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13:51:24 <esowiki> [[Zirconium]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82437&oldid=82335 * RocketRace * (+2) italic
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14:43:10 <grimler32> Evil People Messed with my LIFE! Are there any universe editors here with access to the 4 bit 3 dimensional god code at the multiverse level??
14:46:34 <myname> are you sure you are correct here?
14:47:06 <myname> if it's really 4 bits, it should be easy to guess, though. 4 bits are 16 different codes
14:50:13 <grimler32> yes the timethreads are written in 4 bit 3 dimensional code
14:51:14 <myname> that shit is hillarious
14:52:41 <myname> 3-dimensional binary digits are still binary digits
14:54:58 <Taneb> `welcome grimler32
14:55:00 <HackEso> grimler32: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <https://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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17:01:23 <b_jonas> "<myname> if it's really 4 bits, it should be easy to guess, though." => not really. that's like saying making organisms from DNA is easy because they're decoded in blocks of 6 bits so there are only 64 different codes
17:03:00 <myname> yeah, but only because you have multiple blocks
17:03:08 <myname> multiple different ones
17:03:18 <myname> so the code is really a whole lot longer
17:04:08 <b_jonas> myname: yes, and the universe probably also doesn't just have one 4 bit block
17:04:19 <b_jonas> I mean that wouldn't even really be 3 dimensional
17:04:30 <int-e> That reminds me of one time when marketing decided advertising 1 bit DACs for CD players was a good idea...
17:04:34 <myname> i wouldn't call it "a 4 bit code" then
17:06:09 <myname> int-e: wat
17:07:00 <int-e> myname: It was the late 90s. You can still find traces of it on the Internet. https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=9959.0 is one example.
17:08:17 <int-e> I /guess/ it's really a pulse code thing plus a low pass filter... so mostly, just cheap.
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17:17:04 <kmc> yeah it's a funny terminology to the layman
17:17:41 <kmc> but sigma-delta is actually a really good way to make an audio-frequency DAC
17:19:02 <fizzie> Heh, I think I had one of those devices with a "1-bit DAC" or some-such label on it.
17:19:11 <kmc> basically, digital logic is so much faster than audio frequency that you can get all the resolution you need on the time axis
17:20:51 <kmc> it's also a good way to make very efficient audio amplifiers (known as a class-D amplifier)
17:20:57 <int-e> kmc: sure, it worked. It's the step from implementation detail to marketing term that I never understood.
17:21:06 <fizzie> The box I currently use to listen to things has a logo with the text "24/384 upsampling" printed on it, which is less amusing.
17:21:23 <int-e> (Probably still works, but it's not longer used for marketing... as far as I'm aware :P)
17:21:31 <esowiki> [[Seoul]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82450&oldid=82440 * Threesodas * (+1) /* Math */
17:22:14 <int-e> fizzie: 16 times!
17:22:42 <fizzie> According to the specs, the DAC in it is in fact a sigma-delta kind of a thing, but they've opted to not print "1-bit" on it.
17:23:46 <esowiki> [[Seoul]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82451&oldid=82450 * Threesodas * (+51) /* Math */
17:24:36 <int-e> :)
17:30:48 <kmc> it is interesting to me how sigma delta DAC, class-D amplifier, and switch-mode power supply are related
17:31:17 <kmc> a power supply is like an amplifier with a constant input
17:34:05 <kmc> i think you can build a pure sine wave inverter this way too
17:34:12 <kmc> now i wonder if... yep https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/use-your-stereo-amplifier-as-an-ac-power-supply/
17:36:35 <int-e> kmc: Hah, I missed a punny opportunity there. "I understand that this is sound technology, but I don't get how it became a marketing term."
17:36:40 <kmc> http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-nixie/
17:38:12 <kmc> int-e: hehe
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19:33:09 <b_jonas> "<kmc> basically, digital logic is so much faster than audio frequency that you can get all the resolution you need on the time axis" => which is funny, because all the audio tech guys keep swearing that you should transfer audio on analog cables only, not digital and especially not bluetooth, because the latency or the quality will be terrible with digital.
19:33:16 <b_jonas> (and they're right.)
19:34:58 <zzo38> Yes, it is one reason for the audio to be used with Digi-RGB to be analog, even though the video is digital. (Other reason is for simplicity; there is no need for digital audio, although digital video is helpful.) (I had done (partially) the design for Digi-RGB, which is video only, but is meant to be used with analog audio.)
19:35:02 <kmc> with latency they might have a point
19:35:16 <kmc> but I think audiophiles are usually full of shit
19:35:21 <zzo38> I had also seen suggestion using balanced wires; will that help better too?
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19:36:35 <kmc> bluetooth audio is likely to be shit because it's compressed and because bluetooth is shit and never works right
19:38:13 <kmc> anyway my statement was just about DAC design not about audio systems in general
19:38:58 <b_jonas> `` coins # https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/nanacoin
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19:39:50 <b_jonas> kmc: yes, that more or less describes bluetooth
19:40:15 <int-e> kmc: https://www.amazon.com/Monolith-USB-Digital-Audio-Cable/dp/B07Q8X5H5T :-)
19:40:34 <int-e> kmc: (re: "but I think audiophiles are usually full of shit")
19:40:46 <kmc> only $15? it should be like $5,000 if it's really "audiophile grade"
19:41:02 <int-e> kmc: yes the price tag surprised me too
19:41:13 <zzo38> Audio signals should be digital for storage but analog for playback, I think.
19:41:18 <int-e> kmc: but all the rest (the list of features) is in line with expectations
19:42:10 <zzo38> Do you think it is a good idea? For connecting speakers and stuff like that, use analog; for recordings, you can use digital recoredings since the way that analog recordings are stored is of low quality.
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19:43:17 <zzo38> What is your experience of using balanced wires for audio?
19:43:30 <b_jonas> as for consumer audio. right now I have to work from home, so I have a work laptop at home. we have audio calls with coworkers on it. and I have to use its built-in microphone. why? I have multiple usable external microphones at home. I use them all the time to audio call my family on my home computer. but I can't plug them into the notebook, because the notebook AND its docking station only has single
19:43:36 <b_jonas> round audio sockets with combined headsets, which I can only use as a speaker output, whereas my external microphones plug into a separate microphone socket, even the headset which has two round plugs, one for speaker and one for microphone.
19:43:37 <int-e> kmc: fwiw my search terms were: "gold plated shielded usb audio cable" and this was the first or second hit
19:44:21 <int-e> kmc: I'm sure with a bit more digging I'd find something in the expected $100+ price range
19:44:24 <b_jonas> in theory you can also connect a bluetooth headset to the notebook, but they never work well, though I suspect that's the fault of the cheap bluetooth headsets that I have here, not exclusively the notebook's fault.
19:44:45 <zzo38> I think that wireless connections are just bad for many things in general
19:46:38 <b_jonas> is the "37 years ago" in that smbc a reference to anything in particular?
19:46:43 <b_jonas> 37 years ago was....
19:46:58 <b_jonas> ``` echo $[$(date +%Y)-37]
19:47:00 <HackEso> 1984
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19:49:02 <zzo38> Analog audio uses separate wires for each channel, whichI think is more useful if you want to split them and stuff like that too. HDMI isn't very good in my opinion
19:49:02 <esowiki> [[Seoul]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82457&oldid=82456 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-52) Should be categorized correctly now
19:50:17 <int-e> b_jonas: I'd object that ball-point pens don't have variable line width
19:51:03 <zzo38> Do you often need to write with variable line width? (Maybe if you are writing shorthand, which I think uses thin lines and thick lines)
19:52:17 <int-e> b_jonas: 1984 is always a good reference I guess
19:53:00 <b_jonas> zzo38: that smbc shows an excerpt from the book, and you can see the variable line width
19:53:25 <kmc> b_jonas: you can get a splitter for those combined heatset jacks for cheap
19:53:30 <b_jonas> the "perfect cursive" itself doesn't imply variable line width, there are styles of cursive that use a fixed line width
19:53:45 <fizzie> int-e: Does a 1100 € Ethernet cable count? https://jcat.eu/product/signature-lan-cable/
19:53:55 <kmc> zzo38: i agree, things should only be wireless if there is a good reason
19:54:07 <fizzie> "Most likely the best sounding Ethernet cable available", they say.
19:54:19 <b_jonas> kmc: walking around my aparment while talking to my family is a good reason
19:54:38 <int-e> "Availalbe in 1 meter length exclusively"
19:54:39 <fizzie> "Purest silver & gold conductor offers unbelievable listening pleasure." Yeah, I certainly don't believe some of the things on this page.
19:54:40 <b_jonas> it's even better when my brother is talking to me while he's chasing his three kids
19:55:02 <kmc> my wife's work headphones are wireless and the battery is constantly running down. you can plug the headphones with an audio cable but it still uses the battery in that case
19:55:10 <kmc> so she has to borrow my dumb wired headphones
19:55:13 <int-e> fizzie: It does, except that it feels like it may be a joke.
19:55:15 <kmc> dumb because they always work ;)
19:55:31 <fizzie> "World’s best RJ45 connectors exclusive for JCAT – MFP8 IE GOLD from Japan Telegaertner Limited the same as being used at the International Space Station (ISS)". How can it be exclusive to JCAT if they also use it on the ISS?
19:56:31 <fizzie> int-e: I got to their store page from https://audiobacon.net/2019/11/02/the-jcat-signature-lan-a-1000-ethernet-cable/
19:56:35 <int-e> fizzie: the ISS is outside of the jurisdiction that determines exclusiveness
19:57:16 <fizzie> The review says you can still hear the difference even if you stream over wifi.
19:57:20 <zzo38> Sometimes you might want to apply filters, effects, mixing, etc to audio signals. Also for this purpose, I think that analog is better for wiring and digital is better for recording. (In the case of internet, it is a recording which is being received and played back on your computer, so digital is appropriate.)
19:58:05 <int-e> fizzie: maybe part of the shielding is made of piezo crystals
19:58:26 <zzo38> When it goes wrong, the ways in which it goes wrong differ depending on analog or digital, and some people may have different preferences, also different ways may be appropriate in different circumstances.
19:58:30 <int-e> (powered somehow, I don't want to overthink it)
19:59:36 <fizzie> The same shop does have a 900 € USB cable too. And yeah, it can sometimes be a little hard to know when people are serious about these things; I think they probably are (at least in the sense that they'll take your money, I mean), but I'm not about to test that hypothesis.
20:00:22 <kmc> I put it in roughly the same category as the ads I get for "5G negative orgone energy blockers"
20:00:31 <int-e> fizzie: it's the restriction to 1m length that really irritates me in the case of that ethernet cable.
20:00:42 <kmc> magic sticker you put on your phone that "blocks EMF" without, you know, affecting the functionality of the phone
20:01:02 <kmc> lots of people swear by these devices of course
20:01:04 <int-e> fizzie: I'm cynical enough to believe the rest, including the price tag
20:01:10 <kmc> but I doubt they could tell the difference if it were replaced with a placebo
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20:05:06 <fizzie> I'm using an external USB DAC, which is maybe a little bit of an "audiophile" thing to do, but that's coming from a succession of motherboard-integrated computer audio solutions™ that had actually properly audible noise, in the "I can hear when I'm moving my mouse cursor" level.
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20:05:20 <fizzie> (It's a Cambridge Audio "DacMagic Plus", which I got mostly because it's got an external volume knob and a headphone out. Although I'm a bit annoyed that the volume control is all in software, and there's no display, so it's hard to have "defaults" for the volume. I'd really like it if they'd offer those controls over the USB interface somehow.)
20:08:24 <catern> hi #esoteric, please validate that this is funny: new project: add an effect system to colorForth
20:08:55 <zzo38> catern: Do you have details?
20:09:01 <esowiki> [[User:Hyperdawg]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=82458&oldid=82023 * Hyperdawg * (-29)
20:09:43 <catern> zzo38: well colorforth has colors, and "what color is your function" is a classic article about effect annotations that is going again around lately
20:10:40 <zzo38> I think the different colours are used depending on definition, use, numbers, etc
20:11:30 <catern> yes
20:11:37 <catern> they're completely different meanings of color
20:11:39 <catern> that's why it's funny
20:12:44 <zzo38> OK
20:13:28 <catern> no-one gets my funny joke ;_;
20:13:46 <zzo38> Actually, I believe you now that you explained it
20:18:21 <catern> yo dawg, I heard you like colors, so I put colors in your colors so you can color while you color
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23:55:01 <zzo38> I made up a PC-like code page for "old Germanic", including all runes, and a few extended Latin alphabets used for writing Old English in Latin alphabets too, and has eleven characters which are not in Unicode. I think there is one esolang that uses runes, and should work better with such an encoding rather than Unicode because it uses some characters that aren't in Unicode.
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