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01:13:19 <fizzie> Oog, what's happened to VS code's integrated terminal's font rendering? The letter positioning's gone all wonky. https://zem.fi/tmp/uu.png
01:13:24 <fizzie> It's like one of those ransom notices made from newspaper cuttings.
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01:14:09 <Hooloovoo> have you tried turning it off and back on again?
01:14:24 <fizzie> I did, though for an unrelated reason.
01:14:45 <Hooloovoo> I think I've seen things like that (on linux) when fonts/font rendering packages have upgraded
01:15:31 <fizzie> Also, when it's rendering red text, it's all right. It's only white text that's problematic.
01:16:24 <fizzie> In fact, explicitly white text is also fine. It's just the terminal's default colour that's off.
01:17:05 <fizzie> Maybe some sort of a hinting/subpixel thing that's disabled for coloured text.
01:18:29 <fizzie> I'd like it to use the same (bitmap) font I use everywhere else, anyway, I just haven't figured out how to refer to it.
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04:50:03 <zzo38> I have had problems getting some programs to use bitmap fonts in at least some cases, especially ones based on GTK. However, btmap fonts will sometimes work for some things in the program, but not others. (There are other things I also dislike about GTK; I think there are many problems with it.)
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06:47:33 <zzo38> Do you have PostScript font and encoding vector for PC character set?
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09:44:46 <fizzie> Yes, it's an Electron app, meaning using the Chromium renderer to wrap a webby thing. Still been giving it a chance recently. Hasn't felt noticeably laggy. From some poking around, sounds like not liking bitmap fonts could be a Chromium limitation maybe. The font's known by fontconfig, which is a good start, but it is also in the BDF format; not sure if it'd work any better if converted to
09:44:48 <fizzie> something more modern.
09:49:31 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86252&oldid=84687 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+1298) /* Add gemini:// to the recognised URI schemes */ new section
10:03:35 <esolangs> [[User:OrichalcumCosmonaut]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86253&oldid=86251 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+0) gemini Gemini
10:20:42 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86254&oldid=86252 * Fizzie * (+165) /* Add gemini:// to the recognised URI schemes */ Sure, why not.
10:45:30 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Community portal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86255&oldid=86254 * OrichalcumCosmonaut * (+233) /* Add gemini:// to the recognised URI schemes */ saying thanks
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13:22:16 <HackEso> olist https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1240.html: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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16:17:21 <wib_jonas> fungot, how deterministic are your implementations of set operations with respect to side effects of the hashing or comparison functions of the contained data types?
16:17:21 <fungot> wib_jonas: i'll probably ask you; i'd pick up a book on how to do
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16:19:09 <fizzie> A book on how to ask wib_jonas things.
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16:23:54 <wib_jonas> yeah, that's hard. even my family hasn't mastered it.
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17:40:43 <esolangs> [[Minim]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86259&oldid=86258 * KakkoiiChris * (+94) Filling out 'Values' subsection
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18:07:37 <b_jonas> ah good, we have #esolangs-blah now as the new version of freenode/#esoteric-blah
18:11:07 <b_jonas> you know about a floppy disk used as the save icon in software UIs, right. and you know how there are these antivirus softwares that use a shield icon to mean "you are protected". so I have two questions. 1. will those antivirus software now replace that icon with a facemask? and 2. what is the UI metaphor that is obsolete by the longest time? besides shields, arrows are another candidate.
18:13:59 <b_jonas> shields are also used as an icon for the toughness and loyalty stats on M:tG cards, but at least that's set in one of those mediaeval fantasy universes where guns haven't obsoleted human-powered weapons yet
18:21:51 <esolangs> [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86260&oldid=78163 * Rdococ * (-492)
18:22:17 <esolangs> [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86261&oldid=86260 * Rdococ * (+37)
18:26:42 <HackEso> #esoteric-blah blah blah. Blah blah, blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah!
18:29:26 <esolangs> [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86262&oldid=86261 * Rdococ * (+281)
18:34:15 <esolangs> [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86263&oldid=86262 * Rdococ * (+2) /* Computational class */
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18:55:42 <fizzie> Hmm, did I make HackEso join #esolangs-blah? I think I remember updating that when replicating the setup.
19:00:07 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86266&oldid=84490 * Rdococ * (-111) /* Related languages */ removed mindscrew
19:00:31 <riv> HackEso: Join #esolangs-blah
19:00:40 <riv> there, he is joined now
19:06:22 <Sgeo> The ZOWIE documentation has a typo
19:06:23 <Sgeo> "When a value is written into R7, the boolean negation of that value is written into R7: 1 if the value was 0, and 0 otherwise. Reading from R7 always offers the value 7.
19:06:39 <Sgeo> I think it should be "written into R8". R7 doesn't make sense there
19:06:43 <Sgeo> https://catseye.tc/view/ZOWIE/README.markdown
19:17:16 <keegan> b_jonas: shields are still used in combat
19:17:20 <keegan> haven't you ever been to a riot?
19:18:56 <keegan> here both the police and protesters/rioters use infantry formation and shield wall tactics
19:19:27 <keegan> also bows and arrows are not obsolete, they're commonly used for hunting still
19:21:33 <fizzie> I hear the city back home had hired some bowmen to cull the city-rabbit population a little.
19:21:55 <fizzie> Think they're feeling a little more comfortable with bows and arrows than firearms within the city limits.
19:32:17 <fizzie> On the topic of bitmap fonts, I replaced the BDF files with .otb files (that SFNT-based bitmap thing), and while they seem to work the same here in rxvt-unicode (and fontconfig-based tools in general), they're still not showing up in Chrome (and presumably VS Code). :/ Not sure how to debug that. Maybe I need to try Chromium and then poke around in the code.
19:35:58 <esolangs> [[Swapfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86267&oldid=86265 * Rdococ * (+14) /* Computational class */
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19:56:31 <b_jonas> keegan: they're not completely obsolete, sure\
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20:19:51 <esolangs> [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86274&oldid=86063 * Rdococ * (-67)
20:32:26 <esolangs> [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86275&oldid=86257 * Digital Hunter * (+65) /* Quine */ a shorter one
20:35:46 <fizzie> Aw. The font in question works in Firefox, but not in Chromium or Chrome. So I guess it's definitely the browser to blame then.
20:37:37 <esolangs> [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86276&oldid=86275 * Digital Hunter * (-715) /* Quine */ that revision's comment was wrong, but I forgot what the procedure for dealing with that is. Instead, I just put an actual shorter one here
20:40:40 <esolangs> [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86277&oldid=86276 * Digital Hunter * (+3) /* Finite loop */
20:42:07 <esolangs> [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86278&oldid=86277 * Digital Hunter * (+0) /* Finite loop */
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21:27:58 <fizzie> Hmm. I think it might boil down to https://codereview.chromium.org/401303002 "Require that FC_SCALABLE is true in Fontconfig queries (matching Blink) --", but attempting to build a copy of Chromium to confirm that feels overwhelming. Especially since I don't really care whether it will work in a browser or not.
21:28:14 <fizzie> Maybe there's a fontconfig way of just forcing it to treat it as a scalable font.
21:31:38 <fizzie> Okay, there is (at least, it makes `fc-match -v` report it as "scalable: True(w)"), but it's not sufficient to make it start to actually work.
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22:40:47 <nakilon> I wonder how long does it take chromium to compile today
22:40:55 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Xorol * New user account
22:41:25 <nakilon> was 2,5h on a server in 2013, on previous engine
22:42:05 <nakilon> btw, guys, people from all different countries
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22:47:37 <nakilon> the USSR was a home for many many different nations, that were very different in culture, religion, level of education, etc.; some of difficult nations are living around Caucasus Mountains; to survive in WW2 Stalin was applying different preventive measures of migration
22:49:45 <nakilon> such as sending the criminals to the east, far from the border where the war is going to come to; also he decided to send out some whole nations because they mostly were pretty much unreliable and could even become a nazi collaborationsists
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22:52:38 <nakilon> so among the nations that were massively forcefully migrated there were Chechens -- those people live without law, they just stab you in the back if they don't like you, they lived in those mountains, and when the war was over and they had to come back...
22:55:52 <nakilon> someone fucked up this process and decades after that several small nations there started arguing about the territory, and they are used to solve the problems only via a fight; that's how the Chechen war started when Russia decided to intervent 'since it was it's subrepublic or something like that
22:56:14 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86280&oldid=86248 * Xorol * (+111)
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23:03:50 <nakilon> Chechens started making terroristic acts in Russia, blowing up buildings, metro, cinema, etc.; they wear a specific kind of beard to mak people know that "we are Chechens, we are above the law", they don't attend the university because teaching and working hard is against their culture, etc.
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23:06:16 <nakilon> I tell this because I know you don't know it, and when people hear about Chechen problem in Russia they don't really understand what it is and make some wrong parallels with other countries and their problems
23:12:35 <nakilon> the thing is that the Chechen war is over, the terroristic organizations are wiped out by Putin but Moscow and some other big cities are full of Chechens and they all do criminal; they are about 10% of population on streets, and they are above the law
23:14:51 <nakilon> since they don't study and absolutely can't behave they only earn money from crime and sometimes working at stores; and for example, today one such Chechen store worker attacked me, tried to push me out of store and beat me up
23:16:06 <nakilon> the thing is that if that was a Russian guy people would call the police and he would pay for that, but Chechens are allowed to do that; no one called police and even if police comes, they just get bribed and that's it
23:16:23 <oerjan> nakilon: i know there were chechen terrorists, i remember beslan which of course shocked me. however, as a westerner i am suspicious how much you know from personal knowledge and how much you believe because you believe putin propaganda. i don't believe _putin_ at all, of course. i figure any politician who suppresses opposotion or journalism should be considered guilty of all crimes by default.
23:16:46 <nakilon> > how much you know from personal knowledge
23:16:53 <nakilon> I lieve among these people
23:18:02 <nakilon> I don't care how much bullshit you've being fed by your mass media
23:18:33 <nakilon> I just wanted to ask if there are similar national minorities in other countries that are above the law
23:19:29 <oerjan> i actually started reading a lot less news about early 2016 (which in retrospect seems the perfect time to have done so)
23:20:01 <nakilon> try reading sources instead of news
23:20:23 <nakilon> and not emigrants or neonazis
23:22:21 <oerjan> i don't think there are many chechens in norway, which may be fortunate
23:22:43 <oerjan> and i don't recall any minority that's above the law here.
23:23:49 <oerjan> ...i just realize my first message did exactly what i accused you of possibly doing. sorry.
23:24:10 <oerjan> that's how reality bubbles work, i guess.
23:24:31 <nakilon> I'm used to russophobia in all its forms
23:24:45 <nakilon> one of them is demonizing the %current_presider/leader%
23:25:47 <oerjan> i admit that is one of my prejudices against russians, you're _horrible_ at getting good leaders.
23:25:58 <esolangs> [[Versert]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86281&oldid=19010 * Back * (+1649)
23:26:20 <oerjan> of course there are many other countries who are competing at that
23:28:40 <oerjan> i used to think about a decade ago that the one thing china seemed to be getting right, was having strict time limits for leaders. and then Xi got them repealed...
23:28:55 <nakilon> I want call leaders bad who converted the (feodal?) Imperia to an absolutely organized multinational country being leader in many technologies in just 30 years
23:29:27 <nakilon> and no matter how much you read about "gulag" and stuff in fact I tell you that none of my family members were opressed, maybe because they just wre not criminals
23:29:36 <oerjan> (well the one pure political thing. they did get economy right too)
23:30:52 <nakilon> there are too many lies such as people were starving because of Stalin while in fact it was just bad harvest and it can happen anywhere
23:31:23 <esolangs> [[Tock]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=86282 * Silver * (+4041) page created
23:32:01 <nakilon> there is just a ton of fakes about china today too on reddit; people are literally made the website that calls itself a "homepage of internet" a place to spread hate towards two nations
23:32:31 <nakilon> https://imgur.com/a/i6FlRRa
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23:33:25 <nakilon> yeah my question wasn't about politics, it was just a historical explanation of a local culture problem
23:33:27 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86283&oldid=86213 * Silver * (+11) added link to Tock
23:33:59 <esolangs> [[User:Silver]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86284&oldid=71258 * Silver * (+11) added link to Tock
23:34:25 <oerjan> nakilon: that imgur is you trolling and someone taking the bait trolling back. i don't see how that proves anything.
23:34:58 <nakilon> I like Norway btw, it's beautiful from what I see on youtube
23:35:09 <oerjan> you were basically _asking_ for someone to do that.
23:36:01 <nakilon> and I've read about Norway immigration on wikiepdia -- it shows that numbers are growing fast while there are only like 4 millions of Norwegians, I'm very afraid about your country
23:36:56 <nakilon> oerjan that screenshot shows the hate comment and the reddit administration verdict that it isn't
23:37:34 <oerjan> oh i see. i should keep reading.
23:38:32 <oerjan> well, i agree with the administration verdict because of the thing i said before reading it.
23:39:24 <oerjan> it was a joke in response to you basically claiming someone would want to do that.
23:40:27 <esolangs> [[Versert]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86285&oldid=86281 * Back * (+1818)
23:44:06 <esolangs> [[Versert]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=86286&oldid=86285 * Back * (+458)
23:52:42 <oerjan> nakilon: anyway in a higher perspective i think basically all humans are stuck believing things some things that are deeply wrong, whether they are norwegians, chechens, russians, chinese or americans (of either the trumpist or woke extreme, or in between), and that this causes them to misinterpret others who have _different_ sets of wrong beliefs. of course i cannot be sure what _my_ fundamentally
23:52:48 <oerjan> wrong beliefs are, but logically they must exist.
23:53:35 <oerjan> and also logically, i shouldn't necessarily trust others on what they are :P
23:53:45 <nakilon> I heard there is a trick how to know if some stuff is worth buying
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23:55:08 <nakilon> instead of reading the article written for money you read what people write, by adding "is shit" or "sucks", like google "iphone sucks" to find if there is somethuing untold about it
23:55:54 <nakilon> in case of articles about countries you don't live in just take a look what can be lied in the articles about them
23:56:48 <nakilon> once you find a hundreds of debunking you should understand "this media lies" and that's it"
23:57:12 <nakilon> if there are a hundred of lieing medias then "someone pays for it", etc.
23:58:52 <oerjan> i use the opposite trick of never buying anything hth
23:59:30 <nakilon> or just ask yourself why the hell Engilsh internet is producing tons of shit about Russian history 24/7 to feed it to their english readers, while no one in Russia produces shit about American history -- there is no point in it unless it's just your ultimate goal -- to grow a hate