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01:17:45 <zzo38> Linux has a O_TMPFILE flag now, and then you can use linkat to add a name later if wanted, but it does not have a flag to allow linkat to overwrite an existing file, as far as I know.
01:18:50 <shachaf> Oh, interesting, that's a good point.
01:38:07 <nakilon> imagine such pastebin CLI that would just take the pipe, clipboard or params, ask you parameters and upload it to all the conforming pastebin services in parallel, printing the links to your terminal
01:38:40 <nakilon> the fastest one will be printed first, and then you can either wait for the rest or stop the CLI
01:39:21 <nakilon> or have a saved preference to upload only to the first one and copy it to clipboard, etc.
01:39:33 <zzo38> Are there some services that will identify the uploaded data by hash?
01:40:27 <nakilon> probably there are torrent/dc indexers
01:49:46 <zzo38> Both Git and Fossil will identify data by hash, although Git adds a header so that it is not the same as the direct hash of the file, but Fossil does use the raw file directly so the hash does match that of the direct hash of the file.
01:51:05 <nakilon> there is also my uploader that you dislike for using not enough reliable for 200000 years long usage hashing
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01:52:43 <b_jonas> zzo38: doesn't linkat always overwrites existing files, at least non-directory ones?
01:53:55 <zzo38> b_jonas: The documentation I saw says it doesn't. But whether it does or not, sometimes you might want it the other way.
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01:55:32 <b_jonas> zzo38: oh, you're right, only rename or renameat does that
01:56:18 <b_jonas> that's useful actually, it means you can use link then unlink to rename a file without overwriting the destination name; but link to temporary file then rename to overwrite the destination name
01:57:29 <b_jonas> I'll use it the next time I write a script that wants to rename without clobbering
03:09:49 <nakilon> weird, sprunge git repo says it's using pygments 1.6 but their 1.6 tag doesn't include ruby lexer while the syntax highlighting works
03:11:55 <nakilon> though it's pithon and so by default the dependency versions mess
03:12:41 <nakilon> there is even no lock file at all
03:14:45 <nakilon> people can't reach him https://github.com/rupa/sprunge/issues/48
03:31:26 <nakilon> there was a talk few months ago about mime types -- looks like pygments supposes there are mime types for languages, like this: https://github.com/pygments/pygments/blob/f0ff1bad7122f2604c54401b7ef1547bbeb4260f/pygments/lexers/ruby.py#L39
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03:45:33 <zzo38> Will they have IRC, Free Hero Mesh, X resource manager, ZIL, etc?
03:47:12 <zzo38> (Some formats have commands that can change the interpretation of the code during execution, so that the syntax highlighting won't work very well, such as PostScript and Forth.)
03:50:27 <nakilon> though github-linguist says: mime type: text/plain, language: Ruby
03:51:52 <nakilon> I guess the "internet strangers comments copypasta" would need a mime-type
03:52:18 <nakilon> that one for the clipboard standard format that no one will implement
03:56:05 <zzo38> Another consideration will be in some programming languages, which words are a keyword might depend on the context, e.g. in SQLite, some words are keywords in some contexts and plain words in other contexts. In the case of the words TRUE and FALSE, it depends on the database schema; they are keywords only if there aren't columns by those names.
04:02:02 <nakilon> as I understand the github-linguist uses this repo and this file to highlight befunge https://github.com/johanasplund/sublime-befunge/blob/master/Befunge-93.tmLanguage
04:03:09 <nakilon> might be a list of supported formats of grammar descriptions that are supported by linguist so I could make one for RASEL
04:04:42 <zzo38> There is also the consideration of character encodings.
04:08:03 <zzo38> I thought in befunge whether something is a command or a string depends on the execution?
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04:12:17 <nakilon> even without self-modification you can ram into a string from one of 4 directions in either string mode or not
04:12:48 <nakilon> and you can skip the string-mode instruction (") depending on a condition
04:14:11 <nakilon> fizzie you could probably add "bef" here or whatever is used commonly, you know better than me https://github.com/github/linguist/blob/16c70aef8cd62ca071231a380c69050f5e83c900/lib/linguist/languages.yml#L492
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05:21:48 <nakilon> there should a technology allowing to inject a vaccine to a server to make it immune to a virus
05:22:12 <nakilon> in some more literal way than updating an antivirus scan db
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10:26:05 <sknebel> TIL https://www.intercaloninterstates.org/examples.html
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15:12:43 <esolangs> [[Timers]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=85356&oldid=85355 * Rphii * (-264) shuffle around commands so that I can completely get rid of escape sequences
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16:08:15 <^[> nakilon: Is applying a patch to fix a vulnerability similar enough?
16:08:49 <^[> Arguably, updating an antivirus DB is a much closer metaphor to teaching the immune system to recognize a threat.
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16:09:32 <nakilon> via unnatural interface like a needle through a skin
16:11:46 <^[> sknebel: The name alone is hilarious.
16:12:15 <nakilon> something like crack but a different purpose
16:12:48 <myname> there actually were antivirus viruses in the past
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19:05:37 <zzo38> A book of philosophy of mathematics says, why should mathematics, but not astrology and theology, be included in the list of sciences? My own opinion is: It doesn't. None of the three are sciences; they are four different things.
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19:14:07 <^[> Although they're all different, math is a very useful tool for science, so it has a special place in that context, unlike the other two.
19:14:48 <^[> Due to the closeness of their relationship, many people like to add math to the list of sciences.
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20:02:33 <zzo38> Yes, it is a useful tool for science, and that is the argument given in the book, but that doesn't make it science, as far as I am concerned.
20:05:12 <myname> interesting. i only know the debate of whether mathematics should be considered natural science or humanities, but i wouldn't consider it not science. that may be a language thing
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20:23:35 <riv> there is the idea that it is more pure than science, you don't do experiements, you prove stuff instead of creating falsifiable theories
20:23:35 <zzo38> There can also be consideration of Platonism, etc
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20:23:55 <zzo38> riv: Yes, that is what I think it is too
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20:39:41 <^[> myname: What would be the argument for grouping it with the humanities?
20:39:47 <^[> That it's a branch of philosophy?
20:40:42 <myname> because it's more argumentative instead of experimental
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21:30:04 <^[> I generally think of math as a category separate from both the humanities and sciences, but it seems reasonable to group it with the former.
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