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00:44:55 <b_jonas> fungot, what's the difference between a teeter-totter and a kitty-corner?
00:44:55 <fungot> b_jonas: not recommended. i will
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00:55:02 <zzo38> I made up a (currently incomplete) list of code page numbers, mainly based on the IBM code page numbers, but secondarily Microsoft and FreeDOS, and some new assignments; none of the new assignments are considered to be finalized yet, though.
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05:04:03 <nakilon> so I finally started making the comparison table of pastebins https://i.imgur.com/FunBBR3.png
05:08:09 <zzo38> OK, also add sprunge, and also add a column if it is working without JavaScripts/CSS, column for syntax highlighting at all (you have preview, but not about at all), and possibly some others
05:08:28 <zzo38> It is also helpful to have available the table as text or CSV, rather than a picture
05:10:15 <zzo38> You might also add question marks for unknown data
05:11:12 <zzo38> Sprunge has only unlisted mode
05:19:28 <nakilon> looks like their form is broken, it does not open at all https://i.imgur.com/Y6CQ3FG.png
05:20:59 <zzo38> It is a link with a data: URI; try copying the link and then pasting it to the address bar. Some browsers and some browser extensions might not support direct links to data: URIs.
05:21:58 <zzo38> (Also, you can still use curl even if the HTML form doesn't work.)
05:22:40 <zzo38> (Although I don't know why they don't just include the form inline instead of using a data: URI)
05:32:08 <nakilon> "08:08:29 <zzo38> It is also helpful to have available the table as text or CSV, rather than a picture" -- this will go here https://github.com/Nakilon/pcbr-demo so you'll have both text and markdown table after it runs the ranking
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08:04:00 <nakilon> "column for syntax highlighting at all" -- the number of supported langs = 0 means no syntax highlight available
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09:54:54 <nakilon> made a table of 15 pastebins https://i.imgur.com/V65WXW2.png
09:55:21 <nakilon> can't really rank them though, too many columns
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09:56:23 <myname> it's funny how you decided not to put it in one of those pastebins
09:57:33 <nakilon> the table is too wide though
09:58:22 <FireFly> surely not a problem when just served as plaintext? that usually doesn't wordwrap
09:58:33 <FireFly> (but yes indeed, it would be more useful as an actual text table than a screenshot..)
10:00:26 <FireFly> gist.github.com should have fork=1, no?
10:00:56 <nakilon> it's here https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Nakilon/pcbr-demo/master/pastebins.txt
10:04:57 <b_jonas> wait, you made a list of pastebins and you share it as a png image of all things?
10:05:22 <int-e> no https://paste.debian.net/ and no http://mathb.in/ :-P
10:05:49 <int-e> (these are the ones I tend to use; the latter is rather special purpose though)
10:05:56 <b_jonas> nakilon: you could add dpaste.com
10:07:08 <nakilon> hm, I look at https://bsd.to/ now and it's for some reason pretty much the same as dpaste
10:07:22 <int-e> let's face it... everyone and their dog has a pastebin on the internet
10:08:19 <nakilon> I wanted to make this table back in 2008 or something
10:09:17 <nakilon> probably half of them is dead now https://i.imgur.com/LEWMSOA.png
10:10:58 <b_jonas> nakilon: plus there's some program evaluator sites work as pastebins too, including https://ideone.com/ https://rextester.com/ https://play.rust-lang.org/
10:11:20 <nakilon> ideally I need to make a JS web page that would allow you to chose the columns you care about to rank the list personally for you but I'm yet to make such page, can't ass myself to implement the algorithm in JS
10:11:29 <b_jonas> half of them is dead now => true, I have link to some dead ones too
10:11:45 <nakilon> b_jonas yeah, I think I'll exclude the evaluators though
10:11:56 <b_jonas> hpaste, set up by haskellers, was a particularly unique one in that it was configured to a very short max length limit of the paste
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10:15:15 <nakilon> heh, I remember, I wanted to make this table for a post on a popular Russian IT blog platform
10:15:25 <nakilon> but my karma went to -100 before I finished
10:17:17 <nakilon> so I was unable to post it, heh, people deprived themselves a content they would love to have
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10:20:34 <nakilon> ah, I see, https://bsd.to/ "looks like dpaste" because it's opensource -- probably just different configured limits and domain age
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10:34:29 <nakilon> omg debian pastebin has XML RPC as API, idk how I will test its size limits
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10:36:11 <nakilon> nvm, I'll test the web form
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10:48:52 <nakilon> why not hardcode the width of the table cell, right?... http://vpaste.net/stat
10:52:02 <b_jonas> nakilon: hardcoding the width is fine, but you implement it as printf " %4d" to handle overflows gracefully
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11:26:25 <nakilon> for some reason http://vpaste.net/ and https://paste.tomsmeding.com/ have suspiciously similar size limit of 130'000
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12:21:28 <nakilon> added more pastebins, deleted more columns -- it finally made some ranking possible: https://i.imgur.com/QcdYy0Q.png
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12:38:59 <nakilon> omg indeed, every large channel here has own pastebin in topic
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12:39:57 <myname> that's not surprising. pastebins are easy to set up and if you are large enough, you may be concerned with data privacy
12:40:18 <myname> and also with persistence
12:42:45 <nakilon> saying about persistence -- about 3/4 of that 2010 list is dead
12:43:29 <nakilon> and the most hated -- pastebin.com -- the oldest that survived
12:43:56 <nakilon> no info on if the pastes survived though
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13:24:57 <b_jonas> myname: and with legal issues with hosting illegal third party content and having to remove them on request
13:27:11 <b_jonas> nakilon: I don't think pastebin.com survived. I think they stopped but the domain name got bought by some other paste site, possibly by pastebin.org
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15:22:32 <nakilon> after reaching 28 pastebins the sprunge has got a competitor -- paste.the-compiler.org
15:22:44 <nakilon> and the worst one is paste.nginx.org
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16:19:03 <zzo38> OK, look like that table is good.
16:19:42 <zzo38> However, in comparison tables like that I find it useful to add footnotes; when doing myself, or on Wikipedia, such things are done.
16:25:14 <zzo38> There may also be data which is non-numeric, including which protocols are supported (HTTP and HTTPS are common ones; I don't know if any support Gemini)
16:26:58 <zzo38> (Although, I don't like the writing protocol for Gemini; it adds the size and other parameters into the URL, although I think it would be better to add the size, MIME type, and token (separated by spaces, and the token is optional) on the next line after the URL. The token might be the hash of the previous version (in order to avoid edit conflicts); what the token does is implementation-dependent.)
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18:07:00 <arseniiv> it mentions wheels, good. Someday I’ll be able to decide for myself if they are good or bad
18:07:59 <arseniiv> without using something like them, we can’t really make arithmetic with ℝP, just Möbius transform it and nothing more
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18:10:21 <arseniiv> but whether wheels are sufficiently canonical a choice of extension to a field or a ring, and do they really generalize nicely — I’m afraid not so many people touched them to be sure
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18:15:07 <arseniiv> “nullity” definitely seems like a better name for the ultimate wheel element, and the notation Φ… maybe better than ⊥, which I’d prefer to not grow a number of homonyms of. Though I don’t understand why not for instance use ⊙
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19:27:50 <b_jonas> Sgeo: ℝP^n is the real projective space of n dimensions, so ℝP^1 is a projective line, ℝP^2 is a projective plane, etc
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21:56:47 <arseniiv> finally got to the end of writing a function to generate sound of the type I want, but now I’ll need to debug it first. Numpy doesn’t want to calculate with one of the arrays being zero-length (by design, sometimes it will end up that way)
22:00:00 <arseniiv> (I generate a spectrum from a bunch of gaussians, and when they are too narrow (10 sigmas ~ tens of samples) I use a costly method involving erf differences, and for wider gaussians I just sample the probability density, as it changes slowly in that case and the errors are small
22:00:36 <arseniiv> and when dividing the data into these two parts, one of them might end up empty)
22:02:42 <arseniiv> the erf method is essential as I may need to sample pure sines with this same method, and using PDF would end up in …0, 0, 0… in most cases instead of …0, 1, 0…
22:04:31 <arseniiv> I even confused myself immeasurably before, trying to use binomial distribution instead of erf differences. But it doesn’t allow changing sigma continuously, it only offers sigmas which end up in binomial parameter n = 0, 1, 2, 3, … which might be not enough
22:06:29 <arseniiv> though telling you this, I now note my pure sine case will be generated incorrectly: when the frequency of the sine lies between the frequencies representable in N samples exactly, then the spectrum would end up a sinc, and my method doesn’t give sinc, oohh :(
22:07:44 <arseniiv> erf differences correspond with integrating gaussian PDF with small rectangular windows, but I probably need sinc windows after all
22:08:37 <arseniiv> that’s too much hassle. Hopefully my quadruple oversampling and spectrums without sigmas that small will mask this inaccuracy
22:11:36 <arseniiv> which make frequency bins spaced closer and frequency errors smaller
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23:15:33 <esolangs> [[Timers]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85298&oldid=85146 * Rphii * (+1620) finally clarified timer rules
23:18:13 <esolangs> [[Timers]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85299&oldid=85298 * Rphii * (+96) /* Numbers */ add leading zero rule
23:20:10 <esolangs> [[Timers]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85300&oldid=85299 * Rphii * (-9) /* Examples */ make use of leading zero rule
23:27:36 <esolangs> [[Timers]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85301&oldid=85300 * Rphii * (+54) /* Commands */ fix logical issue with ! command & general clarification
23:29:01 <esolangs> [[Timers]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85302&oldid=85301 * Rphii * (-7) /* Examples */ make better use of the leading zero rule
23:35:27 <esolangs> [[Timers]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85303&oldid=85302 * Rphii * (+172) /* Examples */ add ascii table program
23:36:36 <esolangs> [[4BOD]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85304&oldid=83454 * Oshaboy * (+83) Added my reimplementation
23:37:06 <esolangs> [[4BOD]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85305&oldid=85304 * Oshaboy * (+6) Damn Formatting
23:39:18 <esolangs> [[V++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85306&oldid=85281 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-2) Fix tag
23:39:44 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85307&oldid=85295 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+10) /* V */ V++
23:51:29 <esolangs> [[Timers]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85308&oldid=85303 * Rphii * (+77) fix issue with timers rule
23:53:02 <esolangs> [[Timers]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85309&oldid=85308 * Rphii * (-12) /* Timers */ fix mess-up
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23:57:43 <esolangs> [[Sophie]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=85310 * Oshaboy * (+1948) Initial
23:59:27 <esolangs> [[Timers]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85311&oldid=85309 * Rphii * (-3) /* ASCII Table */ simplify