:49:24 <fizzie> (A full-sized terminal window with my settings is 319 columns and 94 lines.)
11:49:54 <nakilon> `` echo "116/7//.@" | ./rasel
11:49:56 <HackEso> 42
11:51:46 <nakilon> `` echo 'A"!dlroW ,olleH">:?@,Hj' | ./rasel
11:51:48 <HackEso> Hello, World!
11:52:03 <nakilon> not the best interface though ..D
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12:28:19 <nakilon> `` echo '"?yadot tuoba sthguoht ruoy era tahw tognuf">:?@,08-j' | ./rasel
12:28:20 <HackEso> fungot what are your thoughts about today?
12:28:49 <nakilon> hah, he does not respond to other bots
12:32:33 <int-e> we've had bot loops... they're never fun if the corresponding bot ops aren't around to stop them
12:33:09 <int-e> so many bots here ignore the other ones
12:34:17 <nakilon> > fungot
12:34:17 <fungot> nakilon: part of my problem like that, and you can't inspect the dynamic context any more, though
12:34:19 <lambdabot> error: Variable not in scope: fungot
12:34:23 <fizzie> Also, some subset of the bots add a non-breaking space if the output starts with a non-alphabetic character, to avoid trigger characters. (Of course that's not applicable to triggering fungot by name.)
12:34:23 <fungot> fizzie: from what i understand, r5rs is. srfi is " scheme in 5 minutes.
12:37:24 <nakilon> arseniiv since you are back, those words are cool
12:37:43 <arseniiv> ha :)
12:38:25 <nakilon> what did you use to teach it? a dictionary or a book?
12:40:18 <nakilon> you all know the thispersondoesnotexist.com
12:40:35 <nakilon> recently I randomly entered the url thiscatdoesnotexist.com and it appeared to be a thing
12:40:59 <nakilon> I would like to make a thisnewswebsitedoesnotexist.com
12:41:33 <nakilon> or just fakenews.com
12:42:04 <nakilon> oh wait this domain is already taken
12:44:01 <fizzie> Apparently there's both thiscatdoesnotexist.com and thesecatsdonotexist.com.
12:44:07 <fizzie> The difference is, the latter has more cats (at a time).
12:45:11 <nakilon> I resist so much to download them all
12:45:33 <nakilon> can use it to generate fake karma for reddit spambots though
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13:12:10 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Not applicable * uploaded "[[File:Gradient to black transparent.png]]": Transparent to black linear gradient
13:20:08 <nakilon> arseniiv https://nlpub.ru/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0
13:21:14 <arseniiv> tmi
13:21:43 <esowiki> [[Unfair]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80516&oldid=80494 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+24) /* Number cat */ cat
13:24:18 <nakilon> that's just a big list of the best libraries for NLP in different languages, might be helpful
13:27:36 <arseniiv> I’ll forward it to my NLP friends though, thanks! For myself I’m not much into real NLP (yet?..)
13:31:07 <esowiki> [[User:Not applicable]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80517&oldid=80504 * Not applicable * (+151)
13:31:16 <arseniiv> nakilon: ah one of them already said thanks :)
13:31:39 <nakilon> cool ..)
13:32:07 <nakilon> they might already know this resource though
13:32:13 <int-e> . o O ( there's nothing natural about NLP )
13:33:01 <NotApplicable> Is it illegal to do this on Esolangs for a user page
13:33:19 <NotApplicable> https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Not_applicable
13:34:27 <arseniiv> nakilon: possible! That was the case several times when I stumbled on something related and showed them
13:35:03 <NotApplicable> Should i change it then?
13:36:00 <int-e> NotApplicable: user pages get a lot of freedom, nobody really cares, I think... as long as no actual laws are violated and it's not spam
13:36:18 <NotApplicable> Ok, thanks
13:36:27 <NotApplicable> :)
13:36:37 <nakilon> int-e friends are natual
13:36:42 <nakilon> also they are language processing
13:37:48 <NotApplicable> Ai Dungeon is probably the best natural language processing for a computer
13:37:50 <NotApplicable> lol
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13:38:51 <nakilon> I doubt it is doing any language analysis
13:39:18 <NotApplicable> I mean, it *is* AI
13:39:22 <nakilon> it's just memorizing tons of text
13:39:41 <NotApplicable> And generating an output based on that text
13:39:52 <NotApplicable> Actually, look at this
13:39:58 <nakilon> ...
13:39:59 <NotApplicable> hold on
13:40:35 <NotApplicable> https://play.aidungeon.io/main/scenarioView?publicId=af4a05f0-cc52-11ea-a06c-f134f3d35cd1
13:40:46 <nakilon> it's hype and marketing
13:53:23 <fizzie> NotApplicable: What I think might be more of a problem are the icons. There's an overall CC0 license for all "content" in the wiki, it gets put on the bottom of every page, including user pages. And the GitHub Octocat logo definitely isn't CC0.
13:53:43 <fizzie> (Not to mention that file uploads are "global", not specific to the page they're used in.)
13:54:17 <fizzie> https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Copyrights and so on.
13:55:40 <int-e> hmm did I miss icons?
13:55:54 <NotApplicable> Ok, I'll go change that
13:56:14 <int-e> oh there
13:56:30 <NotApplicable> THe only problem is that I don't think you can delete images
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13:58:56 <esowiki> [[User:Not applicable]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80518&oldid=80517 * Not applicable * (-102) Removed icons due to copyright stuff
13:59:27 <int-e> NotApplicable: fizzie is an esowiki admin, there are ways
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14:00:17 <int-e> heh... this is hard to unsee: the github cat has a tentacle arm
14:00:34 <NotApplicable> Well, it's a cat-octupus
14:00:41 <NotApplicable> What'd you expect
14:00:56 <int-e> I always thought it was a tail
14:01:32 <NotApplicable> I think that's what they were going for lol
14:03:36 <int-e> hmm why is it an octopus... does it deal with octopus merges?
14:04:07 <NotApplicable> Nah i think i remember hearing somewhere that the founder just though it looked cool
14:04:29 <int-e> I also forgot about this version which is unambiguous. https://github.githubassets.com/images/modules/logos_page/Octocat.png
14:05:18 <NotApplicable> GitHub's mascot is an anthropomorphized "octocat" with five octopus-like arms.[54][55] The character was created by graphic designer Simon Oxley as clip art to sell on iStock,[56] a website that enables designers to market royalty-free digital images. GitHub became interested in Oxley's work after Twitter selected a bird that he designed for their
14:05:18 <NotApplicable> own logo.[57] The illustration GitHub chose was a character that Oxley had named Octopuss.[56] Since GitHub wanted Octopuss for their logo (a use that the iStock license disallows), they negotiated with Oxley to buy exclusive rights to the image.[56]
14:05:19 <NotApplicable> GitHub renamed Octopuss to Octocat,[56] and trademarked the character along with the new name.[54] Later, GitHub hired illustrator Cameron McEfee to adapt Octocat for different purposes on the website and promotional materials; McEfee and various GitHub users have since created hundreds of variations of the character, which are available on The
14:05:19 <NotApplicable> Octodex.[58][59]
14:05:26 <NotApplicable> ^wikipedia
14:05:46 <int-e> the name needs more Lovecraft... oc'thoc'aht
14:05:54 <NotApplicable> lol
14:06:20 <NotApplicable> At least it wasnt octopuss
14:06:25 <NotApplicable> that just sounds wrong
14:06:52 <int-e> Oh if it started out as Octopuss... things are beginning to make more sense.
14:07:57 <int-e> And yes I do see why they would change it... but it's the kind of adolescent humor I've come to expect from budding tech companies.
14:10:28 <NotApplicable> You know the githubassets domain?
14:10:34 <NotApplicable> go to the root
14:10:43 <NotApplicable> All it says is "welcome" and that's it
14:10:50 <NotApplicable> https://github.githubassets.com/
14:11:46 <NotApplicable> It's not even HTML
14:22:19 <NotApplicable> lol
14:34:42 <int-e> It works!
14:37:27 <NotApplicable> Anybody know what the home dir for HackEso is
14:38:11 <int-e> `pwd
14:38:12 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/tmp
14:38:32 <NotApplicable> Huh? That didnt work before
14:38:36 <int-e> `` env | grep hackenv
14:38:37 <HackEso> PWD=/hackenv/tmp \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ PATH=/hackenv/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ IRC_MESSAGE=`` env | grep hackenv
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14:58:43 <esowiki> [[Talk:Turi]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80519&oldid=80129 * Tetrapyronia * (-54)
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15:33:14 <nakilon> `` echo $HOME
15:33:15 <HackEso> ​/tmp
15:38:13 <fizzie> I always thought the OctoCat had something do with merges too.
15:39:02 <fizzie> And yeah, it's maybe a little confusing that the current working directory of each command != the home directory.
15:41:01 <fizzie> The rationale is something like, we want the cwd to be persistent but not version-controlled (to make it more convenient to do multi-step operations, but to not default to making a permanent commit), and we want the home directory to be definitely non-version-controlled because of all the programs that like sticking stuff into $HOME. I guess you could argue for making $HOME /hackenv/tmp, or
15:41:07 <fizzie> /hackenv/tmp/home, or something. But setting it to /tmp predates the existence of /hackenv/tmp, which was a later innovation.
15:42:20 <fizzie> (I'll take a look at deleting the images at some point, I did do it for some other upload in the past.)
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16:32:59 * nakilon never thought that $HOME and $pwd have to be the same
16:49:03 <NotApplicable> `? recursion
16:49:04 <HackEso> You might expect a reference to recursion here, but to make it interesting you'll actuallSTACK OVERFLOW
16:54:58 <nakilon> `? ?
16:55:00 <HackEso> ​? is wisdom
16:55:10 <NotApplicable> `? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:55:12 <HackEso> ​¯\(°_o)/¯ `? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:55:21 <nakilon> `? wisdom
16:55:22 <HackEso> wisdom is always factually accurate, except for this entry, and, uh, that other one? It started with, like, an ø?
16:56:14 <NotApplicable> `? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:56:16 <HackEso> ​¯\(°​_o)/¯ is a misspelling of ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:56:35 <NotApplicable> ``? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ | hd
16:56:36 <HackEso> ​`?? No such file or directory
16:56:53 <NotApplicable> `` ? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ | hd
16:56:54 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error near unexpected token `)' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: `? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ | hd'
16:57:01 <nakilon> I've spent an hour right now to come up with own way to mark up sentences and have marked up 100 news articles
16:57:50 <int-e> `` which hd
16:57:51 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/hd
16:57:52 <nakilon> about 6% of them are grammatically correct and funny but unfortunately you won't understand the language, lol
16:58:45 <int-e> `` \? '¯\(°​_o)/¯' | hd
16:58:47 <HackEso> 000000 c2 af 5c 28 c2 b0 e2 80 8b 5f 6f 29 2f c2 af 20 >..\(....._o)/.. < \ 000010 69 73 20 61 20 6d 69 73 73 70 65 6c 6c 69 6e 67 >is a misspelling< \ 000020 20 6f 66 20 c2 af 5c 28 c2 b0 5f 6f 29 2f c2 af > of ..\(.._o)/..< \ 000030 0a >.< \ 000031
16:59:11 <nakilon> actually marking up English titles would be much easier
16:59:25 <int-e> `unidecode °°
16:59:26 <HackEso> ​[U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN] [U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN]
16:59:33 <int-e> mm
16:59:48 <nakilon> I'll try some /r/programming feed I guess
17:03:43 <int-e> so the former has an extra zero-width space... no idea why
17:04:50 <NotApplicable> I think it's because it says it is the misspelling
17:04:56 <NotApplicable> but they look the same
17:11:41 <nakilon> there was another utility that actually
17:11:45 <nakilon> xxsomething
17:12:00 <nakilon> xxd
17:12:01 <NotApplicable> `` find xx*
17:12:04 <HackEso> find: ‘xx*’: No such file or directory
17:12:15 <nakilon> and I use hexdump for some reason on my machine
17:12:19 <nakilon> hexdump -C
17:12:21 <NotApplicable> `` ls /hackenv/bin/xx*
17:12:22 <HackEso> ls: cannot access '/hackenv/bin/xx*': No such file or directory
17:12:24 <NotApplicable> `` ls /hackenv/bin/x*
17:12:26 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/xkcdwhatiflist
17:12:37 <nakilon> `` which xxd
17:12:38 <HackEso> No output.
17:12:47 <nakilon> `` which vim
17:12:48 <HackEso> No output.
17:12:56 <NotApplicable> `` which ?
17:12:58 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/?
17:12:58 <nakilon> I believe it installs with vim
17:13:06 <NotApplicable> `` vim
17:13:07 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: vim: command not found
17:13:09 <NotApplicable> `` vi
17:13:10 <HackEso> ex/vi: Error: /var/tmp/vi.recover: No such file or directory \ ex/vi: Modifications not recoverable if the session fails \ ex/vi: Error: /var/tmp/vi.recover/vi.6b4N9d: No such file or directory \ Error: stderr: Inappropriate ioctl for device
17:13:16 <NotApplicable> ah
17:13:22 <NotApplicable> `` which vim'
17:13:23 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 6: syntax error: unexpected end of file
17:13:25 <NotApplicable> `` which vim
17:13:26 <HackEso> No output.
17:13:31 <NotApplicable> `` which vi
17:13:32 <HackEso> ​/usr/bin/vi
17:14:03 <NotApplicable> `` ls / -R | grep "xx"
17:14:12 <HackEso> ls: cannot open directory '/proc/1/fd': Permission denied \ ls: cannot open directory '/proc/1/fdinfo': Permission denied \ ls: cannot open directory '/proc/1/map_files': Permission denied \ ls: cannot open directory '/proc/1/ns': Permission denied \ ls: cannot open directory '/proc/1/task/1/fd': Permission denied \ ls: cannot open directory '/proc/1/task/1/fdinfo': Permission denied \ ls: cannot open directory '/proc/1/task/1/ns': Permission
17:15:11 <int-e> `which xxd
17:15:12 <HackEso> No output.
17:15:20 <NotApplicable> `` xxd
17:15:21 <HackEso> ​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: xxd: command not found
17:15:23 <NotApplicable> `xxd
17:15:24 <HackEso> xxd? No such file or directory
17:16:13 <NotApplicable> `` ls / -R 2>/dev/null | grep "xx"
17:16:49 <HackEso> No output.
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17:19:45 <NotApplicable> `` ls / -R 2>/dev/null | grep xx
17:20:21 <HackEso> No output.
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17:52:17 <esowiki> [[V]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80520&oldid=80375 * Bo Tie * (+84) Interpreter :)
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17:54:33 <esowiki> [[V]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80521&oldid=80520 * Bo Tie * (+0) too many edits
18:03:43 <esowiki> [[V]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80522&oldid=80521 * Bo Tie * (-25)
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21:48:42 <zzo38> Snow World Land {-} Snow World Land ;; All objects are snow. ;; {T}: Add {C}. ;; When ~ dies, add one mana of any color into your mana pool or return a non-snow world card or non-world snow card from your graveyard into your hand.
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22:49:32 <esowiki> [[User:Erinius/Ideas]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80523 * Erinius * (+79) created
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23:16:57 <esowiki> [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80526&oldid=80508 * Digital Hunter * (-1) /* 99 bottles of beer */ huh, one of my bounds was off! Verified using a still-unsure-if-it's-really-working interpreter
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23:26:12 <esowiki> [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80527&oldid=80526 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* Reverse cat */ substrings are weird. I'm probably gonna need to fix a bunch of programs just for this problem. I can't quite wrap my head around it.
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23:34:54 <fizzie> Hmm, wonder if this "postmarketOS" thing is any good. It seems to be pretty much the only potentially still maintained Linux thing I can find for a 2012 Nexus 7 tablet.
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23:55:30 <oerjan> @metar ENVA
23:55:30 <lambdabot> ENVA 032350Z 13008KT CAVOK M18/M20 Q1022 RMK WIND 670FT 12008KT
23:55:34 <oerjan> brrr
23:56:03 <fizzie> @metar EGLL
23:56:04 <lambdabot> EGLL 032350Z AUTO 21005KT 9999 NCD 05/03 Q1006 NOSIG
23:56:16 <fizzie> It was all spring-y here the other day.
23:56:18 <shachaf> hierjan
23:56:29 <oerjan> hichaf, hizzie
23:56:35 <shachaf> @metar koak
23:56:36 <lambdabot> KOAK 032353Z 25011KT 10SM FEW042 FEW095 14/07 A3021 RMK AO2 SLP229 T01440072 10156 20122 55013
23:56:52 <fizzie> Oh, that reminds me, I was supposed to look at deleting those file uploads.
23:59:48 <esowiki> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Fizzie * deleted "[[File:Reddit logo onwhite.png]]": Copyright violation: Accidental upload of a likely non-CC0 file
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