00:00:33 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds).
00:10:12 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1).
00:10:41 -!- hendursaga has joined.
00:10:51 -!- hendursaga has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
00:11:07 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds).
00:13:09 -!- Cale has joined.
00:13:30 -!- hendursaga has joined.
00:17:43 -!- clog has joined.
00:23:57 -!- gitlogger has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds).
00:30:02 -!- rain1 has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0).
00:45:16 <esowiki> [[Rattle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80671&oldid=80669 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+41) Headers, cats
00:49:56 -!- tromp has joined.
00:54:03 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds).
01:15:52 -!- ubq323 has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.3).
01:19:02 -!- hendursa1 has joined.
01:19:36 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds).
01:35:46 -!- MDude has joined.
01:39:25 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
01:43:59 -!- tromp has joined.
01:48:33 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds).
01:49:24 <fizzie> When you're forced by an uncaring god to do YAML, and you have a key that's supposed to contain an array under it, do you indent the - that marks each array element or not? Because AFAICT, both "key:\n- foo\n- bar\n" and "key:\n - foo\n - bar\n" are valid.
01:49:46 <fizzie> (And I feel like I'd prefer the former, but this example file does the latter.)
01:50:38 <nakilon> I let my language decide how to format it
01:50:59 <nakilon> and don't usually have such keys _Oo
01:51:46 <fizzie> I'd guesstimate most of not all YAML config files I've come across have at least *one* list of some kind.
01:51:49 <zzo38> Isn't YAML a superset of JSON?
01:52:14 <zzo38> (It does fix some of the problems of JSON, such as, comments are allowed.)
01:52:27 <fizzie> It might be, but I don't think it's a useful view of YAML necessarily, since it looks so different from well-formed JSON.
01:52:30 <nakilon> oh wait I thought you mean the array being a key
01:53:16 <fizzie> No, I just meant {"key": ["foo", "bar"]} in JSON terms.
01:54:06 -!- delta23 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
01:54:21 <nakilon> https://dpaste.org/eEaS/slim
01:54:28 -!- delta23 has joined.
01:55:30 <shachaf> fizzie: I think they're both valid but I'd probably tend to prefer always indenting the contents of a key.
01:55:49 <fizzie> That's interesting. It's also what the Python YAML dumper makes, and doesn't indent. And I was just leaning towards indenting, because it's what I've seen in examples, and like you mention, there's a consistency argument.
01:55:50 <nakilon> YAML basically gives you some space on your taste, noticed it when configured Github Actions since they are written by hand
01:58:01 <nakilon> I see there are probably indentation options though: https://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.6.3/libdoc/psych/rdoc/Psych.html#method-c-dump
01:58:25 -!- tromp has joined.
01:58:52 <nakilon> omg https://dpaste.org/TPOQ/slim
01:59:58 <fizzie> That looks pretty wild.
01:59:59 <nakilon> (that indentation arg appeared do be not relevant)
02:02:36 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
02:03:03 <nakilon> I guess once I tried to export something from python and import to ruby and either it didn't work or I used this canonical:true to solve it
02:04:30 <nakilon> YAML libraries tend to have vulnerabilities to be found once in a year so if possible I would also consider TOML some day
02:05:02 <fizzie> I tried to read the YAML spec the other day, and found it very slow going. Kind of thought it would've been simpler.
02:08:26 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Quit: hendursa1).
02:08:43 -!- hendursaga has joined.
02:09:45 <shachaf> I didn't. That's the top reason not to blame me.
02:11:34 <fizzie> I see a sort of familiar-shaped name there, but I didn't even notice, I think I was distracted by wondering whether "Ingy döt Net" actually has that as some sort of a legal name, complete with the ö.
02:11:38 <fizzie> (There's a lot of Finnish names with diaeresis, and it tends to be a problem every now and then with systems that make Assumptions™.)
02:12:07 -!- tromp has joined.
02:12:08 <fizzie> (What's the plural of diaeresis? Diaeresises?)
02:12:51 <fizzie> (Apparently, diaereses.)
02:14:44 <nakilon> we have two letters in Russian with these things above them
02:15:40 <nakilon> we put one of them under the '~' that is on the left from '1' and it's so hard to make people press such distant key so mostly we just stopped using it
02:16:25 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
02:16:26 <nakilon> it's Е and Ё -- so now there are holywars whether to use Ёё or forget it at all
02:17:14 <nakilon> another one is Йй but it's not in danger, maybe because it had a luck to be placed not so far on a keyboard
02:19:33 <nakilon> oh and since there are 33 letters in Russian alphabet that is just 1 more than 0x20 the alphabet was placed like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOI8-R
02:20:28 <fizzie> The UK keyboard layout uses that faraway key for the backtick ` and the logical not ¬ and, as the only single printed third-level ("AltGr") symbol, the broken bar, except that on this system it just generates the same regular bar that's already got a different key.
02:20:45 <nakilon> you see the codepage does not have Ёё and it was used as some control character in IRC and IIRC Eggdrop IRC bot was crashing because of it or something like that
02:22:44 <nakilon> oh wait, there is Ёё there but it's just in a weird position
02:23:28 <fizzie> We didn't really get a custom code page for an 8-bit encoding, so it was mostly just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_850 for DOS things. Kind of did a number on the line-drawing characters though.
02:25:40 <nakilon> this article mentions 1252
02:26:33 <nakilon> you needed to enable 1251 manually on Win XP or some software might show Russian as ???? ?????? ? ??
02:26:36 <zzo38> If you need to write a YAML file for something that uses YAML but you don't like YAML, you could just as well use JSON instead; and, if you are writing it by yourself (rather than using existing JSON implementation that you might already have) then you can add comments too. It does say YAML is a superset of JSON, so {"key": ["foo", "bar"]} is a valid YAML code as well as JSON.
02:26:58 <nakilon> that was among the actions you want to make after you reinstall windows ..D
02:27:44 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
02:28:20 <zzo38> I found one web page that if scripts are not enabled, it displays a link to the documention; that is good. But, the documentation doesn't work without scripts enabled; it just displays nothing.
02:30:36 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined.
02:42:34 -!- delta23 has quit (Quit: Leaving).
03:06:25 -!- tromp has joined.
03:09:47 -!- Arcorann has joined.
03:10:33 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds).
03:37:28 -!- MDude has quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)).
03:38:33 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds).
04:00:35 -!- tromp has joined.
04:05:12 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds).
04:37:47 -!- Sgeo has quit (*.net *.split).
04:37:47 -!- Taneb has quit (*.net *.split).
04:40:45 -!- glowcoil has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds).
04:40:45 -!- ocharles has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds).
04:41:30 -!- ocharles has joined.
04:41:36 -!- glowcoil has joined.
04:42:17 -!- Sgeo has joined.
04:42:17 -!- Taneb has joined.
04:43:41 -!- hendursaga has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
04:45:15 -!- df1111 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds).
04:46:10 -!- hendursaga has joined.
04:46:15 -!- wmww has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds).
04:48:26 -!- acedic[m] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
04:48:39 -!- none30 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds).
04:50:21 -!- Discordian[m] has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds).
04:54:16 -!- tromp has joined.
04:58:59 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds).
05:05:56 -!- hendursaga has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
05:08:11 -!- tromp has joined.
05:08:27 -!- clog has joined.
05:08:32 -!- hendursaga has joined.
05:12:19 -!- df1111 has joined.
05:13:10 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds).
05:16:02 -!- wmww has joined.
05:19:47 -!- Discordian[m] has joined.
05:21:39 -!- hendursaga has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
05:24:08 -!- hendursaga has joined.
05:24:12 -!- none30 has joined.
05:24:16 -!- acedic[m] has joined.
06:24:56 -!- hendursa1 has joined.
06:26:05 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds).
06:29:10 -!- ski has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds).
06:29:29 -!- ski has joined.
06:40:55 -!- LKoen has joined.
06:56:15 -!- tromp has joined.
07:00:24 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
07:30:35 -!- ArthurStrong has quit (Quit: leaving).
07:43:05 -!- tromp has joined.
07:43:46 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
07:47:25 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
07:49:57 -!- tromp has joined.
07:56:57 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds).
07:58:40 -!- imode has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds).
08:02:43 -!- hendursaga has joined.
08:03:31 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds).
09:06:19 -!- hendursa1 has joined.
09:07:39 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds).
09:10:31 -!- hendursaga has joined.
09:12:35 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds).
09:53:49 -!- edwardk has left.
10:25:23 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds).
10:38:37 -!- Melvar has joined.
10:38:49 -!- LKoen has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
10:39:40 -!- LKoen has joined.
10:58:05 -!- Arcorann has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
10:58:41 -!- Arcorann has joined.
11:00:25 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
11:00:53 -!- Melvar has joined.
11:02:59 -!- hendursaga has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
11:06:01 -!- hendursaga has joined.
11:21:33 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds).
11:22:00 -!- Melvar has joined.
12:14:17 -!- clog has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds).
12:29:06 -!- rain1 has joined.
12:56:05 -!- Arcorann has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
13:07:27 -!- Arcorann has joined.
13:08:19 -!- mlhesszV has joined.
13:08:23 <mlhesszV> /!\ this channel has moved to ##hamradio /!\
13:08:38 -!- mlhesszV has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
13:09:37 -!- drhaf has joined.
13:09:43 <drhaf> /!\ this channel has moved to ##hamradio /!\
13:10:05 -!- drhaf has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
13:11:43 -!- anzuofDp has joined.
13:11:45 <anzuofDp> /!\ this channel has moved to #nyymit /!\
13:12:24 -!- anzuofDp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
13:13:00 -!- Jan\Ni has joined.
13:13:04 <Jan\Ni> /!\ this channel has moved to #nyymit /!\
13:15:08 -!- Jan\Ni has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
13:22:44 -!- nakilon has quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))).
13:24:45 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
13:35:06 <fizzie> Heh, wonder how that happened.
13:38:53 <b_jonas> nakilon: I thought using е
13:39:43 <fizzie> Odd selection of channels for the spam, based on my biased view. Saw it on ##c, ##java, #perl, #scheme and #xmonad, but not on #android-dev, ##asm or #go-nuts. I don't think there's any obvious clustering that follows that boundary.
13:39:45 <b_jonas> instead of ё was an old thing that predated computer keyboards, sort of like that French nonsense of not using accents on capital letters, and ё got put in the worst place on the the keyboard because people weren't using it much.
13:39:51 <fizzie> (Oh, and here, of course.)
13:40:19 <int-e> fizzie: 'If opped in your channel you can ask Sigyn to unkline an user, /msg Sigyn unkline <nick>, you have a dozen minutes to do so after the kill/kline, it only works if the user was banned due to abuse detected in your channel.' ... hmm probably too late for that
13:42:21 -!- nakilon has joined.
13:42:58 <esowiki> [[StupidStackLanguage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80672&oldid=78597 * Lebster * (+30) /* Online */
13:44:12 -!- tromp has joined.
13:44:56 -!- arseniiv has joined.
13:49:29 <fizzie> int-e: Also, "it only works if the user was banned due to abuse detected in your channel", and Sigyn's not here.
13:50:06 <nakilon> was scary to be K-lined, lol
13:50:28 <int-e> I was not thinking properly...
13:58:53 <fizzie> Incidentally, I'm pretty sure `#nyymit` is a Finnish channel, from a suffix of the word "anonyymit", plural of en:anonymous, some sort of reference to that internet subculture thing. Not that I imagine they have anything more to do with the spam than ##hamradio.
14:03:08 <b_jonas> yes, we've had problems with Sigyn on our channel so an op eventually banished them
14:03:22 -!- kritixilithos has joined.
14:03:56 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
14:04:23 -!- Melvar has joined.
14:04:40 <fizzie> I think we had Sigyn here briefly, but this channel's so prone to repetitive bot-spam that's "working as intended" that I think there was a worry about that. (I know it's possible to allowlist, but still.)
14:09:32 <b_jonas> fizzie: twitch chat has two of these zealous auto-moderator programs, one maintained by twitch and one third party, that newer streamers sometimes put in their chat channel without knowing exactly what they do, and then have to reconfigure within a week when they find how much it likes to silence people who they don't regard as spammers
14:10:04 <b_jonas> (the first one is twitch automod, the second is nightbot. nightbot can be usable, it's just its default settings that are bad.)
14:12:08 <esowiki> [[StupidStackLanguage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80673&oldid=80672 * Lebster * (+5) /* Print the Fibonacci Sequence */
14:12:22 <esowiki> [[StupidStackLanguage]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80674&oldid=80673 * Lebster * (-74) /* Python */
14:13:53 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds).
14:15:51 -!- Melvar has joined.
14:34:13 -!- Sgeo has joined.
14:48:40 -!- kritixilithos has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds).
14:50:06 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
14:50:14 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”).
14:53:14 -!- kritixilithos has joined.
15:02:01 -!- xelxebar has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
15:02:19 -!- xelxebar has joined.
15:07:10 -!- kritixilithos has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds).
15:10:29 -!- tromp has joined.
15:15:31 -!- Arcorann has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds).
15:27:16 -!- kritixilithos has joined.
15:28:23 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds).
15:28:50 -!- Melvar has joined.
15:33:15 -!- MDude has joined.
15:36:45 -!- Melvar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
15:37:12 -!- Melvar has joined.
15:41:10 -!- imode has joined.
15:51:33 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
15:54:55 -!- LKoen has joined.
16:02:25 -!- sprock has joined.
16:24:31 -!- hendursa1 has joined.
16:24:52 -!- hendursaga has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds).
16:26:35 -!- tromp has joined.
16:33:49 -!- kritixilithos has quit (Quit: quit).
16:37:39 -!- delta23 has joined.
17:44:35 <esowiki> [[User:Sethpeace]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=80675 * Sethpeace * (+48) Created page with "Hi! This page is currently a work in progress..."
17:45:44 <esowiki> [[+-]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80676&oldid=78912 * Sethpeace * (+190) Added my interpreter
18:17:01 -!- dingwat has joined.
18:21:41 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
18:22:22 <esowiki> [[+-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80677&oldid=80676 * Sethpeace * (+4) /* Python */ Now says Python 3 due to incompatibility with Python 2
18:25:43 -!- tromp has joined.
18:30:05 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
19:05:13 -!- tromp has joined.
19:10:10 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds).
19:32:16 -!- tromp has joined.
19:51:35 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine).
19:52:36 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined.
20:00:40 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
20:04:48 -!- tromp has joined.
20:21:54 -!- xelxebar has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
20:22:11 -!- xelxebar has joined.
21:04:32 <esowiki> [[Brain:D]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80678&oldid=80634 * TaterTomorrow * (+6) Minor grammar fixes.
21:18:37 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
21:42:39 -!- tromp has joined.
21:45:51 -!- hendursaga has joined.
21:46:46 -!- hendursa1 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds).
22:00:00 <esowiki> [[Inject]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=80679&oldid=80662 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+94) /* Truth-machine */ Cat program
22:06:26 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
22:07:43 -!- MDude has quit (Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)).
22:18:03 -!- Arcorann has joined.
22:24:54 -!- tromp has joined.
22:44:53 -!- clog has joined.
22:48:38 -!- MDude has joined.
22:50:47 -!- hendursaga has quit (Quit: hendursaga).
22:51:08 -!- hendursaga has joined.
22:58:31 -!- tromp has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
23:05:06 -!- arseniiv has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds).
23:11:59 -!- q41213 has joined.
23:14:11 -!- rain1 has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0).
23:21:45 <zzo38> What should be call the variable that causes the beginning phase and ending phase to be skipped?
23:25:51 -!- LKoen has quit (Quit: “It’s only logical. First you learn to talk, then you learn to think. Too bad it’s not the other way round.”).
23:30:29 -!- tromp has joined.
23:35:19 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds).
23:42:03 -!- tromp has joined.
23:43:19 -!- tromp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer).
23:44:39 -!- b_jonas has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds).
23:44:57 -!- tromp has joined.
23:46:46 -!- b_jonas has joined.
23:50:57 -!- tromp has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds).
23:57:16 -!- q41213 has quit (Quit: Connection closed).